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Anonymous wrote:No European country recommends Covid boosters for kids, so no. The US is an outlier with their indiscriminate recommendation, which is clearly driven by Pfizer lobbying.

What are your thoughts on the US auto lobby?

How is this relevant here? I'm sure it's strong, lol.

The same people that are against European innovations such as functioning public transportation and universal healthcare (they’re socialists! It would never work here! Etc.) suddenly citing European policies and recommendations when it comes to their anti vaccination beliefs just strikes me as funny.

Ha! I figured that was what you were trying to imply. Sorry to break it to you, but I am from Europe, a liberal, firmly in favor of public transportation and universal healthcare, currently losing sleep over the prospect of Trump winning the election, and YET I think American liberals have been crazy in their approach to Covid, particularly school closures, masks, and vaccines. No other country has politicized Covid to this degree, and that you still assume that someone who thinks that teens don't need Covid boosters must be a right-wing "anti-vaxxer" only proves my point. Good luck, America. This shit is what might win Trump the election.

Yes, people who are against routine vaccinations recommended by the CDC (as the Covid boosters are) are a segment of the anti-vaxxer crowd. You have more in common with the Trump supporters than you think.

Vaccinations shouldn’t be politicized, I agree with you there; it is you and your ilk who are firmly against official public health policy recommendations who are the folks politicizing it, however. (“But I did muh own research!” Yeah, we get it.)

Holy moly. Did you even read the PP? You are the nutcase (and truly clueless) for calling them an anti-vaxxer. Sheesh.

The person who is against vaccinations is not an anti-vaxxer?

Holy moly is right.

I do not get the high dose flu shot. I only get the regular dose one. I also have not gotten a meningococcal vaccination. Does that mean I am against vaccinations and am an anti-vaxxer?

If you don’t get them because you don’t feel like it, no.

If you don’t get them because you don’t trust the CDC or scientists, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:No European country recommends Covid boosters for kids, so no. The US is an outlier with their indiscriminate recommendation, which is clearly driven by Pfizer lobbying.

What are your thoughts on the US auto lobby?

How is this relevant here? I'm sure it's strong, lol.

The same people that are against European innovations such as functioning public transportation and universal healthcare (they’re socialists! It would never work here! Etc.) suddenly citing European policies and recommendations when it comes to their anti vaccination beliefs just strikes me as funny.

Ha! I figured that was what you were trying to imply. Sorry to break it to you, but I am from Europe, a liberal, firmly in favor of public transportation and universal healthcare, currently losing sleep over the prospect of Trump winning the election, and YET I think American liberals have been crazy in their approach to Covid, particularly school closures, masks, and vaccines. No other country has politicized Covid to this degree, and that you still assume that someone who thinks that teens don't need Covid boosters must be a right-wing "anti-vaxxer" only proves my point. Good luck, America. This shit is what might win Trump the election.

Yes, people who are against routine vaccinations recommended by the CDC (as the Covid boosters are) are a segment of the anti-vaxxer crowd. You have more in common with the Trump supporters than you think.

Vaccinations shouldn’t be politicized, I agree with you there; it is you and your ilk who are firmly against official public health policy recommendations who are the folks politicizing it, however. (“But I did muh own research!” Yeah, we get it.)

European PP here. This is my first time back to this thread, and I see others picked up the argument with you last night. Not sure it's worth discussing this with you further, since you clearly have a very fixed, partisan, uninformed and parochial opinion on these matters.

Just this: The American CDC recommending them doesn't make the Covid vaccines "routine" vaccinations; putting them on the childhood vaccine schedule was a mistake, out of line with all other developed countries. The argument that this is for cost reasons is preposterous. It is a fact that there is no good evidence to support annual boosters, or even any Covid vaccinations for children, and European public health authorities, even those who initially recommended the shots for kids, acknowledge this.

Call me an anti-vaxxer all you want - our whole family had three shots (although I now think vaccinating my kids against Covid, and especially allowing myself to be coerced into giving them the third due to a camp mandate, was a mistake). I went into this with a strong pro-vaccine bias, and was eager to get the vaccine for my husband and myself in 2021. We even drove all the way out to the Eastern Shore to get it as early as possible. My kids are up to date on all traditional vaccines, including HPV. I do think the way the Covid shots have been pushed so indiscriminately has harmed trust in other vaccines, but I still strongly believe in routine childhood vaccinations. But sure, I'm an anti-vaxxer. I don't care if you and your ilk call me that, but I do need to point out how absurd it is.

Lastly, to say that anyone critical of non-evidence based public health recommendations is the one politicizing them is pure projection and betrays a profound lack of self-awareness on the part of the American Left. As I said, good luck America! Both sides are down their own rabbit holes. And for the record, I still think the right-wing rabbit holes are worse, but on Covid, American liberals aren't far behind.

Tl;dr - you think you know more than the CDC because you did your own research (and also I guess because you are from Europe?). I already told you: got it.

You have no idea what my political affiliation is, btw. I am just a lowly research scientist who apparently isn’t as informed on evidence based medicine and public policy recommendations as some random European who has equal levels of contempt for America, liberals, and Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

This is not a primary vaccine and ok to opt out. This is not a vaccine that does much of anything. Staying home when sick and masking is far better.

Europeans can stay home when sick, not so much in the US. People get fired here.

This is about teens. Are teens going to get fired?

Do teens not have to go to school anymore? And it seems generally that the adults against the vaccines for their teens are also against it for themselves.

Y’all are really twisting yourselves into knots here defending your mistrust of vaccines (but only some vaccines so it doesn’t count, right?). Don’t get it if you’re too scared, but understand that your hesitation and skepticism isn’t based in reality.

Kids don’t miss days and days of school for Covid. Get a grip.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

But there’s not enough benefit. That’s why nobody else recommends it.

People on this thread are talking about the “risks” to teens. I just pointed out that the reason it’s not recommended has nothing to do with “risks”. Keep up.

DP. You didn't "point it out". You made a claim without evidence. You clearly are not keeping up with the European discourse on this.

You’re right. I actually trust the CDC more than any health organizations in Europe. Sorry that offends you.

Anyway, good luck to you all! I’m not going to waste any more of my time arguing with anti-vaxxer(lite) fools.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

This is not a primary vaccine and ok to opt out. This is not a vaccine that does much of anything. Staying home when sick and masking is far better.

Europeans can stay home when sick, not so much in the US. People get fired here.

This is about teens. Are teens going to get fired?

Do teens not have to go to school anymore? And it seems generally that the adults against the vaccines for their teens are also against it for themselves.

Y’all are really twisting yourselves into knots here defending your mistrust of vaccines (but only some vaccines so it doesn’t count, right?). Don’t get it if you’re too scared, but understand that your hesitation and skepticism isn’t based in reality.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

But there’s not enough benefit. That’s why nobody else recommends it.

People on this thread are talking about the “risks” to teens. I just pointed out that the reason it’s not recommended has nothing to do with “risks”. Keep up.

DP. You didn't "point it out". You made a claim without evidence. You clearly are not keeping up with the European discourse on this.

You’re right. I actually trust the CDC more than any health organizations in Europe. Sorry that offends you.

Anyway, good luck to you all! I’m not going to waste any more of my time arguing with anti-vaxxer(lite) fools.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

But there’s not enough benefit. That’s why nobody else recommends it.

People on this thread are talking about the “risks” to teens. I just pointed out that the reason it’s not recommended has nothing to do with “risks”. Keep up.

DP. You didn't "point it out". You made a claim without evidence. You clearly are not keeping up with the European discourse on this.

You’re right. I actually trust the CDC more than any health organizations in Europe. Sorry that offends you.

Anyway, good luck to you all! I’m not going to waste any more of my time arguing with anti-vaxxer(lite) fools.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

This is not a primary vaccine and ok to opt out. This is not a vaccine that does much of anything. Staying home when sick and masking is far better.

Europeans can stay home when sick, not so much in the US. People get fired here.

This is about teens. Are teens going to get fired?

Do teens not have to go to school anymore? And it seems generally that the adults against the vaccines for their teens are also against it for themselves.

Y’all are really twisting yourselves into knots here defending your mistrust of vaccines (but only some vaccines so it doesn’t count, right?). Don’t get it if you’re too scared, but understand that your hesitation and skepticism isn’t based in reality.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

But there’s not enough benefit. That’s why nobody else recommends it.

People on this thread are talking about the “risks” to teens. I just pointed out that the reason it’s not recommended has nothing to do with “risks”. Keep up.

DP. You didn't "point it out". You made a claim without evidence. You clearly are not keeping up with the European discourse on this.

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Anonymous wrote:No European country recommends Covid boosters for kids, so no. The US is an outlier with their indiscriminate recommendation, which is clearly driven by Pfizer lobbying.

What are your thoughts on the US auto lobby?

How is this relevant here? I'm sure it's strong, lol.

The same people that are against European innovations such as functioning public transportation and universal healthcare (they’re socialists! It would never work here! Etc.) suddenly citing European policies and recommendations when it comes to their anti vaccination beliefs just strikes me as funny.

Ha! I figured that was what you were trying to imply. Sorry to break it to you, but I am from Europe, a liberal, firmly in favor of public transportation and universal healthcare, currently losing sleep over the prospect of Trump winning the election, and YET I think American liberals have been crazy in their approach to Covid, particularly school closures, masks, and vaccines. No other country has politicized Covid to this degree, and that you still assume that someone who thinks that teens don't need Covid boosters must be a right-wing "anti-vaxxer" only proves my point. Good luck, America. This shit is what might win Trump the election.

Yes, people who are against routine vaccinations recommended by the CDC (as the Covid boosters are) are a segment of the anti-vaxxer crowd. You have more in common with the Trump supporters than you think.

Vaccinations shouldn’t be politicized, I agree with you there; it is you and your ilk who are firmly against official public health policy recommendations who are the folks politicizing it, however. (“But I did muh own research!” Yeah, we get it.)

European PP here. This is my first time back to this thread, and I see others picked up the argument with you last night. Not sure it's worth discussing this with you further, since you clearly have a very fixed, partisan, uninformed and parochial opinion on these matters.

Just this: The American CDC recommending them doesn't make the Covid vaccines "routine" vaccinations; putting them on the childhood vaccine schedule was a mistake, out of line with all other developed countries. The argument that this is for cost reasons is preposterous. It is a fact that there is no good evidence to support annual boosters, or even any Covid vaccinations for children, and European public health authorities, even those who initially recommended the shots for kids, acknowledge this.

Call me an anti-vaxxer all you want - our whole family had three shots (although I now think vaccinating my kids against Covid, and especially allowing myself to be coerced into giving them the third due to a camp mandate, was a mistake). I went into this with a strong pro-vaccine bias, and was eager to get the vaccine for my husband and myself in 2021. We even drove all the way out to the Eastern Shore to get it as early as possible. My kids are up to date on all traditional vaccines, including HPV. I do think the way the Covid shots have been pushed so indiscriminately has harmed trust in other vaccines, but I still strongly believe in routine childhood vaccinations. But sure, I'm an anti-vaxxer. I don't care if you and your ilk call me that, but I do need to point out how absurd it is.

Lastly, to say that anyone critical of non-evidence based public health recommendations is the one politicizing them is pure projection and betrays a profound lack of self-awareness on the part of the American Left. As I said, good luck America! Both sides are down their own rabbit holes. And for the record, I still think the right-wing rabbit holes are worse, but on Covid, American liberals aren't far behind.

Tl;dr - you think you know more than the CDC because you did your own research (and also I guess because you are from Europe?). I already told you: got it.

You have no idea what my political affiliation is, btw. I am just a lowly research scientist who apparently isn’t as informed on evidence based medicine and public policy recommendations as some random European who has equal levels of contempt for America, liberals, and Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

This is not a primary vaccine and ok to opt out. This is not a vaccine that does much of anything. Staying home when sick and masking is far better.

Europeans can stay home when sick, not so much in the US. People get fired here.

This is about teens. Are teens going to get fired?

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Anonymous wrote:No European country recommends Covid boosters for kids, so no. The US is an outlier with their indiscriminate recommendation, which is clearly driven by Pfizer lobbying.

What are your thoughts on the US auto lobby?

How is this relevant here? I'm sure it's strong, lol.

The same people that are against European innovations such as functioning public transportation and universal healthcare (they’re socialists! It would never work here! Etc.) suddenly citing European policies and recommendations when it comes to their anti vaccination beliefs just strikes me as funny.

Ha! I figured that was what you were trying to imply. Sorry to break it to you, but I am from Europe, a liberal, firmly in favor of public transportation and universal healthcare, currently losing sleep over the prospect of Trump winning the election, and YET I think American liberals have been crazy in their approach to Covid, particularly school closures, masks, and vaccines. No other country has politicized Covid to this degree, and that you still assume that someone who thinks that teens don't need Covid boosters must be a right-wing "anti-vaxxer" only proves my point. Good luck, America. This shit is what might win Trump the election.

Yes, people who are against routine vaccinations recommended by the CDC (as the Covid boosters are) are a segment of the anti-vaxxer crowd. You have more in common with the Trump supporters than you think.

Vaccinations shouldn’t be politicized, I agree with you there; it is you and your ilk who are firmly against official public health policy recommendations who are the folks politicizing it, however. (“But I did muh own research!” Yeah, we get it.)

European PP here. This is my first time back to this thread, and I see others picked up the argument with you last night. Not sure it's worth discussing this with you further, since you clearly have a very fixed, partisan, uninformed and parochial opinion on these matters.

Just this: The American CDC recommending them doesn't make the Covid vaccines "routine" vaccinations; putting them on the childhood vaccine schedule was a mistake, out of line with all other developed countries. The argument that this is for cost reasons is preposterous. It is a fact that there is no good evidence to support annual boosters, or even any Covid vaccinations for children, and European public health authorities, even those who initially recommended the shots for kids, acknowledge this.

Call me an anti-vaxxer all you want - our whole family had three shots (although I now think vaccinating my kids against Covid, and especially allowing myself to be coerced into giving them the third due to a camp mandate, was a mistake). I went into this with a strong pro-vaccine bias, and was eager to get the vaccine for my husband and myself in 2021. We even drove all the way out to the Eastern Shore to get it as early as possible. My kids are up to date on all traditional vaccines, including HPV. I do think the way the Covid shots have been pushed so indiscriminately has harmed trust in other vaccines, but I still strongly believe in routine childhood vaccinations. But sure, I'm an anti-vaxxer. I don't care if you and your ilk call me that, but I do need to point out how absurd it is.

Lastly, to say that anyone critical of non-evidence based public health recommendations is the one politicizing them is pure projection and betrays a profound lack of self-awareness on the part of the American Left. As I said, good luck America! Both sides are down their own rabbit holes. And for the record, I still think the right-wing rabbit holes are worse, but on Covid, American liberals aren't far behind.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

This is not a primary vaccine and ok to opt out. This is not a vaccine that does much of anything. Staying home when sick and masking is far better.

Europeans can stay home when sick, not so much in the US. People get fired here.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

But there’s not enough benefit. That’s why nobody else recommends it.

People on this thread are talking about the “risks” to teens. I just pointed out that the reason it’s not recommended has nothing to do with “risks”. Keep up.