Admittedly, I don’t think social justice needs to be incorporated into every single physics lab (that sounds silly), but occasionally why not?

Why not highlight more female scientists or mathematicians (or black or brown or Asian ones) in class given that science texts tend to ignore their contributions?

White men used to run this country and they took 100% of the credit for everything great that happened when they were not 100% responsible for everything great that happened.

That lie still exists in print and responsible educators SHOULD be integrating the untold stories of Americans into coursework.
DEI helps to facilitate and bring attention to this aspect of education.

Anonymous wrote:If you want to get rid of the name DEI, fine, but the numerous legitimate and incredible purposes of DEI then need to be incorporated into some other office (perhaps, curriculum and instruction).

DEI got out of control because of white guilt. People couldn’t handle the sight of numerous innocent lifeless black bodies murdered by white hands. Now that some time has passed, the guilt has dissipated and you want to “fix” things back to how they were before because you are uncomfortable. But black and brown bodies are still dying due to prejudice and yes, racism, that still exists.

There are solutions to the problem of black people dying disproportionately, both at police hands and each others'. None of them involve training seminars.

Anonymous wrote:If you want to get rid of the name DEI, fine, but the numerous legitimate and incredible purposes of DEI then need to be incorporated into some other office (perhaps, curriculum and instruction).

DEI got out of control because of white guilt. People couldn’t handle the sight of numerous innocent lifeless black bodies murdered by white hands. Now that some time has passed, the guilt has dissipated and you want to “fix” things back to how they were before because you are uncomfortable. But black and brown bodies are still dying due to prejudice and yes, racism, that still exists.

Black bodies? Wtf? I feel no guilt about what people unrelated to me did in the past.

If you want to get rid of the name DEI, fine, but the numerous legitimate and incredible purposes of DEI then need to be incorporated into some other office (perhaps, curriculum and instruction).

DEI got out of control because of white guilt. People couldn’t handle the sight of numerous innocent lifeless black bodies murdered by white hands. Now that some time has passed, the guilt has dissipated and you want to “fix” things back to how they were before because you are uncomfortable. But black and brown bodies are still dying due to prejudice and yes, racism, that still exists.

Anonymous wrote:Posters keep sharing their experiences, and someone keeps replying "this never happened." Who are you to refute someone else's experience and say "prove it"? How about you prove it didn't happen?

My worry is that DEIB is having the opposite of its intended effect. It has alienated so many who were enthusiastic supporters just a few years ago. I'm one of them.

+1

I am following these discussions closely not because I oppose the aim of DEI - to the contrary I am disturbed because I can see the current approach is not working, and very much want us as a society to get this right. Shouting down those who offer different viewpoints only hurts the end goal.

Posters keep sharing their experiences, and someone keeps replying "this never happened." Who are you to refute someone else's experience and say "prove it"? How about you prove it didn't happen?

My worry is that DEIB is having the opposite of its intended effect. It has alienated so many who were enthusiastic supporters just a few years ago. I'm one of them.

Anonymous wrote:Still, nine entire pages later. Nobody has provided any proof or detailed explanation of how DEIB is ruining your life.

There are lots of fabrications that can't be proven, and "it's getting shoved down our throats," but not a single real justification for the hate.

[qoute]At our DMV private that pushes DEI down our throats, one student stated in health class — where the MS students were learning about healthy food choices — that using the terms “red meat” (a la beef) and “white meat” (a la chicken) was “racist”

This never happened, but there are a lot of parents that will believe this. People can't be those simple.