Anonymous wrote:People who only fly business must not travel very much or they enjoy lighting money on fire. Tickets to biz class to Europe are 8-12k which is sometimes 11200 per ticket more than flying in economy. Maybe a spouse flies so much you have a ton of points, but if you’re spending full freight 11200 more per person for a 7 hour flight you need to get an examination. I, too, have paid out of pocket for business class tickets but would never be so frivolous.

How many of you business class only passengers delight in bragging about driving a 15 year old Camry because the millionaire next door book is your bible?

Why do you "need an examination"? You can get biz to Europe for $5-6K.

Yes, you shouldn't be doing that if it's not in your budget. But if you are HNW/UHNW why wouldn't you spend on travel to be more comfortable? It means I arrive well rested---land in Europe at 8/9am, go to hotel and shower and head off for a nearly full day of exploring versus wasting the first day because I'm too tired to do much.

And yes, we drive a 7yo and 11 yo vehicle, because we love them and they are still in good shape. But we can afford to replace them whenever we need to, and pay cash for a new one. But we live in a city and rarely drive---mainly to grocery store or dr appts. Otherwise we walk everywhere or take public transportation. So why would I need to replace my 7yo car with 45K miles on it? I prefer to spend my money on travel and dining out

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Anonymous wrote:Our hhi is about $1m and it would never ever in a million years occur to me to fly business/first. My parents only fly first and have my whole life.

That's interesting. So they were in first class and left you in coach?

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We have left our kids back in economy/econmy plus once they were 10+. Kids were well behaved and were always only 5-6 rows behind us- so easy to check on them.
Have also flow from DC to Hawaii and left my parents back in economy plus with the kids while we flew first. They were all just happy to be going to Hawaii and didn't care. Given that I was 17 before I ever flew for first time, I think my kids should just be grateful they get to go on so many vacations that I didn't get to do.

Fully agree. If you are 16 and flying to Europe in economy, you are doing well. No need to spend another one or two thousand dollars to go business. Once you are in your 50s it becomes a lot less comfortable.

I see absolutely no problem in kids flying in a separate class (once they are old enough).

Yeah, I'd never leave my 8 yo sitting alone. Earliest we did it was with our 8 yo and 12 yo. They were seated together and had no issues. They were 3 rows behind us, I could see them if I stood up.

And yes, once in your late 40s/50s long haul flights takes a toll. If you can afford it, it is so worth the upgrade.

But if I upgrade my kids as well, that is $2-4K less (or more) we can spend on the vacation activities/dining out.

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Anonymous wrote:750k hhi we do business for most flights, though we often put the kids (late teens) in economy. I have a bad back so flying economy can be very painful/dangerous for me.

You also have a bad heart - shoving your kids in economy while lounging in style.

Why a "bad heart"? When the kids earn the money to pay for first/business they are free to purchase it themselves. Until then, they should be appreciative of just going on the trip/vacation.

DP. I would never leave my kids behind in economy. Some people sound so selfish.

Why not? Is your 12 yo or 16 yo not capable of behaving without you right next to them?

I'm getting too old to sit in economy plus for a long flight, when I have the $$$ to upgrade. So we sit in first/business. The teen doesn't need us to spend an extra $3-4K for them to sit in business. Sure they'd like it, but they are a teen and there's a lot they "like" that they don't get.

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

We should definately not publicly fat shame. But the airlines should require anyone who does not fit in their seat to purchase a 2nd seat (or purchase first class to fit). It's not my fault you are too big for the seat and I should not be required to let you encroach on my seat. I paid for my seat and my space, I didn't pay for only 75% of my seat

Does this go for manspreaders too? Because I can guarantee you that inconsiderate men who "need" to cross or spread their legs have taken up my space on airline seats far more than fat people who are generally quite considerate about space on airline seats. As in, they notice how much space they are taking and try to be considerate.

People who only fly business must not travel very much or they enjoy lighting money on fire. Tickets to biz class to Europe are 8-12k which is sometimes 11200 per ticket more than flying in economy. Maybe a spouse flies so much you have a ton of points, but if you’re spending full freight 11200 more per person for a 7 hour flight you need to get an examination. I, too, have paid out of pocket for business class tickets but would never be so frivolous.

How many of you business class only passengers delight in bragging about driving a 15 year old Camry because the millionaire next door book is your bible?

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:Our hhi is about $1m and it would never ever in a million years occur to me to fly business/first. My parents only fly first and have my whole life.

That's interesting. So they were in first class and left you in coach?

DP:

We have left our kids back in economy/econmy plus once they were 10+. Kids were well behaved and were always only 5-6 rows behind us- so easy to check on them.
Have also flow from DC to Hawaii and left my parents back in economy plus with the kids while we flew first. They were all just happy to be going to Hawaii and didn't care. Given that I was 17 before I ever flew for first time, I think my kids should just be grateful they get to go on so many vacations that I didn't get to do.

Fully agree. If you are 16 and flying to Europe in economy, you are doing well. No need to spend another one or two thousand dollars to go business. Once you are in your 50s it becomes a lot less comfortable.

I see absolutely no problem in kids flying in a separate class (once they are old enough).

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Anonymous wrote:750k hhi we do business for most flights, though we often put the kids (late teens) in economy. I have a bad back so flying economy can be very painful/dangerous for me.

You also have a bad heart - shoving your kids in economy while lounging in style.

Why a "bad heart"? When the kids earn the money to pay for first/business they are free to purchase it themselves. Until then, they should be appreciative of just going on the trip/vacation.

DP. I would never leave my kids behind in economy. Some people sound so selfish.

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Anonymous wrote:750k hhi we do business for most flights, though we often put the kids (late teens) in economy. I have a bad back so flying economy can be very painful/dangerous for me.

You also have a bad heart - shoving your kids in economy while lounging in style.

Why a "bad heart"? When the kids earn the money to pay for first/business they are free to purchase it themselves. Until then, they should be appreciative of just going on the trip/vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:Our hhi is about $1m and it would never ever in a million years occur to me to fly business/first. My parents only fly first and have my whole life.

That's interesting. So they were in first class and left you in coach?

DP:

We have left our kids back in economy/econmy plus once they were 10+. Kids were well behaved and were always only 5-6 rows behind us- so easy to check on them.
Have also flow from DC to Hawaii and left my parents back in economy plus with the kids while we flew first. They were all just happy to be going to Hawaii and didn't care. Given that I was 17 before I ever flew for first time, I think my kids should just be grateful they get to go on so many vacations that I didn't get to do.

Anonymous wrote:750k hhi we do business for most flights, though we often put the kids (late teens) in economy. I have a bad back so flying economy can be very painful/dangerous for me.

You also have a bad heart - shoving your kids in economy while lounging in style.

Our HHI is $220k. I generally purchase Y fares and then purchase the instant upgrade to F if it's under $200 a segment. We never fly internationally, though.

Anonymous wrote:Our hhi is about $1m and it would never ever in a million years occur to me to fly business/first. My parents only fly first and have my whole life.

That's interesting. So they were in first class and left you in coach?

Anonymous wrote:I love flying first class! It's worth it to me to pay more.
- I like boarding whenever during the boarding process and knowing I'll always have space in the overhead for my suitcase.
- I like having access to a bathroom that isn't always occupied.
- I like that if I want to recline my seat, I won't be in the lap of the poor person behind me.
- I don't know if this is actually the case, but airlines seem more willing to be accommodating if I need to change flights and/or have a tight connection if I'm on a first class ticket
- Flight attendants are nicer. May not be fair, but that's what I have noticed.
- Seats are way more comfortable
- I even like the pre-takeoff water/ mimosa/ champagne.

Who wouldn't!

If you can afford it, go for it. We do 90% of time. Anything over 3-4hours we fly business/first

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

We should definately not publicly fat shame. But the airlines should require anyone who does not fit in their seat to purchase a 2nd seat (or purchase first class to fit). It's not my fault you are too big for the seat and I should not be required to let you encroach on my seat. I paid for my seat and my space, I didn't pay for only 75% of my seat