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Anonymous wrote:True that we can count on one hand the number of black county stars. I like Darius but his fame still derives from a couple Hootie & the blowfish days. Nashville stars did a mashup of Hold My Hand at a show. Wagon Wheel is a cover of a hit.

Ludicrous comment. Darius Rucker's success as a country artist far exceeds his fame as a pop artist. If you're not familiar with country I could see why you'd think this, but inside country he is a mega star.

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Who has gone from pop/rock to country successfully?

Darius Rucker

He's just a grifter who segued to country when his soft rock career washed up. See also Kid Rock.

Why is he a grifter? He is a successful artist. He also grew up listening to country. I think he started in rock when he was in college at Univ of South Carolina and rock and roll is played in college bars.

Not really sure why Darius Rucker is even appearing in this discussion since the only thing he has in common with Bey is that he's a black crossover artist. But Rucker is legitimately one of the biggest country stars of the last decade, with Wagon Wheel one of the most played country songs of the past several decades. By contrast, Bey just dropped a vanity country album that isn't getting much play at all. I haven’t heard a single track.

Wagon Wheel was a cover song.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon_Wheel_(song)

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

You make zero sense. TS has won every country and every pop award. Bey has won zero country or pop awards.

Since 1957 only 11 black artists have won album of the year. 11, in almost 70 years.

I’m pretending that racism isn’t a thing that has impacted virtually everything, but context matters.

How many black people were in the US in 1957 and the ensuing years? Hint: they comprised a very small percentage of american demographics but their numbers have obviously increased since then.

How many black singers were in the top spots and what percentage does that equate to?

If album of the year is a popularity contest, then it is what it is…and there have been far more white Americans than black Americans. Of course, those demographics are shifting.

What are you talking about? The black percentage of the population has been remarkably stable — at about 12% — for many decades. Winning an annual prize in 11 of 70 years = 15%. Can anyone whining about representation here do math?

From 2012 to 2020, statistics showed that black artists received only 26.7% of nominations for the awards show while they represented over 38% of all artists on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[2]


I’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Here are some statistics for you.

so you think the billboard top 100 should dictate who wins grammys. So should song of the year have gone to to Macarena in 1996?

You should go back and read the thread. Some were arguing the Grammy’s are a popularity contest, so whites win. I pulled in billboard data to show even if it was a popularity contest, there are more popular black musicians that are achieving Grammy’s.

You may be attempting to make the point that just because you are on the chart, black artists don’t rate as high. That may have a little validity, but I don’t think Beyoncé falls into that category. She usually falls pretty high on the charts.

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

You make zero sense. TS has won every country and every pop award. Bey has won zero country or pop awards.

Since 1957 only 11 black artists have won album of the year. 11, in almost 70 years.

I’m pretending that racism isn’t a thing that has impacted virtually everything, but context matters.

How many black people were in the US in 1957 and the ensuing years? Hint: they comprised a very small percentage of american demographics but their numbers have obviously increased since then.

How many black singers were in the top spots and what percentage does that equate to?

If album of the year is a popularity contest, then it is what it is…and there have been far more white Americans than black Americans. Of course, those demographics are shifting.

What are you talking about? The black percentage of the population has been remarkably stable — at about 12% — for many decades. Winning an annual prize in 11 of 70 years = 15%. Can anyone whining about representation here do math?

From 2012 to 2020, statistics showed that black artists received only 26.7% of nominations for the awards show while they represented over 38% of all artists on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[2]


I’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Here are some statistics for you.

Why are you cherry picking those 8 years?

Yes, I did all the research for that. It was hard, but I just whipped that statistic out in 4 minutes going through billboard data, calculating and chose those years and began calculating!!!

Not really. I used google. It was on a Wikipedia page about Grammy’s and under representation.

I have since found this:

In contrast to the lack of women artists, artists from underrepresented racial/ethnic groups represented over half of 2021’s artists (57.2%). Across the decade examined, people of color represented 47.8% of the more than 1,900 artists on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts.

Which is even more damning to the Grammy situation.

Can't win them all. Maybe a lot of people just don't like Beyoncé's music? Her screeching hurts my ears, I'd rather not listen to it.

I don’t like listening to Harry Styles or TS but they won. I just do my best not to listen to them. We’re not on the board, so it doesn’t really matter what we think. It does matter if we don’t understand historical perspective.

Anonymous wrote:Mickey Guyton is a great up and coming Black Country Artist. I like her song Somethin about You. Very country and twangy and much better than Beyonce. She’s also from Texas

Anonymous wrote:True that we can count on one hand the number of black county stars. I like Darius but his fame still derives from a couple Hootie & the blowfish days. Nashville stars did a mashup of Hold My Hand at a show. Wagon Wheel is a cover of a hit.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think she’s “going country”, it’s just a one-off album. She’s not as big as she used to be and is trying to recapture that. Haven’t been hearing good things about the album, though.

Based on what?

Based on her being old and washed up. Astroturfed fake hype by her husband and his cronies is not genuine popularity. What was her last hit record? Drunk in Love over 10 years ago? Her most notable hit songs are from 15-25 years ago, ex Halo, Baby Boy, Irreplaceable, and the Destiny's Child songs. She's beyond washed up, no matter how much payola her husband throws around or Ed Sheeran features he pays for.

lol. Just admit you are old as F and move on from this thread. Renaissance album was huge last year. Ridiculously huge.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think she’s “going country”, it’s just a one-off album. She’s not as big as she used to be and is trying to recapture that. Haven’t been hearing good things about the album, though.

Based on what?

Based on her being old and washed up. Astroturfed fake hype by her husband and his cronies is not genuine popularity. What was her last hit record? Drunk in Love over 10 years ago? Her most notable hit songs are from 15-25 years ago, ex Halo, Baby Boy, Irreplaceable, and the Destiny's Child songs. She's beyond washed up, no matter how much payola her husband throws around or Ed Sheeran features he pays for.

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Who has gone from pop/rock to country successfully?

Darius Rucker

He's just a grifter who segued to country when his soft rock career washed up. See also Kid Rock.

Why is he a grifter? He is a successful artist. He also grew up listening to country. I think he started in rock when he was in college at Univ of South Carolina and rock and roll is played in college bars.

Not really sure why Darius Rucker is even appearing in this discussion since the only thing he has in common with Bey is that he's a black crossover artist. But Rucker is legitimately one of the biggest country stars of the last decade, with Wagon Wheel one of the most played country songs of the past several decades. By contrast, Bey just dropped a vanity country album that isn't getting much play at all. I haven’t heard a single track.