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Anonymous wrote:Theory- the Uber did kick them out on the highway and the driver didn’t end the ride until a couple minutes later after he’d exited the highway and pulled over on a side road. Then they sat on the side of 495 trying to get another cab or Uber from their phones, had no luck, and then they got separated trying to figure out how to get home (maybe the husband walked one way to try to get to an exit and the woman tried to cross 495 to get to the other side of the highway to a different exit)

This is ridiculous. 3 people stuck on the side of 495 for 2 hours and not a single person driving by stops or calls 911? You understand that at any given time, there are estimated to be AT A MINIMUM 250,000 cars on the Beltway (I read this when the trucker convoy mess was here and they couldn’t figure out how to stop traffic on 495 with their 100 cars; it was because there are already so many cars at any time). So no, your fact pattern is complete nonsense and you know it.

I’m just saying that the app saying the ride ended at a certain place just means that the driver “ended the ride” on the app at that time and place. It doesn’t actually mean that’s where the riders exited the car. So the family’s claim that they were kicked out on the highway could absolutely be true! But it doesn’t explain the time gap, no. I think they could have absolutely walked up an exit ramp, wandered around looking for a way to get home, and then she wandered back down to flag a car down while the husband did something else? Seems like a dumb plan but they were probably drunk. The 2 hours is sketchy though. I wonder how they’re going to explain that.

Just stop. Seriously.

Stop what?? I’m being serious. What part of what I posted is offensive? I’m just trying to figure out in my mind what might have happened. I knew this family.

Your scenario is nonsensical and totally stupid. 3 people wandered around 495 ON THE BELTWAY for 2 hours? Listen to yourself. If you’re serious, then you need help.

No, I said I think it’s possible the Uber kicked them out on the beltway and then they walked- until they reached an exit, and then walked up the exit, and tried to find a ride or a gas station or something, couldn’t, and then tried to cross over to the other side of 495. Or tried to flag down help on 495.

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Anonymous wrote:Theory- the Uber did kick them out on the highway and the driver didn’t end the ride until a couple minutes later after he’d exited the highway and pulled over on a side road. Then they sat on the side of 495 trying to get another cab or Uber from their phones, had no luck, and then they got separated trying to figure out how to get home (maybe the husband walked one way to try to get to an exit and the woman tried to cross 495 to get to the other side of the highway to a different exit)

This is ridiculous. 3 people stuck on the side of 495 for 2 hours and not a single person driving by stops or calls 911? You understand that at any given time, there are estimated to be AT A MINIMUM 250,000 cars on the Beltway (I read this when the trucker convoy mess was here and they couldn’t figure out how to stop traffic on 495 with their 100 cars; it was because there are already so many cars at any time). So no, your fact pattern is complete nonsense and you know it.

I’m just saying that the app saying the ride ended at a certain place just means that the driver “ended the ride” on the app at that time and place. It doesn’t actually mean that’s where the riders exited the car. So the family’s claim that they were kicked out on the highway could absolutely be true! But it doesn’t explain the time gap, no. I think they could have absolutely walked up an exit ramp, wandered around looking for a way to get home, and then she wandered back down to flag a car down while the husband did something else? Seems like a dumb plan but they were probably drunk. The 2 hours is sketchy though. I wonder how they’re going to explain that.

Just stop. Seriously.

Stop what?? I’m being serious. What part of what I posted is offensive? I’m just trying to figure out in my mind what might have happened. I knew this family.

Your scenario is nonsensical and totally stupid. 3 people wandered around 495 ON THE BELTWAY for 2 hours? Listen to yourself. If you’re serious, then you need help.

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Anonymous wrote:Theory- the Uber did kick them out on the highway and the driver didn’t end the ride until a couple minutes later after he’d exited the highway and pulled over on a side road. Then they sat on the side of 495 trying to get another cab or Uber from their phones, had no luck, and then they got separated trying to figure out how to get home (maybe the husband walked one way to try to get to an exit and the woman tried to cross 495 to get to the other side of the highway to a different exit)

This is ridiculous. 3 people stuck on the side of 495 for 2 hours and not a single person driving by stops or calls 911? You understand that at any given time, there are estimated to be AT A MINIMUM 250,000 cars on the Beltway (I read this when the trucker convoy mess was here and they couldn’t figure out how to stop traffic on 495 with their 100 cars; it was because there are already so many cars at any time). So no, your fact pattern is complete nonsense and you know it.

I’m just saying that the app saying the ride ended at a certain place just means that the driver “ended the ride” on the app at that time and place. It doesn’t actually mean that’s where the riders exited the car. So the family’s claim that they were kicked out on the highway could absolutely be true! But it doesn’t explain the time gap, no. I think they could have absolutely walked up an exit ramp, wandered around looking for a way to get home, and then she wandered back down to flag a car down while the husband did something else? Seems like a dumb plan but they were probably drunk. The 2 hours is sketchy though. I wonder how they’re going to explain that.

Just stop. Seriously.

Stop what?? I’m being serious. What part of what I posted is offensive? I’m just trying to figure out in my mind what might have happened. I knew this family.

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Anonymous wrote:Theory- the Uber did kick them out on the highway and the driver didn’t end the ride until a couple minutes later after he’d exited the highway and pulled over on a side road. Then they sat on the side of 495 trying to get another cab or Uber from their phones, had no luck, and then they got separated trying to figure out how to get home (maybe the husband walked one way to try to get to an exit and the woman tried to cross 495 to get to the other side of the highway to a different exit)

This is ridiculous. 3 people stuck on the side of 495 for 2 hours and not a single person driving by stops or calls 911? You understand that at any given time, there are estimated to be AT A MINIMUM 250,000 cars on the Beltway (I read this when the trucker convoy mess was here and they couldn’t figure out how to stop traffic on 495 with their 100 cars; it was because there are already so many cars at any time). So no, your fact pattern is complete nonsense and you know it.

I’m just saying that the app saying the ride ended at a certain place just means that the driver “ended the ride” on the app at that time and place. It doesn’t actually mean that’s where the riders exited the car. So the family’s claim that they were kicked out on the highway could absolutely be true! But it doesn’t explain the time gap, no. I think they could have absolutely walked up an exit ramp, wandered around looking for a way to get home, and then she wandered back down to flag a car down while the husband did something else? Seems like a dumb plan but they were probably drunk. The 2 hours is sketchy though. I wonder how they’re going to explain that.

Just stop. Seriously.

Police didn't say she wasn't dropped off on highway. Police said they have no evidence. That is, they don't know what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:fyi it was daylight savings, so it was only 2 hours in between, not 3. Still a large chunk of time that needs explaining.

Oh fair point.

That is interesting info but still what was she doing for 2 hours after getting out of the UBER?

I agree that it seems like slander to publicly blame the Uber driver (as the husband and go fund me are doing) when he did not drop her off on the highway, and she got hit by a car a full 2 hours later. Clearly something else happened in the meantime. And the Uber driver shouldn’t have to put up with the things being said in the go fund me, or some of the articles quoting the family members of the woman.

If the Uber driver kicked a drunk woman out of his car at 1am, then yes, he bears some fault, even if it wasn’t the actual highway. Maybe not criminal. But it’s one of the reasons to be cautious about Ubers.

Uh, no. Drunk people are often on their worst behavior. I would support any ride share driver to kick someone out for poor drunken behavior, provided there's a sidewalk around (ie, not a highway).

+1 cans kick people out too. Even thrown up in one as a drunk 25yo? Yes they pull over and say Get Out.

And if drunk 25 year old then gets hit by a car or freezes to death they can sue for violation of common carrier’s duty of care.

If they get hit by a car 2-3 hours LATER in a different location? I doubt that.

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Anonymous wrote:Theory- the Uber did kick them out on the highway and the driver didn’t end the ride until a couple minutes later after he’d exited the highway and pulled over on a side road. Then they sat on the side of 495 trying to get another cab or Uber from their phones, had no luck, and then they got separated trying to figure out how to get home (maybe the husband walked one way to try to get to an exit and the woman tried to cross 495 to get to the other side of the highway to a different exit)

This is ridiculous. 3 people stuck on the side of 495 for 2 hours and not a single person driving by stops or calls 911? You understand that at any given time, there are estimated to be AT A MINIMUM 250,000 cars on the Beltway (I read this when the trucker convoy mess was here and they couldn’t figure out how to stop traffic on 495 with their 100 cars; it was because there are already so many cars at any time). So no, your fact pattern is complete nonsense and you know it.

I’m just saying that the app saying the ride ended at a certain place just means that the driver “ended the ride” on the app at that time and place. It doesn’t actually mean that’s where the riders exited the car. So the family’s claim that they were kicked out on the highway could absolutely be true! But it doesn’t explain the time gap, no. I think they could have absolutely walked up an exit ramp, wandered around looking for a way to get home, and then she wandered back down to flag a car down while the husband did something else? Seems like a dumb plan but they were probably drunk. The 2 hours is sketchy though. I wonder how they’re going to explain that.

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Anonymous wrote:fyi it was daylight savings, so it was only 2 hours in between, not 3. Still a large chunk of time that needs explaining.

Oh fair point.

That is interesting info but still what was she doing for 2 hours after getting out of the UBER?

I agree that it seems like slander to publicly blame the Uber driver (as the husband and go fund me are doing) when he did not drop her off on the highway, and she got hit by a car a full 2 hours later. Clearly something else happened in the meantime. And the Uber driver shouldn’t have to put up with the things being said in the go fund me, or some of the articles quoting the family members of the woman.

If the Uber driver kicked a drunk woman out of his car at 1am, then yes, he bears some fault, even if it wasn’t the actual highway. Maybe not criminal. But it’s one of the reasons to be cautious about Ubers.

Uh, no. Drunk people are often on their worst behavior. I would support any ride share driver to kick someone out for poor drunken behavior, provided there's a sidewalk around (ie, not a highway).

+1 cans kick people out too. Even thrown up in one as a drunk 25yo? Yes they pull over and say Get Out.

And if drunk 25 year old then gets hit by a car or freezes to death they can sue for violation of common carrier’s duty of care.

Anonymous wrote:Theory- the Uber did kick them out on the highway and the driver didn’t end the ride until a couple minutes later after he’d exited the highway and pulled over on a side road. Then they sat on the side of 495 trying to get another cab or Uber from their phones, had no luck, and then they got separated trying to figure out how to get home (maybe the husband walked one way to try to get to an exit and the woman tried to cross 495 to get to the other side of the highway to a different exit)

This is ridiculous. 3 people stuck on the side of 495 for 2 hours and not a single person driving by stops or calls 911? You understand that at any given time, there are estimated to be AT A MINIMUM 250,000 cars on the Beltway (I read this when the trucker convoy mess was here and they couldn’t figure out how to stop traffic on 495 with their 100 cars; it was because there are already so many cars at any time). So no, your fact pattern is complete nonsense and you know it.

Theory- the Uber did kick them out on the highway and the driver didn’t end the ride until a couple minutes later after he’d exited the highway and pulled over on a side road. Then they sat on the side of 495 trying to get another cab or Uber from their phones, had no luck, and then they got separated trying to figure out how to get home (maybe the husband walked one way to try to get to an exit and the woman tried to cross 495 to get to the other side of the highway to a different exit)

Anyone heard an update on this?

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Anonymous wrote:Uber should make it prohibited to kick people out of the car regardless of vomit and drunkenness unless there is a recorded incident of violence or threat. They chose to pick up drunk people if their car gets damaged they can charge the guest.

GTFO, drunk people chose to get drunk and book a ride, they can suffer the consequences. Unless Uber forces people to disclose "I am drunk" then the responsibility doesn't fall solely on the driver.

Nope. Uber is a common carrier and has a duty of care towards passengers. They are not free to leave passengers in unsafe situations.

The contract goes both ways. Passengers have a responsibility to be safe passengers, and not damage the driver's vehicle. Passengers are not free to damage personal property or behave in a way that puts the driver at risk.

Drinking is a voluntary choice. Riding in a rideshare is a privilege, not a right.

Hello, it’s not a regular arms-length contract. There is longstanding legal precedent requiring common carriers (which Uber is under most state law) to have a duty of care towards passengers. The Uber driver cannot kick a passenger out into an unsafe situation.

Can posters obsessed with this common carrier stuff please start your own thread? There is zero evidence that the uber forced the woman out of the car on 495. ZERO. The uber receipt shows a side road, not 495 and a time stamp that is 2 hours earlier. In addition, the Virginia State Police, which is the law enforcement that governs the interstate, specifically and publicly stated that they have also found NO evidence to substantiate a claim that the woman was dropped off from her uber in the middle of 495.

So this common carrier argument is completely irrelevant. Maybe start a thread on the poor LSU student who go out of her uber last year and was struck by a car and died. But this thread, this fact pattern, has NOTHING to do with your posts, so stop hijacking this one. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:fyi it was daylight savings, so it was only 2 hours in between, not 3. Still a large chunk of time that needs explaining.

Oh fair point.

That is interesting info but still what was she doing for 2 hours after getting out of the UBER?

I agree that it seems like slander to publicly blame the Uber driver (as the husband and go fund me are doing) when he did not drop her off on the highway, and she got hit by a car a full 2 hours later. Clearly something else happened in the meantime. And the Uber driver shouldn’t have to put up with the things being said in the go fund me, or some of the articles quoting the family members of the woman.

If the Uber driver kicked a drunk woman out of his car at 1am, then yes, he bears some fault, even if it wasn’t the actual highway. Maybe not criminal. But it’s one of the reasons to be cautious about Ubers.

Uh, no. Drunk people are often on their worst behavior. I would support any ride share driver to kick someone out for poor drunken behavior, provided there's a sidewalk around (ie, not a highway).

+1 cans kick people out too. Even thrown up in one as a drunk 25yo? Yes they pull over and say Get Out.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this she was wandering around the middle lane of the outer loop near Telegraph Road exit when she got hit. That driver wasn’t charged. The info is towards the end of the article.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/03/14/driver-charged-with-dui-manslaughter-after-fatal-pedestrian-crash-on-beltway/

Sounds like it is dangerous for anyone to be on the road after midnight!!

That was an exceptionally bad evening, probably due to the weather.

It absolutely is dangerous to be on foot on 495, even the shoulder though. I feel terrible for the man in the article who was hit while changing a flat tire in the shoulder.

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Anonymous wrote:Uber should make it prohibited to kick people out of the car regardless of vomit and drunkenness unless there is a recorded incident of violence or threat. They chose to pick up drunk people if their car gets damaged they can charge the guest.

GTFO, drunk people chose to get drunk and book a ride, they can suffer the consequences. Unless Uber forces people to disclose "I am drunk" then the responsibility doesn't fall solely on the driver.

Nope. Uber is a common carrier and has a duty of care towards passengers. They are not free to leave passengers in unsafe situations.

The contract goes both ways. Passengers have a responsibility to be safe passengers, and not damage the driver's vehicle. Passengers are not free to damage personal property or behave in a way that puts the driver at risk.

Drinking is a voluntary choice. Riding in a rideshare is a privilege, not a right.

Hello, it’s not a regular arms-length contract. There is longstanding legal precedent requiring common carriers (which Uber is under most state law) to have a duty of care towards passengers. The Uber driver cannot kick a passenger out into an unsafe situation.

Good thing the police have completely negated the family’s claim that the Uber driver kicked them out on the highway. The woman died multiple hours after her Uber ride, which ended NOT on the highway.