Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:34
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Which country? On what basis?
Why haven't all the people trying to enter the US illegally just...applied for dual citizenship, since it's so easy.
Yes, I know about it - the country is one with citizenship by bloodline decent(Italy), and I happen to have the right family history (and all the documents) to have my Italian citizenship recognized. It's not the easiest thing to do, though, so I wasn't going to so it. But I've decided now is the time.
Oops... I meant bloodline "descent", not "decent".
In Italian it is called "jure sanguinis" (the right of blood)
Curious how you feel about Jews moving to Israel on the basis of "blood".
Me? Why would I have an opinion on that? And even if I did (which I do not) why would anyone care?
Not you specifically, but since this thread has people saying that they're going to obtain dual citizenship based on their ancestry, they should be okay with diaspora Jews' "right of return" to Israel.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:34
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Do you know anything about how to do this?
You don't just "apply for dual citizenship with another country" for your children.
Most, if not all, civilized 1st world countries have rigid citizenship eligibility requirements that include having multiple years of residency within the country already under your belt. We're discussing a complex concept with people that thought it was wise to elect Trump and Biden so this could take a while.
The ignorance and arrogance I'm seeing here is breathtaking. "I'm just gonna apply for dual citizenship! I have monies for invest!"
Nobody said that. You guys are arguing with a concept that only exists in your own mind. Many countries offer citizenship if you can prove close family heritage OR you can also buy a citizenship with enough money.
You cannot "buy a citizenship" anywhere. Yes, there are ways to live in another country if you have enough money. But many of them, Portugal for example, are changing their rules because Americans have abused them. And countries do not "offer citizenship" based on heritage. You still must apply for it.
Like I said, ignorance and arrogance. As American as apple pie.
Oh ffs the original poster in this chain said they were applying for citizenship. No one thinks it happens without application. You're just embarrassed because you tried to call them out and they knew what they were talking about.
-NP
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:34
Subject: How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:I have a 17yo son and I’m terrified there will be a draft.
Maybe man up?
Our fathers and grandfathers had to do this. This generation is soft.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:32
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Do you know anything about how to do this?
You don't just "apply for dual citizenship with another country" for your children.
Most, if not all, civilized 1st world countries have rigid citizenship eligibility requirements that include having multiple years of residency within the country already under your belt. We're discussing a complex concept with people that thought it was wise to elect Trump and Biden so this could take a while.
The ignorance and arrogance I'm seeing here is breathtaking. "I'm just gonna apply for dual citizenship! I have monies for invest!"
Nobody said that. You guys are arguing with a concept that only exists in your own mind. Many countries offer citizenship if you can prove close family heritage OR you can also buy a citizenship with enough money.
You cannot "buy a citizenship" anywhere. Yes, there are ways to live in another country if you have enough money. But many of them, Portugal for example, are changing their rules because Americans have abused them. And countries do not "offer citizenship" based on heritage. You still must apply for it.
Like I said, ignorance and arrogance. As American as apple pie.
Wouldn’t the truly arrogant and ignorant person be the one who is denying reality while calling other people names?
Please explain this website:
https://www.goldenvisas.com/country
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:31
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Do you know anything about how to do this?
You don't just "apply for dual citizenship with another country" for your children.
Most, if not all, civilized 1st world countries have rigid citizenship eligibility requirements that include having multiple years of residency within the country already under your belt. We're discussing a complex concept with people that thought it was wise to elect Trump and Biden so this could take a while.
The ignorance and arrogance I'm seeing here is breathtaking. "I'm just gonna apply for dual citizenship! I have monies for invest!"
Nobody said that. You guys are arguing with a concept that only exists in your own mind. Many countries offer citizenship if you can prove close family heritage OR you can also buy a citizenship with enough money.
Okay, so yea, if your parents or grandparents were/are citizens of another country, dual citizenship can be obtained in a relatively short period of time in many places. Otherwise, plan on several years of effort to obtain citizenship in 1st world countries. The vast majority of people that would consider a permanent move to another country and have the means to make that transition aren't 1st or second generation Americans.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:28
Subject: How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I do think it's true most of the country doesn't understand how bad this is. Even most Democrats. And that's part of what is so scary.
Yep. Everyone I talk to thinks I’m reading crazy conspiracy $hit when I simply inform them of what’s really happening everyday. They have no idea.
its like when I tell people about the OPT program. created without a vote. to help business replace US workers with cheap foreign labor. no one believes it.
but Democrats have been expanding it for years. (with republicans help but republicans have always been evil, it is democrats who should be helping the working class first).
inhumane to US workers. Obama quadrupled the number of workers under OPT visas by expanding the job titles.
The troubling fact is that the OPT program was created entirely through regulation with no authorization from Congress whatsoever. It has been going on for so long, that many people assume that Congress authorized OPT when in fact, Congress has explicitly changed the law to prohibit it.
Here is a history of how OPT came about. In reading this history, keep in mind that the regulations described here employ the euphemism "practical training" to refer to work.
In 2007, Microsoft concocted a scheme to use OPT as a means to circumvent the H-1B quotas. Microsoft's plan was to extend the duration of OPT from a year to 29-months, so that the duration would be sufficient to serve as a guestworker program, rather than just an internship-type program. Microsoft proposed this scheme to the Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff at a dinner party at the home of the owner of the Washington Nationals baseball team. (See pp. 229-230 in my book Sold Out, co-authored with Michelle Malkin.) From there, DHS worked in absolute secrecy with industry lobbyists to craft regulations implementing Microsoft's plan.
In a classic example of Washington cronyism, the first notice that DHS was even considering such regulations came when they were promulgated as a fait accompli, without notice and comment, on April 8, 2008 (73 Fed. Reg. 18,944). These regulations made three major expansions to OPT. First, they allowed aliens to remain in student visa status while they were unemployed so they could look for work. Second, they allowed aliens working under OPT to remain in student visa status from the time an H-1B petition was filed on their behalf until a final decision was made on the petition or the start date. This adds a maximum of 6 months to the OPT duration. Finally, they authorized a 17-month work period for aliens with degrees in fields DHS designates at Science/Technology/Engineering/Mathematics (STEM). This gave a maximum OPT duration of 35 months.
The OPT program has been the subject of continuous litigation since then where, after nearly a decade, the federal courts have been unable to come to a decision on whether it is lawful. However in 2015, the D.C. District Court held that the 2008 OPT regulations had been promulgated unlawfully without notice and comment. In response to this opinion, DHS promulgated new regulations that did the same as the old regulations except that they expanded the STEM work period from 17 months to 24 months, giving a maximum OPT work period of 42 months (24+12+6).
OPT is an example of the administrative state run amok. Instead of law coming from Congress, we have law coming from bureaucrats working hand-in-hand with lobbyists. OPT also illustrates the slippery-slope problem of regulation. Work on student visas started innocently as an integral part of a course of study to give foreign students an experience not available in their home country, but eventually was transformed into a full-blown guestworker program whose stated purpose is to provide labor to American business.
https://cis.org/Report/History-Optional-Practical-Training-Guestworker-Program
To make matters worse, a federal court has decided that the government does have the power to exempt OPT workers from Social Security and Medicare taxes, making it even cheaper for employers to hire them.
Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company
About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace
Just one example out of thousands of Deep State and waste in the federal government.
Great info and ITA. But.. currently message this administration is sending is job cuts, not job creation. Government was the only employer unable to hire foreign workers or outsourcing of its functions offshore. All of these people being let go as a result of rifting federal agencies are American citizens... Now, if these jobs still need to be done but become privatized, what do you think will happen? Shouldn't MAGA know that many many thousands of American jobs will then be replaced with H1Bs or other foreign visa workers? There was a huge sh** storm on X regarding H1Bs already and a lot of it came from the Trump supporters.. So.. I think there is a way for people to join hands on this one and look beyond ideology. And some MAGA are already outspoken about federal agencies employees being Americans and warning other to stop gloating and thinking somehow this will end their problems if current administration doesn't switch its focus from cutting jobs of the American citizens to creating more of them..
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:28
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Which country? On what basis?
Why haven't all the people trying to enter the US illegally just...applied for dual citizenship, since it's so easy.
Yes, I know about it - the country is one with citizenship by bloodline decent(Italy), and I happen to have the right family history (and all the documents) to have my Italian citizenship recognized. It's not the easiest thing to do, though, so I wasn't going to so it. But I've decided now is the time.
Oops... I meant bloodline "descent", not "decent".
In Italian it is called "jure sanguinis" (the right of blood)
Curious how you feel about Jews moving to Israel on the basis of "blood".
Me? Why would I have an opinion on that? And even if I did (which I do not) why would anyone care?
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:26
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Which country? On what basis?
Why haven't all the people trying to enter the US illegally just...applied for dual citizenship, since it's so easy.
Yes, I know about it - the country is one with citizenship by bloodline decent(Italy), and I happen to have the right family history (and all the documents) to have my Italian citizenship recognized. It's not the easiest thing to do, though, so I wasn't going to so it. But I've decided now is the time.
Oops... I meant bloodline "descent", not "decent".
In Italian it is called "jure sanguinis" (the right of blood)
Curious how you feel about Jews moving to Israel on the basis of "blood".
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:23
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Do you know anything about how to do this?
You don't just "apply for dual citizenship with another country" for your children.
Most, if not all, civilized 1st world countries have rigid citizenship eligibility requirements that include having multiple years of residency within the country already under your belt. We're discussing a complex concept with people that thought it was wise to elect Trump and Biden so this could take a while.
The ignorance and arrogance I'm seeing here is breathtaking. "I'm just gonna apply for dual citizenship! I have monies for invest!"
Nobody said that. You guys are arguing with a concept that only exists in your own mind. Many countries offer citizenship if you can prove close family heritage OR you can also buy a citizenship with enough money.
You cannot "buy a citizenship" anywhere. Yes, there are ways to live in another country if you have enough money. But many of them, Portugal for example, are changing their rules because Americans have abused them. And countries do not "offer citizenship" based on heritage. You still must apply for it.
Like I said, ignorance and arrogance. As American as apple pie.
Spain was giving it away with any $500,000 plus real estate purchase not too long ago. Could still be in effect.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:21
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Do you know anything about how to do this?
You don't just "apply for dual citizenship with another country" for your children.
Lots of us qualify for citizenship through ancestry. Italian citizenship with ancestry takes about 2 years but if you are willing to live in the areas hard hit by population decrease, it can be faster.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:21
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Do you know anything about how to do this?
You don't just "apply for dual citizenship with another country" for your children.
Most, if not all, civilized 1st world countries have rigid citizenship eligibility requirements that include having multiple years of residency within the country already under your belt. We're discussing a complex concept with people that thought it was wise to elect Trump and Biden so this could take a while.
The ignorance and arrogance I'm seeing here is breathtaking. "I'm just gonna apply for dual citizenship! I have monies for invest!"
Nobody said that. You guys are arguing with a concept that only exists in your own mind. Many countries offer citizenship if you can prove close family heritage OR you can also buy a citizenship with enough money.
You cannot "buy a citizenship" anywhere. Yes, there are ways to live in another country if you have enough money. But many of them, Portugal for example, are changing their rules because Americans have abused them. And countries do not "offer citizenship" based on heritage. You still must apply for it.
Like I said, ignorance and arrogance. As American as apple pie.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:20
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Which country? On what basis?
Why haven't all the people trying to enter the US illegally just...applied for dual citizenship, since it's so easy.
Yes, I know about it - the country is one with citizenship by bloodline decent(Italy), and I happen to have the right family history (and all the documents) to have my Italian citizenship recognized. It's not the easiest thing to do, though, so I wasn't going to so it. But I've decided now is the time.
Oops... I meant bloodline "descent", not "decent".
In Italian it is called "jure sanguinis" (the right of blood)
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:18
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:
Why haven't all the people trying to enter the US illegally just...applied for dual citizenship, since it's so easy.
It's not easy to apply for dual citizenship with the US, if you weren't born here, because we have birthright citizenship (at least so far). You need to be born on US soil to be a US citizen (unless certain exceptions...)
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:17
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Do you know anything about how to do this?
You don't just "apply for dual citizenship with another country" for your children.
Most, if not all, civilized 1st world countries have rigid citizenship eligibility requirements that include having multiple years of residency within the country already under your belt. We're discussing a complex concept with people that thought it was wise to elect Trump and Biden so this could take a while.
The ignorance and arrogance I'm seeing here is breathtaking. "I'm just gonna apply for dual citizenship! I have monies for invest!"
Nobody said that. You guys are arguing with a concept that only exists in your own mind. Many countries offer citizenship if you can prove close family heritage OR you can also buy a citizenship with enough money.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 18:15
Subject: Re:How can we prepare our children for the coming storm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've decided to apply for dual citizenship with another country, not for myself, but for my children. They need to have options.
Which country? On what basis?
Why haven't all the people trying to enter the US illegally just...applied for dual citizenship, since it's so easy.
Yes, I know about it - the country is one with citizenship by bloodline decent (Italy), and I happen to have the right family history (and all the documents) to have my Italian citizenship recognized. It's not the easiest thing to do, though, so I wasn't going to so it. But I've decided now is the time.