Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 13:16     Subject: Re:Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the main reason was to give a f*** you to dems and they succeeded in doing that. See, the thing about f you is that it's typically an emotional response, not a logical one. You can't expect Arabs to put their emotions in a box considering what has been supported by Biden administration in Gaza, if Biden had been the candidate I wouldn't have bothered to vote because of the Gaza issue.

To say, "but Harris is not Biden" is a cop out, she is a part of the same administration. This election was a referendum on Biden and his disastrous policies over 4 years, no democratic candidate could have escaped the wrath.

Biden's legacy is shot and he will be regarded as one of the most inept presidents.

Signed - A democrat who voted for Harris.


Keep blaming Biden. If he was such a terrible politician, why did Kamala agree to be his VP?


Because at the end of the day they ALL are politicians, I am not saying she is any better than him, although VP doesn't have much of a role or control over President's policies.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 13:03     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?


Many of the earlier posters have identified important motivations and I will add to those. Biden won Dearborn with 80 percent of the vote, so the city has normally been very Democratic. However, a significant number, perhaps a majority, of the Arabs in Dearborn have their roots in southern Lebanon. That is exactly the area that is being destroyed at the moment by Israel. Biden and Harris don't seem to be doing anything to stop the fighting. The administration's point person on the conflict, Amos Hochstein, is an Israeli citizen who served in the IDF. As such, there is considerable doubt that he is an honest broker as a negotiator in this conflict. In contrast, Trump's point man for Lebanon will be Tiffany Trump's father-in-law who is a Lebanese-American. He has been campaigning vigorously among Dearborn's Arabs and telling them that Trump will end the conflict. The result is that the voters in Dearborn were presented with only terrible choices: Trump, Harris, third-party, or not voting. The majority chose the terrible option that at least promises to end the fighting.


Thank you for this explanation.
I actually didn’t know this about Tiffany Trump’s father-in-law and it makes sense out of what otherwise did not seem to make sense (preference for Trump over Harris).
I dint doubt Trump will push to end the conflict very swiftly. I just question whether the outcome will be favorable to this voting block. But maybe quick end is better than lingering uncertainty?
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 13:02     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?


Nope. Good luck to their relatives in Gaza and Lebanon.


Harris and her surrogates couldn’t tell the difference between the community members who support peace and those who support war. That was all over TikTok.


You know Chinese owns tiktok, right?
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 13:02     Subject: Re:Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:I think the main reason was to give a f*** you to dems and they succeeded in doing that. See, the thing about f you is that it's typically an emotional response, not a logical one. You can't expect Arabs to put their emotions in a box considering what has been supported by Biden administration in Gaza, if Biden had been the candidate I wouldn't have bothered to vote because of the Gaza issue.

To say, "but Harris is not Biden" is a cop out, she is a part of the same administration. This election was a referendum on Biden and his disastrous policies over 4 years, no democratic candidate could have escaped the wrath.

Biden's legacy is shot and he will be regarded as one of the most inept presidents.

Signed - A democrat who voted for Harris.


Keep blaming Biden. If he was such a terrible politician, why did Kamala agree to be his VP?
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 13:01     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?


Nobody among Democrats with power is opposed to supporting Israel. Democrats finger-wag occasionally but sign all the same and their dracula of a Dept of State spokesperson giggles and says Not Yet! when asked if Israel should be punished for withholding aid.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 13:01     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?


Nope. Good luck to their relatives in Gaza and Lebanon.


Harris and her surrogates couldn’t tell the difference between the community members who support peace and those who support war. That was all over TikTok.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:59     Subject: Re:Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Sure.

They want peace in the Middle East.

Trump didn’t alienate them. Kamala campaign did. It was all over X and TikTok. Then she tried promoting Hamas hashtags in her speeches.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:59     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

I will leave you just with this tidbit. Arab-American communities referred to the Dem candidate as Kamla Hmarris.

Stupid donkey.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:58     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump will let Netanyahu do whatever he wants. From now through the next four years, the blood of every dead Gazan child, the death of every innocent Lebanese, will be on the hands of Dearborn Muslims.



Tell me, how did the Biden administration constrain Netanyahu?



For the millionth time, Biden couldn't do much during an election season when the guy he was running against was even more pro-Zionist.



Weak excuses.


Your position is basically "things can't get any worse, so burn it all down."

But, I assure you, things can get worse. No matter bad life gets, it can always get worse.

Giving in to reactionary fatalism is a costly mistake.


But you are just assuring me of that, are you? You want to assure me that under Harris, things would have got better.

And people don't believe you.

That is all.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:56     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump will let Netanyahu do whatever he wants. From now through the next four years, the blood of every dead Gazan child, the death of every innocent Lebanese, will be on the hands of Dearborn Muslims.



Tell me, how did the Biden administration constrain Netanyahu?



For the millionth time, Biden couldn't do much during an election season when the guy he was running against was even more pro-Zionist.



Weak excuses.


Your position is basically "things can't get any worse, so burn it all down."

But, I assure you, things can get worse. No matter bad life gets, it can always get worse.

Giving in to reactionary fatalism is a costly mistake.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:56     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Osama Bin Laden said if there is a strong horse and a weak horse, people will support the strong horse.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:55     Subject: Re:Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

I think the main reason was to give a f*** you to dems and they succeeded in doing that. See, the thing about f you is that it's typically an emotional response, not a logical one. You can't expect Arabs to put their emotions in a box considering what has been supported by Biden administration in Gaza, if Biden had been the candidate I wouldn't have bothered to vote because of the Gaza issue.

To say, "but Harris is not Biden" is a cop out, she is a part of the same administration. This election was a referendum on Biden and his disastrous policies over 4 years, no democratic candidate could have escaped the wrath.

Biden's legacy is shot and he will be regarded as one of the most inept presidents.

Signed - A democrat who voted for Harris.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:54     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?


Nope. Good luck to their relatives in Gaza and Lebanon.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:53     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

At least you currently have the right to protest.

Stephen "Goebbels" Miller has explicitly stated that he will deport pro-Palestinian protesters on the grounds that they are supporting "terrorism."

That's fear mongering or an exaggeration. That is literally what they have publicly stated they will do.
Anonymous
Post 11/07/2024 12:53     Subject: Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one wanted what the Dems were selling. They got way too crazy.


True dat. People in Dearborn wanted what Trump was selling.


He was selling being best buddies with Netanyahu and killing more Gazans and Lebanese, and abandoning Ukrainians to be slaughtered as well.

That's what he sold, and what they bought. Accept it.