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Anonymous wrote:This will be a sad day. Counselor had already told us with wgpa 4.32, DD will not be accepted. But she still submitted the application hoping that the other aspect of her file may win over under the "holistic" review ...

DD is indeed rejected at UVA. But the letter she received was very long and strange, talking about the door to UVA remains open for her if after one year or two she is still interested. Even for graduate school?! Did anyone receive this kind of long rejection letter?! Glad she is in at VT. Not all sad at least.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

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School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

NP. PP wasn't cherry picking. Look at engineering. public policy, and others at $90K and above. But whether it is $80K or 90K, it is very expensive for a public school. Close to $50K for some of those colleges in state is crazy.

Anonymous wrote:This will be a sad day. Counselor had already told us with wgpa 4.32, DD will not be accepted. But she still submitted the application hoping that the other aspect of her file may win over under the "holistic" review ...

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

WM is one of the 6 public Ivies. 1693 —way before UVA

If you are going to post like this, learn your history. UVA was one of the first public ivies - here - not W&M! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy.

W&M gets added in by other comers long after the intitial list was created and published.

NP. There is nothing official about "public ivy." So who cares when a school was considered one?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

NP. PP wasn't cherry picking. Look at engineering. public policy, and others at $90K and above. But whether it is $80K or 90K, it is very expensive for a public school. Close to $50K for some of those colleges in state is crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

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Anonymous wrote:Mine was wait listed and I’m shocked. We were sure about rejection. But UVA lets very very few in off of wait list, right?

But you will be eligible to go the UVA-Wise route.

What is this?

If you are a Virginian placed on the wait list for the College of Arts and Sciences at UVA, you can attend UVA Wise for one year—completing 30 hours of transferrable credit and maintaining a 3.0 GPA—and then transfer to UVA Grounds in Charlottesville to complete your degree. https://www.uvawise.edu/admissions/uva-deferred-admission-agreement#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20a%20Virginian,Charlottesville%20to%20complete%20your%20degree.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

WM is one of the 6 public Ivies. 1693 —way before UVA

If you are going to post like this, learn your history. UVA was one of the first public ivies - here - not W&M! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy.

W&M gets added in by other comers long after the intitial list was created and published.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine was wait listed and I’m shocked. We were sure about rejection. But UVA lets very very few in off of wait list, right?

But you will be eligible to go the UVA-Wise route.

What is this?

If you are a Virginian placed on the wait list for the College of Arts and Sciences at UVA, you can attend UVA Wise for one year—completing 30 hours of transferrable credit and maintaining a 3.0 GPA—and then transfer to UVA Grounds in Charlottesville to complete your degree. https://www.uvawise.edu/admissions/uva-deferred-admission-agreement#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20a%20Virginian,Charlottesville%20to%20complete%20your%20degree.

all true and a great option, but (and I could be wrong) it has to be offered by UVA, right? It's not open to everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine was wait listed and I’m shocked. We were sure about rejection. But UVA lets very very few in off of wait list, right?

But you will be eligible to go the UVA-Wise route.

What is this?

If you are a Virginian placed on the wait list for the College of Arts and Sciences at UVA, you can attend UVA Wise for one year—completing 30 hours of transferrable credit and maintaining a 3.0 GPA—and then transfer to UVA Grounds in Charlottesville to complete your degree. https://www.uvawise.edu/admissions/uva-deferred-admission-agreement#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20a%20Virginian,Charlottesville%20to%20complete%20your%20degree.

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Your kid isn’t getting in.

In!