Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 19:25     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Anonymous wrote:Europe needs to cut social programs and pay for defense. We are broke.


In no way is the US broke. Idiot.

Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 19:05     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Anonymous wrote:Trump announced he wanted the US out of NATO back in 2016. This is not a surprise.

Assume he owes somebody in Russia something and didn't get it done in the first term.

It’s not a surprise but again, him saying he’d support Putin in his aggression against wherever is a step further and more despotic.

I’m sure he owes quite a bit to Vova.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 18:57     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

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Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't isolationism work? We are a huge country with ample natural resources.

The rest of the world that cares whose ancestors owned a parcel of land thousands of years ago are the ones who can eff off.

Why? Because this isn't 1950. We don't have "ample" natural resources". The birthrate in this country is only as "high" as it is because of immigrants.

Isolationist strategies do not work in a modern world.


Why not? We can't grow our own food, invent our own tech, produce our own goods and pay our people fair wages to do so? Too many rich globalists will be harmed?

Go to the grocery store right now. Look at where most of the produce comes from, especially the fruit. A lot of it comes from MX or South America.

Certain minerals that are needed for manufacturing aren't readily available in the US.

I would love to pay people fair wages. Do you honestly think Rs are for decent wages? Or is that perhaps what Dems support?

Also, don't forget that Trump owns a lot of business overseas, and he hires foreign workers. Not to mention how much the Kushners have made from helping the Chinese to buy their way into our country. Trump married two foreign women, one of which used chain migration to bring her entire family, a family that were party of the communist party in a Soviet backed country. The Trumps are the epitome of globalists.


I'm not voting for Trump.

Maybe we eat less fruit. Maybe we trade for minerals we need. I'm sure we have things those countries want. You think Mexico or India won't trade with us if we pull back on NATO?

Why does any of that necessitate us providing military support for a huge portion of the world.

You're back tracking. You talked about Isolationism, not pulling out of NATO.

Isolationism means complete closed borders to people, and even if we want to trade with India or MX, they won't want to if we have an isolationist strategy.

Business 101: a company cannot remain stagnant, and without a growing market. What you are describing is like communism where every person has a job, and all goods are produced for the people to consume. Sounds great in theory; reality is never that simple.

Capitalism likes globalism.

Maybe we eat less fruit? Are you kidding? Most Americans already don't eat enough fruit, and you want it to get even more scarce? Are you wanting people to die early of heart disease?

Also, we shouldn't pull out of NATO because history has taught us that global instability does impact us. We cannot go back to isolationism. That ship has sailed.


We can be less globalized. It's not a binary choice. Capitalism without constraints has been great for the people at the top. It's hollowed out America's working and middle class.

We can vigorously protect our own borders without expanding the territory we are responsible for defending by protecting half of Europe.

We have a ton of farmland we've destroyed by growing monoculture crops no one uses while we import cheap produce from elsewhere.

Open your mind that the current system is not sustainable and overextended empires inevitably collapse.

Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 17:57     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Trump announced he wanted the US out of NATO back in 2016. This is not a surprise.

Assume he owes somebody in Russia something and didn't get it done in the first term.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 17:52     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Anonymous wrote:I don't think we should abandon our NATO allies and encourage Putin to do whatever the hell he wants. If you support Trump despite his position on this, you are a crappy ally and terrible American.

This is it. People can bleat all they want about who is paying what where but the thing to which we should all be paying attention is to the fact that Trump is encouraging Russia’s expansionism.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 17:24     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Anonymous wrote:Europe needs to cut social programs and pay for defense. We are broke.


Our GDP was $28 trillion last year. We're not broke.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 17:23     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

I don't think we should abandon our NATO allies and encourage Putin to do whatever the hell he wants. If you support Trump despite his position on this, you are a crappy ally and terrible American.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 17:15     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Europe needs to cut social programs and pay for defense. We are broke.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 17:13     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't isolationism work? We are a huge country with ample natural resources.

The rest of the world that cares whose ancestors owned a parcel of land thousands of years ago are the ones who can eff off.

Why? Because this isn't 1950. We don't have "ample" natural resources". The birthrate in this country is only as "high" as it is because of immigrants.

Isolationist strategies do not work in a modern world.


Why not? We can't grow our own food, invent our own tech, produce our own goods and pay our people fair wages to do so? Too many rich globalists will be harmed?

Go to the grocery store right now. Look at where most of the produce comes from, especially the fruit. A lot of it comes from MX or South America.

Certain minerals that are needed for manufacturing aren't readily available in the US.

I would love to pay people fair wages. Do you honestly think Rs are for decent wages? Or is that perhaps what Dems support?

Also, don't forget that Trump owns a lot of business overseas, and he hires foreign workers. Not to mention how much the Kushners have made from helping the Chinese to buy their way into our country. Trump married two foreign women, one of which used chain migration to bring her entire family, a family that were party of the communist party in a Soviet backed country. The Trumps are the epitome of globalists.


I'm not voting for Trump.

Maybe we eat less fruit. Maybe we trade for minerals we need. I'm sure we have things those countries want. You think Mexico or India won't trade with us if we pull back on NATO?

Why does any of that necessitate us providing military support for a huge portion of the world.

You're back tracking. You talked about Isolationism, not pulling out of NATO.

Isolationism means complete closed borders to people, and even if we want to trade with India or MX, they won't want to if we have an isolationist strategy.

Business 101: a company cannot remain stagnant, and without a growing market. What you are describing is like communism where every person has a job, and all goods are produced for the people to consume. Sounds great in theory; reality is never that simple.

Capitalism likes globalism.

Maybe we eat less fruit? Are you kidding? Most Americans already don't eat enough fruit, and you want it to get even more scarce? Are you wanting people to die early of heart disease?

Also, we shouldn't pull out of NATO because history has taught us that global instability does impact us. We cannot go back to isolationism. That ship has sailed.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 17:11     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

You know when NATO was last activated? It was to help us out after 9/11
And our allies helped us out, and didn’t “send us a bill” as Trump put it.

And BTW, nations don’t pay dues to NATO, they all set a goal to pay. Some don’t hit that goal.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 17:04     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Anonymous wrote:Trump is the master of getting all the attention 24-7 / 365. A generational phenom.


The kid in my high school who hit himself, talked to himself, and got into fights got lots of attention too.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 16:53     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Trump is the master of getting all the attention 24-7 / 365. A generational phenom.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 16:49     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

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Anonymous wrote:I love how we all get whipped up each and every time Trump makes an outrageous pronouncement. The right defends him as if he’s some deep thinker with novel, profound ideas, and the left (to which I belong) panics. While I take Trump at his word, he is also obviously playing all of us by trying to hog the headlines every day that he can. Expect there to be much more crazy talk coming from him on a regular basis.


I sort of agree. The proper way to cover this is to point out how it is further demonstration of how crazy and mentally unwell he is.

+1 And it’s proof that he’s crazy and mentally unwell that he came out with this bananas stuff when everyone was talking about Hur’s report, which was benefiting him. But his malignant narcissism makes him lash out and do something crazy because he can’t stand when people aren’t talking about him.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 15:30     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Anonymous wrote:I love how we all get whipped up each and every time Trump makes an outrageous pronouncement. The right defends him as if he’s some deep thinker with novel, profound ideas, and the left (to which I belong) panics. While I take Trump at his word, he is also obviously playing all of us by trying to hog the headlines every day that he can. Expect there to be much more crazy talk coming from him on a regular basis.


I sort of agree. The proper way to cover this is to point out how it is further demonstration of how crazy and mentally unwell he is.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2024 15:25     Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger

Anonymous wrote:I love how we all get whipped up each and every time Trump makes an outrageous pronouncement. The right defends him as if he’s some deep thinker with novel, profound ideas, and the left (to which I belong) panics. While I take Trump at his word, he is also obviously playing all of us by trying to hog the headlines every day that he can. Expect there to be much more crazy talk coming from him on a regular basis.


He isn't kidding. Do YOU really want to be a part of the FOFA on this? I sure don't.