Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:52     Subject: She picked Tim

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Anonymous wrote:Shapiro was the better pick. Would have gotten her PA.

But she would have lost Michigan in return as so so many Muslim voters there pissed at Biden for Gaza response….

Shapiro would have caused party infighting which is sad to see a Jewish politician as controversial…


I don’t think Jewish politicians are controversial. I think politicians who behaved the was he has specifically (writing negatively about Palestinians, not responding to Islamophobia and crimes against Muslims in PA, and yes volunteering for the IDF in whatever capacity) are controversial.


This. If even one-quarter of your loyalty is to Israel and not to the United States, you should not be running for vice president or president of the USA.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:52     Subject: She picked Tim

Anonymous wrote:Tim Walz is an excellent choice. MAGA is mad because Walz will help Harris draw never-Trumpers and independents to their ticket.

+1 yes indeedy. They’re just a little mad now, but in a few days when they’ve really had a chance to think about it, they’re going to be howling. They thought they could use Gaza/Israel as a divisive issue, but that didn’t work.

(I’m kind of curious what Kelly’s red flag was.)
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Post 08/06/2024 09:52     Subject: She picked Tim

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Anonymous wrote:Great. Another old white guy.

He’s the same age as Harris who’s being described as “young”


Both of them should have gotten a facelift before running for President or VP. Too late for that now, so another missed opportunity to gain an edge over the republicans.

1. Harris and Walz look fine (great, even).
2. Facelifts look weird. Did you not see the disastrous facelifts of Guilfoyle and Gaetz at the RNC?



Republicans like them as fake and plastic as possible. Be best!
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:52     Subject: Re:She picked Tim

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Anonymous wrote:She went with the progressive. She has not altered from her progressive roots.

Seems that anti-semitism on the left caused her to discard Shapiro. Expect campaign ads from the opposition to highlight this.


He is a liberal like Biden, not a progressive. There is a difference.



+1 Yes, a pragmatic liberal. More like Biden, far removed from Bernie.


+1. He also has the folksy charm like a Warren Buffett. I imagine he can bring up stories of growing up in Nebraska, teaching in South Dakota or being in Congress in rural Minnesota. America loves a true "log-cabin", salt of the earth type.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:51     Subject: She picked Tim

CNBC: Minnesoata is the 6th most business-friendly state in the country

I don't think the business community should fear this ticket.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:51     Subject: She picked Tim

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Anonymous wrote:Great. Another old white guy.


He is 60.


He looks like he’s 80 years old though. So I’m not sure this matters unfortunately.


He looks old enough to be a grownup but does not read as infirm or on the decline in the least. I think his age/look is an advantage. He looks reassuring. Plus he just seems like such a joyful mensch.



Agree, he has sweet quick-witted grandpa energy. Remember how much the kids loved Bernie!


Great point.



+1 He's damn lovable, be honest the only truly likeable person on either ticket. He'll be a huge asset.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:50     Subject: She picked Tim

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shapiro was the better pick. Would have gotten her PA.

But she would have lost Michigan in return as so so many Muslim voters there pissed at Biden for Gaza response….

Shapiro would have caused party infighting which is sad to see a Jewish politician as controversial…


Look in the pro Israel crowd so many people were upset with Shapiro for backing down on his statements about Palestinians. They were calling him a race traitor and worst. It is very scary.


Link?
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:49     Subject: Re:She picked Tim

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She went with the progressive. She has not altered from her progressive roots.

Seems that anti-semitism on the left caused her to discard Shapiro. Expect campaign ads from the opposition to highlight this.


He is a liberal like Biden, not a progressive. There is a difference.



+1 Yes, a pragmatic liberal. More like Biden, far removed from Bernie.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:49     Subject: She picked Tim

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jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Great. Another old white guy.


He is 60.


He looks like he’s 80 years old though. So I’m not sure this matters unfortunately.

He looks like a typical six-year-old dad from the Midwest or the south or any place outside of an urban area


Who cares? He's 60 and almost two decades younger than Trump. In 4 or 8 years, he can run in a primary against other established Democratic politicians and we can debate his age then. I see nothing wrong with this pick as VP. He also energizes turnout amongst Democrats and hopefully the youth.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:49     Subject: She picked Tim

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Great. Another old white guy.

He’s the same age as Harris who’s being described as “young”


Both of them should have gotten a facelift before running for President or VP. Too late for that now, so another missed opportunity to gain an edge over the republicans.

1. Harris and Walz look fine (great, even).
2. Facelifts look weird. Did you not see the disastrous facelifts of Guilfoyle and Gaetz at the RNC?
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:47     Subject: She picked Tim

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Great. Another old white guy.


He is 60.


He looks like he’s 80 years old though. So I’m not sure this matters unfortunately.

He looks like a typical six-year-old dad from the Midwest or the south or any place outside of an urban area
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:47     Subject: She picked Tim

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Anonymous wrote:Doofus that gets her no improved chances on the electoral map. Done to satisfy the fringe who probably won’t vote anyway.


Right?! Why didn’t she pick Shapiro and try to make a battle for PA? Did Shapiro not want it? Did the opposition research find stuff on him or Kelly? This is “meh” for me but maybe he’ll surprise us?


If she’s going to get PA, it will be on her own, she doesn’t need the state’s gov to carry the state. I like Shapiro a lot but his previous statements are a distraction in this current political environment. People have short memories though and who knows what the landscape will look like in ~10 years, when he’ll be 61 - a very normal age to run for pres. Plus I think he needs to stay as Gov longer - he’s only in his first term.


Given everything going on Israel right now, the dual loyalty thing could've totally splintered the Democrats and it will always haunt Shapiro given the IDF story. I say this as a Jew who knows the antisemitic tropes too well.


Not to mention creating a constitutional crisis if he ever had to serve in her stead as Commander in Chief.


Gross antisemitism on display. Same comment would not be said about other groups.


Reform Jew here. Other groups don't volunteer for foreign military service and expect to be the leader of their domestic military. Do I agree that it's a constitutional crisis? No, not at all. And it wouldn't be an issue for most Jewish politicians. It will be an issue for Shapiro though. I'm so relieved he wasn't chosen.


He did not volunteer for foreign military service. That is misinformation. He was a volunteer. Two totally different things and very common for Jews visiting Israel to provide volunteer service. Please if you are going to speak for the Jewish community be informed.


"Bonder, Shapiro’s spokesperson, said Shapiro never engaged in military activities. He said Shapiro completed a program in high school that included a variety of service projects in Israel, including on an Israeli army base. He also worked on a farm and at a fishery in a kibbutz, Bonder said."


Doesn't matter at this point. The above is semantics given that he "volunteered on a foreign military army base" and it will sadly follow him for the rest of his career.


I don’t think this is true. I think in a few years (post Netanyahu) he will be able to rehabilitate this by saying something like when he went in the 90s it was in service of Oslo and a two state solution, or something. Right now “IDF” is closely correlated with “war crime” in people’s minds but that won’t always be true and I think he’ll recover.


I agree with this 100%

It is just too toxic for this moment in time.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:47     Subject: She picked Tim

Anonymous wrote:Shapiro was the better pick. Would have gotten her PA.

But she would have lost Michigan in return as so so many Muslim voters there pissed at Biden for Gaza response….

Shapiro would have caused party infighting which is sad to see a Jewish politician as controversial…


Look in the pro Israel crowd so many people were upset with Shapiro for backing down on his statements about Palestinians. They were calling him a race traitor and worst. It is very scary.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:47     Subject: She picked Tim

Tim Walz is an excellent choice. MAGA is mad because Walz will help Harris draw never-Trumpers and independents to their ticket.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2024 09:46     Subject: She picked Tim

Anonymous wrote:Eh. He looks like an old white man. I was resigned to male and white, but I was hoping for younger, at least.

Because you are ageist