Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What has changed is that NOTHING happens to the violent kid.
When I started teaching 25 years ago, kids who tried to violently lash out and/or destroy a classroom were restrained and prevented from doing so. Then they were often suspended so their parents were motivated to deal with the issue. They weren't kept in a classroom for YEARS doing the same thing over and over again.
It is incomprehensible that we are allowing students whether they are 5 or 7 or 12 or 15 year the power to control the classroom, assault other students and staff, and if they please to destroy rooms and cause the entire class to evacuate the classroom. That is an insane level of power to give a kid. Many of these kids are pretty clever and realize there are no consequences. Everything is now based on positives.
The toll this is taking on both general ed. teachers and special education teachers is catastrophic. As more and more special ed teachers quit, there are fewer places to send violent students so they are in general ed. classes. General ed. teachers are getting burned out because they have to do too much and are tired of one or two really disruptive kids making teaching insufferable . Districts have realized they can save money by trying to include most students. Many of these students need a smaller teacher to staff ratio and those classes are disappearing.
There really aren't many jobs were you are expected to be hit, kicked, bit, spit on, and sworn at on a weekly or daily basis and then blamed for not doing enough. A 6 year old shoots a teacher and the school district response is - well that's to be expected, that's one of the dangers of teaching.
Then your workplace gets destroyed by one child as well and you aren't reimbursed for all the items you purchased with your own money and all the time you spent making the classroom a pleasing place.
Now add to that the trauma other students are witnessing on a DAILY basis. Imagine going to work with a co-worker who throws things at you when you are trying to work, will rip up the paper you just completed, who might attack you, yell profanities at you, cause you to have to evacuate your office two to three times a week. It is so sad to hear how happy kids are when the massive behavior problem kid isn't there. They sense their teacher is ecstatic as well.
If you are a parent who has a kid in this situation, sorry it most likely isn't going to get better. After my kid got hit in the head with a rock, had to evacuate his class once a week, and saw how stressed his teacher was I decided to move him mid-year to a private school. There were just way too many problem kids in his cohort that were sucking the life out of his classes.
This doesn’t happen in the good public schools. You could have sent your child to one of those.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What has changed is that NOTHING happens to the violent kid.
When I started teaching 25 years ago, kids who tried to violently lash out and/or destroy a classroom were restrained and prevented from doing so. Then they were often suspended so their parents were motivated to deal with the issue. They weren't kept in a classroom for YEARS doing the same thing over and over again.
It is incomprehensible that we are allowing students whether they are 5 or 7 or 12 or 15 year the power to control the classroom, assault other students and staff, and if they please to destroy rooms and cause the entire class to evacuate the classroom. That is an insane level of power to give a kid. Many of these kids are pretty clever and realize there are no consequences. Everything is now based on positives.
The toll this is taking on both general ed. teachers and special education teachers is catastrophic. As more and more special ed teachers quit, there are fewer places to send violent students so they are in general ed. classes. General ed. teachers are getting burned out because they have to do too much and are tired of one or two really disruptive kids making teaching insufferable . Districts have realized they can save money by trying to include most students. Many of these students need a smaller teacher to staff ratio and those classes are disappearing.
There really aren't many jobs were you are expected to be hit, kicked, bit, spit on, and sworn at on a weekly or daily basis and then blamed for not doing enough. A 6 year old shoots a teacher and the school district response is - well that's to be expected, that's one of the dangers of teaching.
Then your workplace gets destroyed by one child as well and you aren't reimbursed for all the items you purchased with your own money and all the time you spent making the classroom a pleasing place.
Now add to that the trauma other students are witnessing on a DAILY basis. Imagine going to work with a co-worker who throws things at you when you are trying to work, will rip up the paper you just completed, who might attack you, yell profanities at you, cause you to have to evacuate your office two to three times a week. It is so sad to hear how happy kids are when the massive behavior problem kid isn't there. They sense their teacher is ecstatic as well.
If you are a parent who has a kid in this situation, sorry it most likely isn't going to get better. After my kid got hit in the head with a rock, had to evacuate his class once a week, and saw how stressed his teacher was I decided to move him mid-year to a private school. There were just way too many problem kids in his cohort that were sucking the life out of his classes.
This doesn’t happen in the good public schools. You could have sent your child to one of those.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless a lot of parents really make a stink about it, then nothing will happen. No doubt the teacher has tried repeatedly to get admin to take action, and they have refused. It's all too common.
Then teachers quit and turnover increases. Why would admin refuse to take action?
Because they have bosses, who have bosses, who have bosses...and in the mix are school boards and taxpayers and politicians. And as you get further and further out you get a very low percentage of people who actually spend time in schools.
Americans have gotten to a place where it's easier to blame teachers and principals than it is to blame caregivers and families.
It always boils down to someone in this hierarchy chain has a sped kid. And many sped parents are the most selfish and entitled people who expect other people to care about their kids first. And excuse their kid's poor behaviors. And threaten to sue. And tell everyone else to go to private school. Other parents are not a-holes. Almost every normal parent has tried to be sympathetic but have reached their tolerance threshold after 100 or 1000 incidents.
And if you think your crazy kid is anonymous, parents who don't even know each other, meet at school functions, and inevitably talk about who the crazy kids are to let each other know who their kids should avoid like the plague. Even many teachers will confirm in private who the crazy kids are without naming them directly. Contrary to crazy parents' belief, public school is not a psych ward or rehab center, and people are sick of your kids and their craziness.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What has changed is that NOTHING happens to the violent kid.
When I started teaching 25 years ago, kids who tried to violently lash out and/or destroy a classroom were restrained and prevented from doing so. Then they were often suspended so their parents were motivated to deal with the issue. They weren't kept in a classroom for YEARS doing the same thing over and over again.
It is incomprehensible that we are allowing students whether they are 5 or 7 or 12 or 15 year the power to control the classroom, assault other students and staff, and if they please to destroy rooms and cause the entire class to evacuate the classroom. That is an insane level of power to give a kid. Many of these kids are pretty clever and realize there are no consequences. Everything is now based on positives.
The toll this is taking on both general ed. teachers and special education teachers is catastrophic. As more and more special ed teachers quit, there are fewer places to send violent students so they are in general ed. classes. General ed. teachers are getting burned out because they have to do too much and are tired of one or two really disruptive kids making teaching insufferable . Districts have realized they can save money by trying to include most students. Many of these students need a smaller teacher to staff ratio and those classes are disappearing.
There really aren't many jobs were you are expected to be hit, kicked, bit, spit on, and sworn at on a weekly or daily basis and then blamed for not doing enough. A 6 year old shoots a teacher and the school district response is - well that's to be expected, that's one of the dangers of teaching.
Then your workplace gets destroyed by one child as well and you aren't reimbursed for all the items you purchased with your own money and all the time you spent making the classroom a pleasing place.
Now add to that the trauma other students are witnessing on a DAILY basis. Imagine going to work with a co-worker who throws things at you when you are trying to work, will rip up the paper you just completed, who might attack you, yell profanities at you, cause you to have to evacuate your office two to three times a week. It is so sad to hear how happy kids are when the massive behavior problem kid isn't there. They sense their teacher is ecstatic as well.
If you are a parent who has a kid in this situation, sorry it most likely isn't going to get better. After my kid got hit in the head with a rock, had to evacuate his class once a week, and saw how stressed his teacher was I decided to move him mid-year to a private school. There were just way too many problem kids in his cohort that were sucking the life out of his classes.
This doesn’t happen in the good public schools. You could have sent your child to one of those.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless a lot of parents really make a stink about it, then nothing will happen. No doubt the teacher has tried repeatedly to get admin to take action, and they have refused. It's all too common.
Then teachers quit and turnover increases. Why would admin refuse to take action?
Because they have bosses, who have bosses, who have bosses...and in the mix are school boards and taxpayers and politicians. And as you get further and further out you get a very low percentage of people who actually spend time in schools.
Americans have gotten to a place where it's easier to blame teachers and principals than it is to blame caregivers and families.
Anonymous wrote:You and the other parents need to become such a nuisance to the administration that the nuisance of actually dealing with the violent child is preferable for them.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless a lot of parents really make a stink about it, then nothing will happen. No doubt the teacher has tried repeatedly to get admin to take action, and they have refused. It's all too common.
Then teachers quit and turnover increases. Why would admin refuse to take action?
Anonymous wrote:What has changed is that NOTHING happens to the violent kid.
When I started teaching 25 years ago, kids who tried to violently lash out and/or destroy a classroom were restrained and prevented from doing so. Then they were often suspended so their parents were motivated to deal with the issue. They weren't kept in a classroom for YEARS doing the same thing over and over again.
It is incomprehensible that we are allowing students whether they are 5 or 7 or 12 or 15 year the power to control the classroom, assault other students and staff, and if they please to destroy rooms and cause the entire class to evacuate the classroom. That is an insane level of power to give a kid. Many of these kids are pretty clever and realize there are no consequences. Everything is now based on positives.
The toll this is taking on both general ed. teachers and special education teachers is catastrophic. As more and more special ed teachers quit, there are fewer places to send violent students so they are in general ed. classes. General ed. teachers are getting burned out because they have to do too much and are tired of one or two really disruptive kids making teaching insufferable . Districts have realized they can save money by trying to include most students. Many of these students need a smaller teacher to staff ratio and those classes are disappearing.
There really aren't many jobs were you are expected to be hit, kicked, bit, spit on, and sworn at on a weekly or daily basis and then blamed for not doing enough. A 6 year old shoots a teacher and the school district response is - well that's to be expected, that's one of the dangers of teaching.
Then your workplace gets destroyed by one child as well and you aren't reimbursed for all the items you purchased with your own money and all the time you spent making the classroom a pleasing place.
Now add to that the trauma other students are witnessing on a DAILY basis. Imagine going to work with a co-worker who throws things at you when you are trying to work, will rip up the paper you just completed, who might attack you, yell profanities at you, cause you to have to evacuate your office two to three times a week. It is so sad to hear how happy kids are when the massive behavior problem kid isn't there. They sense their teacher is ecstatic as well.
If you are a parent who has a kid in this situation, sorry it most likely isn't going to get better. After my kid got hit in the head with a rock, had to evacuate his class once a week, and saw how stressed his teacher was I decided to move him mid-year to a private school. There were just way too many problem kids in his cohort that were sucking the life out of his classes.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless a lot of parents really make a stink about it, then nothing will happen. No doubt the teacher has tried repeatedly to get admin to take action, and they have refused. It's all too common.
Then teachers quit and turnover increases. Why would admin refuse to take action?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless a lot of parents really make a stink about it, then nothing will happen. No doubt the teacher has tried repeatedly to get admin to take action, and they have refused. It's all too common.
Then teachers quit and turnover increases. Why would admin refuse to take action?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"
How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?
My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.
what is his diagnosis?
I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.
No you don’t.
Maybe they set up an eligibility meeting, but it takes a month to set that up.
Maybe they instituted a new behavior plan and it’s not working.
Maybe they’re documenting new strategies to build a case for a different placement.
Maybe the kid is in the process of getting tested.
The school legally has to protect the child’s privacy, so there could be a whole kerfluffle behind the scenes and you wouldn’t know until next year when the kid is grouped with the special ed cluster. The process is s l o w.
Anonymous wrote:What has changed is that NOTHING happens to the violent kid.
When I started teaching 25 years ago, kids who tried to violently lash out and/or destroy a classroom were restrained and prevented from doing so. Then they were often suspended so their parents were motivated to deal with the issue. They weren't kept in a classroom for YEARS doing the same thing over and over again.
It is incomprehensible that we are allowing students whether they are 5 or 7 or 12 or 15 year the power to control the classroom, assault other students and staff, and if they please to destroy rooms and cause the entire class to evacuate the classroom. That is an insane level of power to give a kid. Many of these kids are pretty clever and realize there are no consequences. Everything is now based on positives.
The toll this is taking on both general ed. teachers and special education teachers is catastrophic. As more and more special ed teachers quit, there are fewer places to send violent students so they are in general ed. classes. General ed. teachers are getting burned out because they have to do too much and are tired of one or two really disruptive kids making teaching insufferable . Districts have realized they can save money by trying to include most students. Many of these students need a smaller teacher to staff ratio and those classes are disappearing.
There really aren't many jobs were you are expected to be hit, kicked, bit, spit on, and sworn at on a weekly or daily basis and then blamed for not doing enough. A 6 year old shoots a teacher and the school district response is - well that's to be expected, that's one of the dangers of teaching.
Then your workplace gets destroyed by one child as well and you aren't reimbursed for all the items you purchased with your own money and all the time you spent making the classroom a pleasing place.
Now add to that the trauma other students are witnessing on a DAILY basis. Imagine going to work with a co-worker who throws things at you when you are trying to work, will rip up the paper you just completed, who might attack you, yell profanities at you, cause you to have to evacuate your office two to three times a week. It is so sad to hear how happy kids are when the massive behavior problem kid isn't there. They sense their teacher is ecstatic as well.
If you are a parent who has a kid in this situation, sorry it most likely isn't going to get better. After my kid got hit in the head with a rock, had to evacuate his class once a week, and saw how stressed his teacher was I decided to move him mid-year to a private school. There were just way too many problem kids in his cohort that were sucking the life out of his classes.
Anonymous wrote:Unless a lot of parents really make a stink about it, then nothing will happen. No doubt the teacher has tried repeatedly to get admin to take action, and they have refused. It's all too common.