Anonymous
09/11/2024 18:20
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She won for sure. He didn’t do well. Both are true. Also true that the moderators didn’t ask her any real hard questions. They did ask her about fracking and they did ask her about whether she believed in abortion up to 9 month. But she didn’t answer either. She said she signed the tie breaking vote for fracking. That didn’t explain her view. She had a positive day but she skated in a lot of fluff and vibes and smiling teeth and hand motions. Light in substance as always and moderators let her.
Like she said, it’s insulting to women to even ask that question. Of course no one thinks murder infanticide should be legal.
But at what month of pregnancy is it not ok to abort?...
When the fetus is viable.
As medical technology expands, the date of viability goes back further and further though. Right now, a baby that’s 22 weeks old can survive with deep medical intervention.
Some babies have survived birth in the first trimester. So much for a clump of cells
Anonymous
09/11/2024 17:33
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:?
The standards you hold her to vs Trump are absurd! Did you know in the US doctors are allowed to abort/murder full term babies born alive? /s.
Just look up with Governor Northam said. He is a doctor. He said what Trump described. It’s on video. It is real and it was the whole truth out load. Hard core abortion rights people believe a mother should have complete choice to eliminate her child the entire term and upon birth. She wasn’t forced to admit she wants no restrictions but that he has view. But don’t act like he lied. Northam said those things.
Governor Northam was asked what would happen if a mother who had already started labor, and had a fetus that was going to be non-viable, requested an abortion in the middle of her labor.
What he said was, in that case the labor would continue. When the baby was born, with severe deformities and not expected to live (i.e. no surgery could correct the hole in the heart or repair the brain damage etc) then the baby would be made comfortable and allowed to die (because again, no surgery or treatment would help - that's the definition of non-viable, right?)
What exactly do YOU think should happen, if a mother is in labor and requests an abortion in the middle of the labor?
(Surely the question is, can the mother request the abortion before labor begins, because her fetus is not expected to live? But he wasn't answering that question.)
Anonymous
09/11/2024 16:57
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought they did a great job fact-checking Trump. And, to be fair, a non-existent job of fact checking Harris. And obviously had no interest in pressing her to give a straight answer when she dodged the “do you think voters are better off than they were four years ago?” Question (she doesn’t, but they don’t want to make her SAY that) and when she avoided answering whether she supports limits on abortion in 7th, 8th, 9th month (she doesn’t, but again they don’t want to make her SAY that).
But did anyone think it was weird that they said nothing when she claimed to have been at the Capitol on Jan 6 when she was actually at DNC headquarters???
Why would she say she was there?? And why wouldn’t the moderators correct her in that assertion?
Actually, she WAS at the Capitol on January 6. She was ALSO other places on that day.
According to Politico.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/04/doj-kamala-harris-jan-6-519505
Ah—but you had to look it up, didn’t you?
I bet this is the first time you knew that she wasn’t there. And is t it odd that she wasn’t there? Why not? Wasn’t she meant to be present at the Capitol? What was she doing at the DNC headquarters and why doesn’t anyone ever ask her about it?
Is no one curious?
“THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS. THEY’RE EATING THE CATS. THEY’RE EATING THE PETS IN SPRINGFIELD.”
You all do love your conspiracies.
Appears likely a few migrants were collecting and eating geese from a pond in the park.
OTOH, geese are federally-protected waterfowl and still federal penalties are imposed on those who hunt them unlawfully. Probably worse than eating someone pet.
So there's one isolated instance of some migrants taking geese from a pond. And another isolated instance of some mentally ill lady who is NOT a migrant who apparently stomped a cat, killed it and allegedly started eating it. And from there we basically have as Trump's immigration platform: "We HAvE To SeAL ThE BorDEr AnD RoUND Up MiLLiOnS BeCAuSE tHErE ArE RovINg HOrDEs Of MiLLioNS oF MiGRANtS RAmPAgInG ThROuGH ThE StrEEtS SteaLInG CaTs AnD DoGS aND EaTiNG TheM!!!!!1!!!!"
Trump land is truly bizarro world.
And the isolated incident of RFK Jr, the Trump supporter too dumb to actually take his name off the ballot in 4 swing states, who had to backtrack and deny that he got brainworms from eating dog. After recommending a friend try dog meat while visiting Korea.
So that zero migrants eating pets and possibly one Trump surrogate.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/rfk-jr-eating-dog-vanity-fair/index.html?cid=ios_app
Anonymous
09/11/2024 16:46
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
I haven't read the entire thread, but here is what Governor Northam actually said. (And Trump could not remember his name or whether he was the previous governor of West Virginia or Virginia.)
Northam was asked what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor.
He replied, “If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” Northam says in a video from the 2019 interview being shared online. “The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
That's it. That's what he said. Which part of what he said is objectionable?
Northam was asked what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor.
He replied, “If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” Northam says in a video from the 2019 interview being shared online. “The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
That's it. That's what he said. Which part of what he said is objectionable?
Anonymous
09/11/2024 16:34
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump: I was shot at by an assassin and---
ABC: ---we need to move on we have a lot to get to.
And?
Actually it was this. Trump was given time to get his thoughts out. What did you want the moderators to say. "Tell me Kamala whether you think that Trump took a bullet to the head because of you." Not all of Trump's crazy ideas require a response.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: This is the one that weaponized. Not me. She weaponized. I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy. I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy – With the fake Russia Russia Russia investigation that went nowhere.
DAVID MUIR: We have a lot to get to. Linsey?
Honestly, I think they did Trump a favor by moving on before he could go further on this rant.
They sure did. I watched them do it repeatedly. And they were also polite and respectful, always saying "Thank you, Mr. President," before moving on to the next question. Even their facial expressions were neutral and composed. They also let him speak 5 minutes longer in total than they let her speak and let him respond to her more times than they let her respond to him.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 16:32
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump: I was shot at by an assassin and---
ABC: ---we need to move on we have a lot to get to.
And?
Actually it was this. Trump was given time to get his thoughts out. What did you want the moderators to say. "Tell me Kamala whether you think that Trump took a bullet to the head because of you." Not all of Trump's crazy ideas require a response.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: This is the one that weaponized. Not me. She weaponized. I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy. I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy – With the fake Russia Russia Russia investigation that went nowhere.
DAVID MUIR: We have a lot to get to. Linsey?
Honestly, I think they did Trump a favor by moving on before he could go further on this rant.
He was also trying to blame the left for the assassination attempt. They were moving on so as not to let him cast such atrocious blame on his competition. We all know where that could lead.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 16:30
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Moderator are not the fact checkers the other debator is. Very unusual Kamala needed the help.
Go away, Vlad. You're really obvious.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 16:29
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump: I was shot at by an assassin and---
ABC: ---we need to move on we have a lot to get to.
And?
Actually it was this. Trump was given time to get his thoughts out. What did you want the moderators to say. "Tell me Kamala whether you think that Trump took a bullet to the head because of you." Not all of Trump's crazy ideas require a response.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: This is the one that weaponized. Not me. She weaponized. I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy. I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy – With the fake Russia Russia Russia investigation that went nowhere.
DAVID MUIR: We have a lot to get to. Linsey?
Honestly, I think they did Trump a favor by moving on before he could go further on this rant.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 16:26
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:?
The standards you hold her to vs Trump are absurd! Did you know in the US doctors are allowed to abort/murder full term babies born alive? /s.
Just look up with Governor Northam said. He is a doctor. He said what Trump described. It’s on video. It is real and it was the whole truth out load. Hard core abortion rights people believe a mother should have complete choice to eliminate her child the entire term and upon birth. She wasn’t forced to admit she wants no restrictions but that he has view. But don’t act like he lied. Northam said those things.
No, Gov Northam described pallitative care. Essentially hospice for dying babies. It's tragic and horrible for families.
Even my pro-choice DH has an issue with this because he doesnt understand the realities of childbirth and thinks every parent would make the choice to do every single life saving measure and cannot wrap his head around the fact that a fetus can make it to term and not be able to survive still.
This is why its a healthcare decision and made with the information and support of clinicians. It is not a independent family position. No hospital would provide palliative care for a healthy child- they wouldnt need to. Do you know how many things you have to explicitly decline in a hospital for a newborn and how much judgement there is and how many CPS workers get called when a hospital staff member thinks a family is endangering their child? Its literally a fight sometimes to get them to not give your baby a bath or to keep them in the room while they perform their checks/sticks.
My DD is a physician who has been at births of babies born without brains - some parents insist on hooking them up to all kinds of machines while other parents just hold their baby in their arms until they die. It's an extremely emotional time for all present.