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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? To me, if I pay for the LL and I have a time to ride and wait for my turn, I want to go in before anyone in the stand-by line.

My point is that they are IMO overselling Genie+, and making the experience suck for other people who also paid hundreds or thousands of dollars to be there (or just don’t have a LL for that particular ride).

I’d like to see stats on how many people in lightning lanes are DAS vs genie +. I don’t think genie is the reason for the overcrowding.

Maybe to fix DAS, they should make it so you can’t enter any other rides while you’re in “line” for your ride.

According to this source 60% of the scans were from DAS and not Genie +. Demand for DAS exploded once the pay per use Genie + was introduced. I read somewhere else that with DAS you will have to wait 10 mins after scanning to book another return. With Genie + you can book another right away, if you can find one.

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/04/disney-ends-inclusivity-das-ad1/

Wow. 60%?

DP here. Yep, DAS use tripled once free FP went away and G+ came out. Gee, I wonder why. Hopefully severely limiting DAS will help the waits and availability of G+. It’s salt in the wound to have pay outrageous prices for Genie and still have to wait a long time. I’m so glad they cut DAD groups from 6 to 4 too and I wish they would cut it even further. It’s the extended families clogging up the lines, not the actual DAS users.

Honestly, I'm not sure you can cut it further down below four. I think it makes more sense to limit DAS users and their groups to using DAS to ride major attractions no more than one time per day. Even though my family has used DAS, it does seem unfair to allow unlimited rides on the attractions with the longest waits when people who pay for Genie + don't even get a chance to ride once.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? To me, if I pay for the LL and I have a time to ride and wait for my turn, I want to go in before anyone in the stand-by line.

My point is that they are IMO overselling Genie+, and making the experience suck for other people who also paid hundreds or thousands of dollars to be there (or just don’t have a LL for that particular ride).

I’d like to see stats on how many people in lightning lanes are DAS vs genie +. I don’t think genie is the reason for the overcrowding.

Maybe to fix DAS, they should make it so you can’t enter any other rides while you’re in “line” for your ride.

According to this source 60% of the scans were from DAS and not Genie +. Demand for DAS exploded once the pay per use Genie + was introduced. I read somewhere else that with DAS you will have to wait 10 mins after scanning to book another return. With Genie + you can book another right away, if you can find one.

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/04/disney-ends-inclusivity-das-ad1/

Wow. 60%?

DP here. Yep, DAS use tripled once free FP went away and G+ came out. Gee, I wonder why. Hopefully severely limiting DAS will help the waits and availability of G+. It’s salt in the wound to have pay outrageous prices for Genie and still have to wait a long time. I’m so glad they cut DAD groups from 6 to 4 too and I wish they would cut it even further. It’s the extended families clogging up the lines, not the actual DAS users.

Honestly, I'm not sure you can cut it further down below four. I think it makes more sense to limit DAS users and their groups to using DAS to ride major attractions no more than one time per day. Even though my family has used DAS, it does seem unfair to allow unlimited rides on the attractions with the longest waits when people who pay for Genie + don't even get a chance to ride once.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? To me, if I pay for the LL and I have a time to ride and wait for my turn, I want to go in before anyone in the stand-by line.

My point is that they are IMO overselling Genie+, and making the experience suck for other people who also paid hundreds or thousands of dollars to be there (or just don’t have a LL for that particular ride).

I’d like to see stats on how many people in lightning lanes are DAS vs genie +. I don’t think genie is the reason for the overcrowding.

Maybe to fix DAS, they should make it so you can’t enter any other rides while you’re in “line” for your ride.

According to this source 60% of the scans were from DAS and not Genie +. Demand for DAS exploded once the pay per use Genie + was introduced. I read somewhere else that with DAS you will have to wait 10 mins after scanning to book another return. With Genie + you can book another right away, if you can find one.

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/04/disney-ends-inclusivity-das-ad1/

Wow. 60%?

DP here. Yep, DAS use tripled once free FP went away and G+ came out. Gee, I wonder why. Hopefully severely limiting DAS will help the waits and availability of G+. It’s salt in the wound to have pay outrageous prices for Genie and still have to wait a long time. I’m so glad they cut DAD groups from 6 to 4 too and I wish they would cut it even further. It’s the extended families clogging up the lines, not the actual DAS users.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? To me, if I pay for the LL and I have a time to ride and wait for my turn, I want to go in before anyone in the stand-by line.

My point is that they are IMO overselling Genie+, and making the experience suck for other people who also paid hundreds or thousands of dollars to be there (or just don’t have a LL for that particular ride).

I’d like to see stats on how many people in lightning lanes are DAS vs genie +. I don’t think genie is the reason for the overcrowding.

Maybe to fix DAS, they should make it so you can’t enter any other rides while you’re in “line” for your ride.

According to this source 60% of the scans were from DAS and not Genie +. Demand for DAS exploded once the pay per use Genie + was introduced. I read somewhere else that with DAS you will have to wait 10 mins after scanning to book another return. With Genie + you can book another right away, if you can find one.

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/04/disney-ends-inclusivity-das-ad1/

Wow. 60%?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? To me, if I pay for the LL and I have a time to ride and wait for my turn, I want to go in before anyone in the stand-by line.

My point is that they are IMO overselling Genie+, and making the experience suck for other people who also paid hundreds or thousands of dollars to be there (or just don’t have a LL for that particular ride).

I’d like to see stats on how many people in lightning lanes are DAS vs genie +. I don’t think genie is the reason for the overcrowding.

Maybe to fix DAS, they should make it so you can’t enter any other rides while you’re in “line” for your ride.

According to this source 60% of the scans were from DAS and not Genie +. Demand for DAS exploded once the pay per use Genie + was introduced. I read somewhere else that with DAS you will have to wait 10 mins after scanning to book another return. With Genie + you can book another right away, if you can find one.

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/04/disney-ends-inclusivity-das-ad1/