My dad definitely loved his kids and now his grandkids. He lives nearby and whenever he shows up they all race to the door. He doesn’t spoil them except with affection and it’s a delight to see.

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I remember watching Jimmy Kimmel and the dad’s couldn’t even get their kid’s birthday’s right. The mom’s knew all the answer’s

You do know those are set up that way, right? It is funny because we can all laugh at the old Dad doesn't know anything trope. One of the view stereotypes we are still allowed to relish in. Wouldn't be funny if they showed the Dads that do know.

It’s not set up in that the dad stands there and PRETENDS to not know any answers. He really doesn’t.

If they put on multiple dads who could rattle off their kids teachers, doctors, best friends names, I’d applaud that and be ecstatic.

I don’t they have the data or tape to do that though.

I don’t come from an affluent background but consider the example of my father and my father’s father to be a legacy more valuable than any amount of money

In particular, my dad made it clear that my brother, my two sisters and I - along with my mom - were the most important things in the world to him. Even if he wasn’t the most effusive or demonstrative person, he was always there for our events, always treated us with kindness and respect, always prioritized us over anything else he was doing if we needed him

I never had one of those phases where I thought my dad was dumb. He always was - and remains, even though he never went to college - the first person I turn to when I have a difficult situation I’m trying to navigate

I hope (and, on my good days, believe) I’m that kind of father to my kids. I see the same in my brother, and in the great guys my sisters married. It comes as no surprise to me that the example of their father led them to spend their lives with guys who treat them and their kids like our dad treated our mom and his kids

So, in response to the original question, I have seen that it is possible for men to love their children exactly as much as women do. With their whole hearts

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I remember watching Jimmy Kimmel and the dad’s couldn’t even get their kid’s birthday’s right. The mom’s knew all the answer’s

You do know those are set up that way, right? It is funny because we can all laugh at the old Dad doesn't know anything trope. One of the view stereotypes we are still allowed to relish in. Wouldn't be funny if they showed the Dads that do know.

This is a silly question. Of course, normal men love their children as much their wives. My dad is the most giving, caring and attentive parent one could ask for, so is DH. In fact, DH takes a lot more stress when it comes to our kids, he is very involved and truly capable of sacrificing his needs and time for them. OP, you need to hang out with better quality men.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a different kind of love.

I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

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And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

Me too. Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy.!
She can deal with whatever else the kids need.

Women can't accept that a dad has reconnected with his kids with her being out of the picture lol. So let's label him disney dad because sure only women know how to raise kids.

Like they said, Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy! Dealing with kids’ needs, development, and issues is not.

Why do women today complain so much about raising kids? For example you don't hear single dads complaining as much. However the equivalent single mom OMG she won't stop

Nothing to complain about here, easy peasy! Out of sight, out of mind.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a different kind of love.

I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

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And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

? why? Did your love for you kids increase after your divorce? Did you see them as a reflection of your feelings for your ex? How sad for them.

I don't like my ex wife. Even when we were married whenever she wasn't around I wouldn't enjoy being around our kids. Pre and post divorce when she is absent I love being a dad. She was a difficult person I didn't like that her only parental style was yelling. And now my son no longer acts up in school, he is back to being the great student he as always been and has resumed fencing as well. He seems to be enjoying the separation away from her as well. It's sad sure. But this is a women's forum so y'all can defend her I get it.

You hated being around your kid because of the way you ex was acting? Wow that's said. If you knew she was being crazy, you should've shielded your son rather than not wanting to be around him.

Your post just supports what many have stated on here, which is basically, dads don't like to do the hard, dirty work of raising kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a different kind of love.

I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

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And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

Me too. Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy.!
She can deal with whatever else the kids need.

Women can't accept that a dad has reconnected with his kids with her being out of the picture lol. So let's label him disney dad because sure only women know how to raise kids.

Like they said, Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy! Dealing with kids’ needs, development, and issues is not.

Why do women today complain so much about raising kids? For example you don't hear single dads complaining as much. However the equivalent single mom OMG she won't stop

lol.. this whole thread.... whooosh... right over your head.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a different kind of love.

I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

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And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

Me too. Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy.!
She can deal with whatever else the kids need.

Women can't accept that a dad has reconnected with his kids with her being out of the picture lol. So let's label him disney dad because sure only women know how to raise kids.

Like they said, Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy! Dealing with kids’ needs, development, and issues is not.

Why do women today complain so much about raising kids? For example you don't hear single dads complaining as much. However the equivalent single mom OMG she won't stop

I don't know any true "single dads." I know dads who co-parent, moms who co-parent, and true single moms. Most moms who co-parent and have partners who pull their weight remark that they now have free time for the first time since they had kids. Sadly, some couples create established roles that they can't break within their marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I ask this because all the men that I know spend very little time with their kids. They provide financially but make very little effort to spend time with their kids or parent. It seems like many men love the idea of a family but don’t actually want to be an active parent.

I remember watching Jimmy Kimmel and the dad’s couldn’t even get their kid’s birthday’s right. The mom’s knew all the answer’s

The problem is that you are thinking that spending time with the kids equals loving them. You can spend time with kids and hate them. There are different ways to show love.
Men and women express love differently.

I've always heard that for men, they need to physically spend time with a woman to maintain that connection. Is that not the same for their relationship with their kids?

Ewwww

Why is that ewww? You have a dirty mind.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a different kind of love.

I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

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And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

Me too. Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy.!
She can deal with whatever else the kids need.

Women can't accept that a dad has reconnected with his kids with her being out of the picture lol. So let's label him disney dad because sure only women know how to raise kids.

Like they said, Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy! Dealing with kids’ needs, development, and issues is not.

Why do women today complain so much about raising kids? For example you don't hear single dads complaining as much. However the equivalent single mom OMG she won't stop

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a different kind of love.

I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

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And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

Me too. Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy.!
She can deal with whatever else the kids need.

Women can't accept that a dad has reconnected with his kids with her being out of the picture lol. So let's label him disney dad because sure only women know how to raise kids.

Like they said, Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy! Dealing with kids’ needs, development, and issues is not.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a different kind of love.

I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

-dp

And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

? why? Did your love for you kids increase after your divorce? Did you see them as a reflection of your feelings for your ex? How sad for them.

I don't like my ex wife. Even when we were married whenever she wasn't around I wouldn't enjoy being around our kids. Pre and post divorce when she is absent I love being a dad. She was a difficult person I didn't like that her only parental style was yelling. And now my son no longer acts up in school, he is back to being the great student he as always been and has resumed fencing as well. He seems to be enjoying the separation away from her as well. It's sad sure. But this is a women's forum so y'all can defend her I get it.

It’s absolutely her fault you were like that. Absolutely.

So awesome that not having you and the mom in the same household has made the kid more peaceful and successful.

Who’d have thunk that from reading your many posts!?! Golly gee.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a different kind of love.

I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

-dp

And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

Me too. Disney dad’ing it is fun and easy.!
She can deal with whatever else the kids need.

Women can't accept that a dad has reconnected with his kids with her being out of the picture lol. So let's label him disney dad because sure only women know how to raise kids.

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I rarely see men who truly try to improve as a parent and not make the mistakes their parents did. It’s more that they try their best, and if their kid gets messed up, they don’t worry about it.

Sort of like romantic relationships. Women are generally the ones who read relationship books and take responsibility for monitoring how the relationship is going. Men rarely do that.

Also far less guilt and shame.

You are dumb and narrow minded

I think it's a generalization, but it's true for many men.

-dp

And many women. So what’s your point?

My point is that more men do this than women. Why do you think the term "deadbeat dad" exists, and not "deadbeat mom" ? Because dads leaving their kids is a lot more common than moms doing so.

Women are generally more connected to their children than men.

Generalize much?

But the PP is right. Men, when they divorce, often walk away from their kids. They threaten their exes with non-payment of support, they TELL THEIR KIDS they won't support them if their mom does XYZ. They put conditions on their love for their children.

Not all men. And occasionally women walk away, but those women are OUTLIERS. They are often mentally ill, or maybe have a drug or alcohol problem. But everybody -EVERYBODY- can probably think of at least ONE man who has been a sup-par father after leaving the mom. One of my cousins -- has littered the state with little kids he doesn't see or support. My sibling's ex put conditions on seeing his child based on what my sister did. Two neighbors divorced - I haven't seen the dads again. The bad behaviour is everywhere.

Oh man I guess I should tap myself on the back because I am now more involved with my kids that I have been before my divorce. For this reason I am glad I am divorced because when I was married I didn't want to be around my kids as much as I do now.

? why? Did your love for you kids increase after your divorce? Did you see them as a reflection of your feelings for your ex? How sad for them.

I don't like my ex wife. Even when we were married whenever she wasn't around I wouldn't enjoy being around our kids. Pre and post divorce when she is absent I love being a dad. She was a difficult person I didn't like that her only parental style was yelling. And now my son no longer acts up in school, he is back to being the great student he as always been and has resumed fencing as well. He seems to be enjoying the separation away from her as well. It's sad sure. But this is a women's forum so y'all can defend her I get it.