Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:30     Subject: Re:New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just to be clear, I don’t even mind the idea of being in the office so much. I can live with RTO. What is making me absolutely crazy is the hostility. For example, suggesting that we just haven’t been showing up since Covid. First, my office has had some telework for more than 20 years so if we are getting rid of it entirely that’s really taking us back to the dark ages. Second, we’ve had pretty liberal telework since Covid but that’s because the office went through a whole analysis and concluded that’s what made sense and we were told we could telework. We weren’t awol. We were following instructions. So, fine, change the policy but don’t make it sound like we’ve been disobedient children.

Voight says he wants us to feel trauma and well I guess I am. I feel incredibly insulted after working hard for the govt for years.

The crazy thing is that in his testimony last week he praised the civil servants he worked with when he was last at OMB. I totally don’t get why he is making a statement like that on the one hand, and saying he wants to inflict trauma on civil servants on the other.


Yes. It is really sad. I am so sad. I have worked hard for 20 years and to be treated with such utter disrespect and vitriol is awful. We are emergency responders and step up during times of need so this is a really crappy feeling.


I feel the same way.


I’m honestly so sad. Not about RTO. I thought we might be back more even under Harris, but sad about the contempt and ignorance about government and its workers. Are there some duds? Absolutely. I haven’t had to deal with HR much but I understand it’s ridiculous. But I’ve dealt with 100s of agency staff on issues of substance and approx 60 percent are excellent, 20 percent good, 15 fair and maybe 5 percent I think are not good. People work weekends, long hours, on vacation…


Yes we put in long hours. During COVID the crew of us who were online until midnight after our kids went to bed. Coming in to work on holidays because we had briefs due. I've had over a decade straight of Outstanding ratings.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:29     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:This is part of what it means to Make America Great Again. Back in the days when America was great, there was no telework, no remote work. The government did fine.


No it wasn’t fine.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:27     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:I was going to postpone visiting my mom in California to try to ensure that I got discovery responses out, but F that, California trip is on!


Stay there. Good riddance.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:26     Subject: Re:New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just to be clear, I don’t even mind the idea of being in the office so much. I can live with RTO. What is making me absolutely crazy is the hostility. For example, suggesting that we just haven’t been showing up since Covid. First, my office has had some telework for more than 20 years so if we are getting rid of it entirely that’s really taking us back to the dark ages. Second, we’ve had pretty liberal telework since Covid but that’s because the office went through a whole analysis and concluded that’s what made sense and we were told we could telework. We weren’t awol. We were following instructions. So, fine, change the policy but don’t make it sound like we’ve been disobedient children.

Voight says he wants us to feel trauma and well I guess I am. I feel incredibly insulted after working hard for the govt for years.

The crazy thing is that in his testimony last week he praised the civil servants he worked with when he was last at OMB. I totally don’t get why he is making a statement like that on the one hand, and saying he wants to inflict trauma on civil servants on the other.


Yes. It is really sad. I am so sad. I have worked hard for 20 years and to be treated with such utter disrespect and vitriol is awful. We are emergency responders and step up during times of need so this is a really crappy feeling.


I feel the same way.


I’m honestly so sad. Not about RTO. I thought we might be back more even under Harris, but sad about the contempt and ignorance about government and its workers. Are there some duds? Absolutely. I haven’t had to deal with HR much but I understand it’s ridiculous. But I’ve dealt with 100s of agency staff on issues of substance and approx 60 percent are excellent, 20 percent good, 15 fair and maybe 5 percent I think are not good. People work weekends, long hours, on vacation…
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:25     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So basically if I can’t be in person for a mtg, a call, anything—I have to take leave?!? This isn’t sustainable for working parents. Goodbye govt. it was nice knowing you. This is way worse than I expected. Five days in the office sure. But the complete removal of ad hoc TW. Absolutely not



Where did it say that? It said no telework ever?


I'm wondering this as well. Where does it say that?


Do you have a medical reason, disability or an otherwise compelling reason certified by your agency that allows for situational TW? Then you can’t TW even ad-hoc. Read.


Yep that's what I read. And the part about "other compelling reasons" is big enough to drive a truck through. I'm not defending these a$$ hats by any means, but I don't think all is lost where situational telework is concerned. People need to take a breath and wait to see how their individual heads of agency are going to interpret this.


Certified by your agency. These ppl aren’t going to certify recurring situational TW bc you have a drs appt midday and want to TW after instead of taking leave. There will be a very high bar set for that compelling reason.


Situational telework for weather will almost certainly be certified by the agency. Why not other things that OPM has traditionally defined as situational telework? Like teleworking after a doctor's appt. Take a breath and wait and see.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:23     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

I was going to postpone visiting my mom in California to try to ensure that I got discovery responses out, but F that, California trip is on!
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:23     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So basically if I can’t be in person for a mtg, a call, anything—I have to take leave?!? This isn’t sustainable for working parents. Goodbye govt. it was nice knowing you. This is way worse than I expected. Five days in the office sure. But the complete removal of ad hoc TW. Absolutely not



Where did it say that? It said no telework ever?


I'm wondering this as well. Where does it say that?


Do you have a medical reason, disability or an otherwise compelling reason certified by your agency that allows for situational TW? Then you can’t TW even ad-hoc. Read.


Yep that's what I read. And the part about "other compelling reasons" is big enough to drive a truck through. I'm not defending these a$$ hats by any means, but I don't think all is lost where situational telework is concerned. People need to take a breath and wait to see how their individual heads of agency are going to interpret this.


Certified by your agency. These ppl aren’t going to certify recurring situational TW bc you have a drs appt midday and want to TW after instead of taking leave. There will be a very high bar set for that compelling reason.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:23     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is written like a poorly researched and written high school report, not Federal policy. Wow.


you are incorrect.

You are a waste of air.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:22     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:This is part of what it means to Make America Great Again. Back in the days when America was great, there was no telework, no remote work. The government did fine.


Oh I pray you get what’s coming for you.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:21     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So basically if I can’t be in person for a mtg, a call, anything—I have to take leave?!? This isn’t sustainable for working parents. Goodbye govt. it was nice knowing you. This is way worse than I expected. Five days in the office sure. But the complete removal of ad hoc TW. Absolutely not



Where did it say that? It said no telework ever?


I'm wondering this as well. Where does it say that?


Do you have a medical reason, disability or an otherwise compelling reason certified by your agency that allows for situational TW? Then you can’t TW even ad-hoc. Read.


Yep that's what I read. And the part about "other compelling reasons" is big enough to drive a truck through. I'm not defending these a$$ hats by any means, but I don't think all is lost where situational telework is concerned. People need to take a breath and wait to see how their individual heads of agency are going to interpret this.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:21     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:This is part of what it means to Make America Great Again. Back in the days when America was great, there was no telework, no remote work. The government did fine.


Sure but the rest of the world functions in the 21st century. The problem with this is that this will mainly impact non-CBA employees who are generally in leadership like at the GS14/15 levels often logging back on in the evenings to wrap up late breaking items or keeping things moving in off core hours. Now the work stops.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:18     Subject: Re:New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just to be clear, I don’t even mind the idea of being in the office so much. I can live with RTO. What is making me absolutely crazy is the hostility. For example, suggesting that we just haven’t been showing up since Covid. First, my office has had some telework for more than 20 years so if we are getting rid of it entirely that’s really taking us back to the dark ages. Second, we’ve had pretty liberal telework since Covid but that’s because the office went through a whole analysis and concluded that’s what made sense and we were told we could telework. We weren’t awol. We were following instructions. So, fine, change the policy but don’t make it sound like we’ve been disobedient children.

Voight says he wants us to feel trauma and well I guess I am. I feel incredibly insulted after working hard for the govt for years.

The crazy thing is that in his testimony last week he praised the civil servants he worked with when he was last at OMB. I totally don’t get why he is making a statement like that on the one hand, and saying he wants to inflict trauma on civil servants on the other.


Yes. It is really sad. I am so sad. I have worked hard for 20 years and to be treated with such utter disrespect and vitriol is awful. We are emergency responders and step up during times of need so this is a really crappy feeling.


I feel the same way.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:18     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:Thank god for collective bargaining agreements.


How are these going to matter? I thought none of them actually guarantee telework. Ours only says “up to” 8 days a pay period.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:18     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So basically if I can’t be in person for a mtg, a call, anything—I have to take leave?!? This isn’t sustainable for working parents. Goodbye govt. it was nice knowing you. This is way worse than I expected. Five days in the office sure. But the complete removal of ad hoc TW. Absolutely not



Where did it say that? It said no telework ever?


I'm wondering this as well. Where does it say that?


Do you have a medical reason, disability or an otherwise compelling reason certified by your agency that allows for situational TW? Then you can’t TW even ad-hoc. Read.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2025 23:17     Subject: New OPM memo on RTO

This is part of what it means to Make America Great Again. Back in the days when America was great, there was no telework, no remote work. The government did fine.