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FWIW I know atheists who have seriously dealt with the question of where standards for morality come from if there is no God and come up with some really compelling arguments. I was expecting one of those, not the tautology "My way is more moral because I say it is more moral."

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Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

Well, I am atheist and think atheists like you are evil, unintelligent, and naive.

Frankly I would rather converse with believers and find your comments to be supremely stupid and ill-informed.

DP. The PP's comments are certainly abrasive and rude, but they are not stupid or ill-informed.

PP - yes they are abrasive and rude, by design, because nothing else is working. Religion is a cancer on the planet. That is clear from the evidence of its continued influence. Tacit or passive endorsement just as bad as fundamentalist activist, whether al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Zionist or born again Christian.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

And you aren't using public policy and societal pressures to enforce your beliefs? Ask yourself - if you moved to a country where Sharia law was in effect, or a community governed by Orthodox Jews or the left's favorite hated Christian nationalists, would you try to make change? And do you think some people would - gasp - disagree?

Yes. Because my beliefs are better and more moral than yours, as well as being reinforced by the US constitution.

More moral by what standard? What sets the objective outside standard for you?

And as far as the bolded, the constitution places limits on what the federal government can do regarding free assembly, free speech, freedom of religious exercise and the like. It absolutely doesn't prioritize non-belief over belief. In fact it's there to say the government may not do that, just like they may not decide Anglicans or the Bahai Faith are the true religion of the US.

Why would I possibly need anyone to set a standard outside of my own morality? That's nonsense.

And I disagree with you on what the constitution says. It says no established religion, which means you can't make policy based on xtianity or any other equally BS myth. But that is happening.

You said "more moral." I asked "by what standard." You said "me."

So you're now the arbiter of morality?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

Well, I am atheist and think atheists like you are evil, unintelligent, and naive.

Frankly I would rather converse with believers and find your comments to be supremely stupid and ill-informed.

DP. The PP's comments are certainly abrasive and rude, but they are not stupid or ill-informed.

DP. They may not be stupid, but they contain no actual proof for the assertions, but rely on logical fallacies and assumptions that the readers have the exact same priors.

To call all religions "crazy bronze-aged beliefs" is an ad hominem attack against religion as a whole, not a solid logical proof.

PP didn't bring forth a single example of the religious trying to enforce beliefs through societal pressure or public policy, and certainly did not make a case that the religious do this more than the non-believers. Most people can probably easily find these people, however, since the media enjoys nutpicking, so I'll grant that they exist. But to go from the specific cases to the generalization PP did is a hasty generalization fallacy.

But for the sake of the argument, let's even try granting that the non-religious don't try to weaponize culture, PP has no where made the case that they person they quoted wants to do any of that. They have no proof for that. At all.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

Well, I am atheist and think atheists like you are evil, unintelligent, and naive.

Frankly I would rather converse with believers and find your comments to be supremely stupid and ill-informed.

I do not care what you think. You are nearly as much a part of the problem as the theists.

Babe, you’re the one spending your free time fighting about religion with strangers on the internet.

You appear to care very much.

First, I am not your "babe", you disgusting primitive knuckle dragging mouth breathing creep.

I care a great deal what happens, not what you think. You are a big part of the problem. And a sexist jerkoff to boot.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

And you aren't using public policy and societal pressures to enforce your beliefs? Ask yourself - if you moved to a country where Sharia law was in effect, or a community governed by Orthodox Jews or the left's favorite hated Christian nationalists, would you try to make change? And do you think some people would - gasp - disagree?

Yes. Because my beliefs are better and more moral than yours, as well as being reinforced by the US constitution.

More moral by what standard? What sets the objective outside standard for you?

And as far as the bolded, the constitution places limits on what the federal government can do regarding free assembly, free speech, freedom of religious exercise and the like. It absolutely doesn't prioritize non-belief over belief. In fact it's there to say the government may not do that, just like they may not decide Anglicans or the Bahai Faith are the true religion of the US.

Why would I possibly need anyone to set a standard outside of my own morality? That's nonsense.

And I disagree with you on what the constitution says. It says no established religion, which means you can't make policy based on xtianity or any other equally BS myth. But that is happening.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to talk with similarly-minded people and I want religious people to think more about their beliefs.

I wish I had known about this forum when I was first questioning religion. It would have been very helpful to know that there are seemingly intelligent, good-humored and logical people who have rejected religion.

This is one of the few places that I feel free to discuss atheism. Being religious is the default position in the US, even though recent studies indicate that fewer people these days are religious.

Same reason we have to listen about religion and how what you all believe should be inflicted on everyone everywhere. That's why. Everyone is sick of it. Don't believe in abortion great don't have one. Don't believe in transgender or gay-great you can still be respectful to people with different beliefs. Believe that women are less than men and should be controlled well have at it but don't get mad when the rest of the world doesn't want to live that way. Want your kids to pray in school they can go to private or they can say their own prayers during a moment of silence. People who are not religious are tired of religious people shoving their beliefs down everyones throats.

So you're cool if a family chooses to live that way and out of respect for their beliefs you will modify your behavior (ex: you will understand if someone chooses not to use preferred pronouns)? Or you think they have to modify their behavior for whatever the dominant culture is?

Because if so, you are basically just saying might makes right.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to talk with similarly-minded people and I want religious people to think more about their beliefs.

I wish I had known about this forum when I was first questioning religion. It would have been very helpful to know that there are seemingly intelligent, good-humored and logical people who have rejected religion.

This is one of the few places that I feel free to discuss atheism. Being religious is the default position in the US, even though recent studies indicate that fewer people these days are religious.

Same reason we have to listen about religion and how what you all believe should be inflicted on everyone everywhere. That's why. Everyone is sick of it. Don't believe in abortion great don't have one. Don't believe in transgender or gay-great you can still be respectful to people with different beliefs. Believe that women are less than men and should be controlled well have at it but don't get mad when the rest of the world doesn't want to live that way. Want your kids to pray in school they can go to private or they can say their own prayers during a moment of silence. People who are not religious are tired of religious people shoving their beliefs down everyones throats.

100000%

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

Well, I am atheist and think atheists like you are evil, unintelligent, and naive.

Frankly I would rather converse with believers and find your comments to be supremely stupid and ill-informed.

DP. The PP's comments are certainly abrasive and rude, but they are not stupid or ill-informed.

Anonymous wrote:I want to talk with similarly-minded people and I want religious people to think more about their beliefs.

I wish I had known about this forum when I was first questioning religion. It would have been very helpful to know that there are seemingly intelligent, good-humored and logical people who have rejected religion.

This is one of the few places that I feel free to discuss atheism. Being religious is the default position in the US, even though recent studies indicate that fewer people these days are religious.

Same reason we have to listen about religion and how what you all believe should be inflicted on everyone everywhere. That's why. Everyone is sick of it. Don't believe in abortion great don't have one. Don't believe in transgender or gay-great you can still be respectful to people with different beliefs. Believe that women are less than men and should be controlled well have at it but don't get mad when the rest of the world doesn't want to live that way. Want your kids to pray in school they can go to private or they can say their own prayers during a moment of silence. People who are not religious are tired of religious people shoving their beliefs down everyones throats.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

Well, I am atheist and think atheists like you are evil, unintelligent, and naive.

Frankly I would rather converse with believers and find your comments to be supremely stupid and ill-informed.

I do not care what you think. You are nearly as much a part of the problem as the theists.

Babe, you’re the one spending your free time fighting about religion with strangers on the internet.

You appear to care very much.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

And you aren't using public policy and societal pressures to enforce your beliefs? Ask yourself - if you moved to a country where Sharia law was in effect, or a community governed by Orthodox Jews or the left's favorite hated Christian nationalists, would you try to make change? And do you think some people would - gasp - disagree?

Yes. Because my beliefs are better and more moral than yours, as well as being reinforced by the US constitution.

More moral by what standard? What sets the objective outside standard for you?

And as far as the bolded, the constitution places limits on what the federal government can do regarding free assembly, free speech, freedom of religious exercise and the like. It absolutely doesn't prioritize non-belief over belief. In fact it's there to say the government may not do that, just like they may not decide Anglicans or the Bahai Faith are the true religion of the US.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

Well, I am atheist and think atheists like you are evil, unintelligent, and naive.

Frankly I would rather converse with believers and find your comments to be supremely stupid and ill-informed.

I do not care what you think. You are nearly as much a part of the problem as the theists.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to talk with similarly-minded people and I want religious people to think more about their beliefs.

I wish I had known about this forum when I was first questioning religion. It would have been very helpful to know that there are seemingly intelligent, good-humored and logical people who have rejected religion.

This is one of the few places that I feel free to discuss atheism. Being religious is the default position in the US, even though recent studies indicate that fewer people these days are religious.

If that were what the atheists on this forum were, that would be great. I'd love to be challenged to think deeply.

What I mostly read is angry, combative people spewing misinformation and shouting "That's not rational!"

It kills every thread.

So you're triggered when someone tells you (calmly) that your thoughts are not rational?

The posts above you look calm to you? OK.

I've posted multiple times about irrational posts. Calmly each time. Perhaps you are conflating posters?

If you are posting calmly that my thoughts aren't rational than I wasn't referring to you in the post I quoted, that's correct. I mentioned that the bulk of the posts from atheists on this forum are not calm, and I stand by that assertion. There are definite (delightful, IMHO because very interesting to interact with) exceptions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to change your mind and make sure to take people away from their God. It's pretty evil in my opinion.

That's because you are brainwashed, and you do not realize the hard your beliefs are doing to the world (and have for a long time).

Open your eyes and see that there is insufficient evidence to believe there is a god - certainly not to the point where you need to enforce these crazy bronze-age beliefs on others through public policy and societal pressures. That is TRUE evil. REAL evil. Evil that you put on REAL humans EVERY DAY.

And you aren't using public policy and societal pressures to enforce your beliefs? Ask yourself - if you moved to a country where Sharia law was in effect, or a community governed by Orthodox Jews or the left's favorite hated Christian nationalists, would you try to make change? And do you think some people would - gasp - disagree?

Yes. Because my beliefs are better and more moral than yours, as well as being reinforced by the US constitution.