Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 16:54     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harris was one of Obama's earliest supporters and she literally went door to door for him in Iowa in 2007/2008.

I don't believe the OP for a second.


My take on this is that Obama doesn't believe she's not suitable for the role it's that she's not electable by the US population.
Just like Hillary was more than qualified for the position as is Harris. If this country was not ready to elect a white female for president they sure as f*** weren't going to elect a black female for president.


Ok, but WHY is Obama even in the position of having that much influence at all? This is the issue. He’s not a king. Or the party boss. Or shadowy godfather figure. The guy needs to find a hobby and GO AWAY.

..im sure you say the same about Trump who undermined immigration legislation and talked with foreign heads of gov


Who CARES grow UP. Jesus! Most of you dimwitted up your rectums Democrats can’t stop squawking about how Trump followers are cultist idiots incapable of looking at him rationally - while also nattering on about how we have the cool celebs and damn isn't Barack cool and why won't Saint Michelle deign to run? It's mortifying. So many Ds are like b!!!hy teenagers who yearn to worship their leaders. Why? It's more similar than not.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 16:30     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Obamas, and also Oprah, are simply WASHED UP. Nobody believes these grifters, they don’t move the needle. They’re just ridiculously out of touch and phony.

Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 14:53     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harris was one of Obama's earliest supporters and she literally went door to door for him in Iowa in 2007/2008.

I don't believe the OP for a second.


My take on this is that Obama doesn't believe she's not suitable for the role it's that she's not electable by the US population.
Just like Hillary was more than qualified for the position as is Harris. If this country was not ready to elect a white female for president they sure as f*** weren't going to elect a black female for president.


Ok, but WHY is Obama even in the position of having that much influence at all? This is the issue. He’s not a king. Or the party boss. Or shadowy godfather figure. The guy needs to find a hobby and GO AWAY.

..im sure you say the same about Trump who undermined immigration legislation and talked with foreign heads of gov


NP. Point noted, but it's a different situation. Trump was running for president again. Obama, thankfully, can never hold that office again.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 14:42     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harris was one of Obama's earliest supporters and she literally went door to door for him in Iowa in 2007/2008.

I don't believe the OP for a second.


My take on this is that Obama doesn't believe she's not suitable for the role it's that she's not electable by the US population.
Just like Hillary was more than qualified for the position as is Harris. If this country was not ready to elect a white female for president they sure as f*** weren't going to elect a black female for president.


Ok, but WHY is Obama even in the position of having that much influence at all? This is the issue. He’s not a king. Or the party boss. Or shadowy godfather figure. The guy needs to find a hobby and GO AWAY.

..im sure you say the same about Trump who undermined immigration legislation and talked with foreign heads of gov
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 14:32     Subject: Re:“Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It bothers me that she said "nothing comes to mind" when asked if she would do things differently than Biden. "Nothing comes to mind" makes a person sound like there is nothing in their mind--in a job interview you would never want to say it in answer to a question. If you didn't have an answer you would deflect.

It COULD have been an opportunity to focus on accomplishments of the Biden administration--maybe infrastructure funding that has gone to a red state that has started a highway project. Maybe the US -China trade deficit having gone to the lowest since 2010. Maybe to the work with Mexico to reduce arrivals at the border. And she could have articulated a focus on how she wanted to approach Ukraine or Gaza in a way that would not undermine her current boss but still carve out something unique to her. Certainly she would have known the question would be asked.

Obama did worry after the 2016 election that it showed backlash, and I suspect if he didn't want her as a candidate it was because that backlash hadn't gone away. It's kinda too bad she didn't stay in the Senate, I think she could have become a prominent Senator.


She couldn't answer the question because literally any answer she gave would have angered some faction of the Democratic party. That's the reason she spoke in such vapid platitudes, to avoid offending anyone. The only issue she was able to speak decisively about was abortion because they've already purged any moderates on that issue from the party.


I'm the PP and thought about this more...
infrastructure funding for highway projects: "Car-centered expansion induces demand for more driving, increasing greenhouse gas emissions. That funding should have been used to promote cycling and other non-car modes"
US-China trade deficit: "The word deficit connotes negativity and is a protectionist trope. When one country grows wealthier it benefits the globe"
Reducing arrivals at the border: "Whatever happened to "Give me your tired, your poor?" Welcoming newcomers is who we are"
Ukraine: Any peace terms she could come up with would be accused of shifting the power in Russia's favor
Gaza: Not even touching that
Do you see? In the age of instant-response social media and exquisite sensitivity Democrats can't take stances. Republicans tolerate a lot more dissent and individualism.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 14:15     Subject: Re:“Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It bothers me that she said "nothing comes to mind" when asked if she would do things differently than Biden. "Nothing comes to mind" makes a person sound like there is nothing in their mind--in a job interview you would never want to say it in answer to a question. If you didn't have an answer you would deflect.

It COULD have been an opportunity to focus on accomplishments of the Biden administration--maybe infrastructure funding that has gone to a red state that has started a highway project. Maybe the US -China trade deficit having gone to the lowest since 2010. Maybe to the work with Mexico to reduce arrivals at the border. And she could have articulated a focus on how she wanted to approach Ukraine or Gaza in a way that would not undermine her current boss but still carve out something unique to her. Certainly she would have known the question would be asked.

Obama did worry after the 2016 election that it showed backlash, and I suspect if he didn't want her as a candidate it was because that backlash hadn't gone away. It's kinda too bad she didn't stay in the Senate, I think she could have become a prominent Senator.


She couldn't answer the question because literally any answer she gave would have angered some faction of the Democratic party. That's the reason she spoke in such vapid platitudes, to avoid offending anyone. The only issue she was able to speak decisively about was abortion because they've already purged any moderates on that issue from the party.


True, this is an illustration that she was a puppet.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 14:00     Subject: Re:“Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It bothers me that she said "nothing comes to mind" when asked if she would do things differently than Biden. "Nothing comes to mind" makes a person sound like there is nothing in their mind--in a job interview you would never want to say it in answer to a question. If you didn't have an answer you would deflect.

It COULD have been an opportunity to focus on accomplishments of the Biden administration--maybe infrastructure funding that has gone to a red state that has started a highway project. Maybe the US -China trade deficit having gone to the lowest since 2010. Maybe to the work with Mexico to reduce arrivals at the border. And she could have articulated a focus on how she wanted to approach Ukraine or Gaza in a way that would not undermine her current boss but still carve out something unique to her. Certainly she would have known the question would be asked.

Obama did worry after the 2016 election that it showed backlash, and I suspect if he didn't want her as a candidate it was because that backlash hadn't gone away. It's kinda too bad she didn't stay in the Senate, I think she could have become a prominent Senator.


She couldn't answer the question because literally any answer she gave would have angered some faction of the Democratic party. That's the reason she spoke in such vapid platitudes, to avoid offending anyone. The only issue she was able to speak decisively about was abortion because they've already purged any moderates on that issue from the party.


This is a very good point. No wonder she always sounded confused and vague.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 13:23     Subject: Re:“Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:It bothers me that she said "nothing comes to mind" when asked if she would do things differently than Biden. "Nothing comes to mind" makes a person sound like there is nothing in their mind--in a job interview you would never want to say it in answer to a question. If you didn't have an answer you would deflect.

It COULD have been an opportunity to focus on accomplishments of the Biden administration--maybe infrastructure funding that has gone to a red state that has started a highway project. Maybe the US -China trade deficit having gone to the lowest since 2010. Maybe to the work with Mexico to reduce arrivals at the border. And she could have articulated a focus on how she wanted to approach Ukraine or Gaza in a way that would not undermine her current boss but still carve out something unique to her. Certainly she would have known the question would be asked.

Obama did worry after the 2016 election that it showed backlash, and I suspect if he didn't want her as a candidate it was because that backlash hadn't gone away. It's kinda too bad she didn't stay in the Senate, I think she could have become a prominent Senator.


She couldn't answer the question because literally any answer she gave would have angered some faction of the Democratic party. That's the reason she spoke in such vapid platitudes, to avoid offending anyone. The only issue she was able to speak decisively about was abortion because they've already purged any moderates on that issue from the party.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 13:17     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She is just a nothing politician lacking in substance.

This article from her campaign is so indicting. They talk about her like she is literally an empty suit. A puppet to be manipulated. No core convictions. No imagination. No impetus. No wonder she lost badly.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-campaign-polls_n_67462013e4b0fffc5a469baf#comments


Most rational people could see all of this just by observing Harris over the last 4 years, and watching her stumble through her feckless campaign. Only the hard-core Democrat loyalists deluded themselves into thinking she was/is anything else.


She crushed and humiliated Trump in the debate. She ran a great campaign but her campaign themes and messages were ignored while the anti trans and anti immigrant disinformation about her was amplified everywhere online and in the media. Trump was by far the most idiotic major party nominee in history but no one cared. Harris lost because this is an ignorant country full of people who are so invested in myths and stereotypes and imaginary grievances that they are incapable of rational thought.


Am I talking to Julie R, Kamala's campaign manager, who is desperately trying to save her own reputation? Because she is the only person in the world, besides Kamala herself, who would seriously believe this nonsense.

She did not "crush and humiliate" Trump in the debate. And even if she did, so what? We live in a 24 hour news cycle. It was old news 2 days later.

She did not run a "great" campaign. She ran a disorganized, unfocused, wildly expensive campaign that came across as though it was being run by complete amateurs.

She had no campaign "themes and messages."

The anti-trans and anti-immigrant points were not disinformation. These issues are destroying the fabric of our country and, thank God, voters are smart enough to know that.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 13:11     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This was clear from the beginning as he dragged his feet to endorse her. He was right too.

The fact of the matter is the voters didn't want her at the top of the ticket in 2020 and she did nothing to change her image in the last four years. I believe Biden threw his weight behind her spitefully in retaliation for being pushed out because he knew she couldnt win.


It was hysterical how Biden kept trying to undermine her. He was mad, and I don't blame him. After she lost he looked happy as can be. He still has the distinction of being the only one to beat Trump. He got the last laugh on Pelosi, Obama, and Clooney.


I did giggle when Biden wore the MAGA hat. It was pretty clear he was not a Harris fan. I so wish there had been a primary. There were plenty of good candidates among those who likely have presidential aspirations.


Do you blame him? He had a palace coup pulled on him. He’s got every right to be bitter. He should’ve had the chance to run, like any incumbent president should’ve had, and win or lose on his own.

I don’t like Biden, but I’m furious for how he was disrespected by his party.


Np oh please. Spare us. You could care less about how Biden was treated.

This whole thread is like salt in an open wound. Why are you people happy with your victory? Why do you have to grind us down?


You project your own hate onto me.

No, I don’t like Joe Biden, but I can also not like what was done to him by your party. That race should’ve been his to run, win or lose. Getting forced out because the Dems thought he was too old or senile to run - but NOT too old or senile to *remain in office*. Shameful. Your party is nest of scoundrels.

As for Trump? Meh. He wasn’t my first choice in 2016 or in 2024. But he was the right choice, and I was wrong both times. I’m big enough to admit that, too. He IS the best candidate. I’m ashamed I didn’t see it sooner.

Bit think about this: Trump broke Hillary. Trump broke Biden. Then Trump broke Kamala. He’s like a rock protruding up from the sea floor that sinks the ships of democrat dreams, over and over again.


He’s an unstoppable force in American politics.

MAGA.


I don't believe for one second that you care at all about any of the Democratic leaders. And that is totally fine! You won. You should be focused on winning rather than pretending to care about what the Democrats should or shouldn't have done. It is over. It does not matter. And honestly,you are projecting YOUR hatred onto me. I hate what America will come under Trump. But, there is nothing to do but sit back and hope we all don't suffer for your foolish choice.


America First is the wisest choice. There is no doubt that God spared Trumps life. Everybody saw a miracle happen. After that, the election was over.

I felt like it was a miracle Trump survived, but for a very different reason. I don’t believe for one second that he is good for America, but I think had he been assassinated, that would have been even worse for America than his serving a second term. Trump’s a despicable person with all the worst motivations and no qualifications, but no would-be assassin should interfere with the will of the voters. We needed a free and fair election for the wellbeing of the country. As per usual, Trump is just the completely undeserving beneficiary. He always fails upward. It’s the story of his life. It’s too bad he’s not religious because he should thank God every day for the completely undeserved benevolence he has been given over and over and over.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 13:03     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who cares who BHO wanted/didn’t want. He’s insignificant.


Pssst...he was running the country, not Biden.


Exactly, hence insignificant.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 12:59     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:Who cares who BHO wanted/didn’t want. He’s insignificant.


Pssst...he was running the country, not Biden.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 12:39     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Who cares who BHO wanted/didn’t want. He’s insignificant.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 12:38     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I honestly do not understand how any Democrat could hate Obama. He’s the most successful Democratic president since FDR.

If this Obama hates is a prevalent view among Democrats then the party is going to be in the wilderness for a long time. This how I know that


FDR was an AWFUL president! AYFKM? You’re comparing Obama to a guy who incarcerated hundreds of thousands of US citizens of Japanese ancestry, causing them to lose all their wealth and property and become destitute after the war? A guy who knew about the Tuskegee experiments infecting black men with syphilis and then not treating them? The guy whose TVA program stole the farms and lands from thousands of Appalachian farm families with no compensation in order to build hydroelectric dams for his business cronies? The guy who refused the SS St Louis permission to dock in the US with its cargo of Jewish refugees fleeing the holocaust- many of who were eventually returned to Europe where they were then executed?

I believe in Hell. And I believe FDR is there, right now, being tortured for all eternity. Deservedly so.

Obama sucks, yes. He’s an arrogant conceited empty suit. But he no where near the malevolent evil that was FDR.


Are you a member of the John Birch Society? Your girl Phylis was.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:43     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She is just a nothing politician lacking in substance.

This article from her campaign is so indicting. They talk about her like she is literally an empty suit. A puppet to be manipulated. No core convictions. No imagination. No impetus. No wonder she lost badly.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-campaign-polls_n_67462013e4b0fffc5a469baf#comments


Most rational people could see all of this just by observing Harris over the last 4 years, and watching her stumble through her feckless campaign. Only the hard-core Democrat loyalists deluded themselves into thinking she was/is anything else.


She crushed and humiliated Trump in the debate. She ran a great campaign but her campaign themes and messages were ignored while the anti trans and anti immigrant disinformation about her was amplified everywhere online and in the media. Trump was by far the most idiotic major party nominee in history but no one cared. Harris lost because this is an ignorant country full of people who are so invested in myths and stereotypes and imaginary grievances that they are incapable of rational thought.


She was fed all the questions beforehand in a rigged "debate" by corrupt ABC media who chose to not challenge her lies.
The US voters saw right thru that scam, hence Trump won in a landslide.
So fun and satisfying laughing at you progressive fools.