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Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Congrats, you have digested Fox News talking points and made them your own. Well done! They reported, but it really was you who decided, wasn’t it? So smart.

It’s always clear when a looney lefty has no real answer. They just scream and yell Fox or Maga or both. It’s as if they think that is a persuasive argument.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t vote for Trump in 16 or 20 and probably won’t in 24, but if I’m being honest life was good under the Trump admin. But so was it under Obama.

I remember people crying over the Trump win and just couldn’t wrap my head around it at the time. I think a lot of people just felt bad, but by the numbers, life was pretty good until COVID. And I suspect if trump were to win, my life won’t be much different.

I do lean conservative on the culture war issues though and the Dems have gone a little off the rails there, so I’ve been voting conservative in my locals.

The Titanic was an awesome cruise until it wasn't.

I’m a POC that came from nothing and on the cusp of upper middle class. My life was fine during Trump. BUT, I did think twice about trying not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. So there were certain places I wouldn’t go unless I was in a group with my white friends. I also decided to do more international travel. That wasn’t because of Trump, I had finally cracked $150k, paid off my student loans in 2017 and I have no kids. So I had resources to do more. 4-5 international trips a year, clinging closer to my white friends, largely bypassing rural America, and tuning out news—yeah I didn’t notice a difference in my life.

But then I question why I have to make these adjustments to protect myself. Never thought about these things as much before 2016.

There were no roving bands of trumpers harassing POCs. Did you believe that you would be in trouble because of Trumps influence in rural places you previously felt comfortable with? It’s always good to avoid being in the wrong place at the wrong time, though. And there were racists all over the country before trump.

There actually were. Remember the kid being chased by two guys in the south who effectively lynched him? Or the cop who sat on George Floyds neck? Or the cops who shot POC in the back? Ya, nothing to see there.

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Anonymous wrote:If businesses would stop hiring undocumented immigrants, they wouldn't come.

That's just not true.
And, you realize that both the Chicago and NY mayors are wanting to fast track work permits for people in their cities that have entered illegally?
Maybe tell them to stop.

People are coming here and are living off perks given to them by blue cities. They are getting housing, health care, education, free lunch for kids, and other goods from NGOs. And, then we have our own Veteran's Administration funding care for illegal immigrants when our own veterans cannot get the help they need. https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/news/va-ripped-for-reimbursing-migrant-treatment-as-veterans-wait/

Then, there is the rampant theft by illegal migrants in many cities. I am sure these migrants need thousands of dollar of clothing from Macy's!
https://nypost.com/2024/01/20/news/group-of-newly-arrived-migrants-allegedly-behind-string-of-burglaries-plaguing-chicago-suburb-police/

People will keep coming as long as they think they can get in. And, right now, they can.

They are fast tracking them so they can at least be productive. Otherwise, they will just starve in the streets. Or else the public will have to support them. At least this way, they can earn some money and pay into the tax system. What is your alternative, given they come regardless of who is president?

Trump voters would rather these people be placed into concentration camps along the Mexican border. If they stay in the hopes they’ll get a fair shake until international laws, then they deserve whatever parade of horribles that happens to them there.

Nope we want them to move into the neighborhoods, homes and private schools of white progressive elites.

This really needs to happen. They are the most able to absorb the burden. To flood middle class areas with the burden is immoral. The wealthy urban elites need to open their homes, schools, hospitals, private schools, doctors and neighborhoods to these people.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

Are you sure there are not a good share of Republicans there? My bleeding heart liberal friends joined the peace corps or Teach For America . They took public defender jobs or environmental justice positions. Nothing like the corporate enablers you are describing.

For you and the other PP scoffing at this: do you actually live in a wealthy neighborhood of NYC, SF or the DMV? Do you know a lot of college kids or failing that, the deans or profs at the kinds of schools that produce consultants? Because no, most of the kids hired by the largest consulting cos are not Republicans — not that it matters much.

Everything in the original post is true; for people like me in hardcore blue enclaves who are what Democrats used to be, anti-war and anti-military spending, and for protection of labor, our values are not truly represented in the upper echelons of the party any more. And that does not mean I’m voting for trump nor that I want him to win on any level.

We are still anti-war. Which is why we support diplomacy and things like providing resources to allies so they fight for democracy. Why is this hard to understand?

Wow, thank you so much for the nuances you’ve provided! Shucks, do I feel foolish. I thought that refusing to condition unapproved/Congress-bypassed ceaseless provision of munitions and money to Israel, was in fact not going to slow down the war but you’ve certainly got me.

Some of you are determined to try and a-hole yourselves out of conversation and ultimately out of voters. Not everyone here is a shill, and some of us have had genuine discontent with the party we grew up in and grew up voting for. Honestly, for me it’s tragic at this point. I am appalled by what’s happened in Gaza, I am tired of being sneered at for this. I have the privilege of sending DC to an excellent school, and I also am really troubled by the fact that a poorly funded public was forced to shutter for a day to create shelter for migrants (NYC) while FULLY acknowledging that Abbott and DeSantis shoulder this along with Biden and mayor Adams.

Not everyone is ultimately going to be convinced that not being Trump is enough, and for some, the war and border issues are going to be dissuasive. I think Biden will win, but he needs at this point to run a great campaign in the swing states.

because the Trump Administration adhered to the rule of law and will show sooooo much more compassion to the Palestians than Biden?

Trump and Netyanyahu routinely blew each others horns. Anyone who thinks a Trump win would be a blow to Netanyahu is utterly delusional - apart from the fact that Trump would give a blind eye to Russia continuing to fund, train, and arm Hamas terrorists, which is of zero benefit to the Palestinian people. It would only lead to more bloodshed and innocent Palestinian lives lost in the crossfire.

NO ONE HAS SAID WHAT YOU TWO ARE ASSERTING. However: Biden has done NOTHING to hamper Israel, Netanyahu, nor arms provision. And this might really cost him with younger voters in swing states. He needs to have good answers in Michigan in particular, where I don’t see young Muslim students or professionals necessarily working to GOTV this time.

Let them vote for Trump then.

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Anonymous wrote:If businesses would stop hiring undocumented immigrants, they wouldn't come.

That's just not true.
And, you realize that both the Chicago and NY mayors are wanting to fast track work permits for people in their cities that have entered illegally?
Maybe tell them to stop.

People are coming here and are living off perks given to them by blue cities. They are getting housing, health care, education, free lunch for kids, and other goods from NGOs. And, then we have our own Veteran's Administration funding care for illegal immigrants when our own veterans cannot get the help they need. https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/news/va-ripped-for-reimbursing-migrant-treatment-as-veterans-wait/

Then, there is the rampant theft by illegal migrants in many cities. I am sure these migrants need thousands of dollar of clothing from Macy's!
https://nypost.com/2024/01/20/news/group-of-newly-arrived-migrants-allegedly-behind-string-of-burglaries-plaguing-chicago-suburb-police/

People will keep coming as long as they think they can get in. And, right now, they can.

They are fast tracking them so they can at least be productive. Otherwise, they will just starve in the streets. Or else the public will have to support them. At least this way, they can earn some money and pay into the tax system. What is your alternative, given they come regardless of who is president?

Trump voters would rather these people be placed into concentration camps along the Mexican border. If they stay in the hopes they’ll get a fair shake until international laws, then they deserve whatever parade of horribles that happens to them there.

Nope we want them to move into the neighborhoods, homes and private schools of white progressive elites.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Congrats, you have digested Fox News talking points and made them your own. Well done! They reported, but it really was you who decided, wasn’t it? So smart.

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

Are you sure there are not a good share of Republicans there? My bleeding heart liberal friends joined the peace corps or Teach For America . They took public defender jobs or environmental justice positions. Nothing like the corporate enablers you are describing.

For you and the other PP scoffing at this: do you actually live in a wealthy neighborhood of NYC, SF or the DMV? Do you know a lot of college kids or failing that, the deans or profs at the kinds of schools that produce consultants? Because no, most of the kids hired by the largest consulting cos are not Republicans — not that it matters much.

Everything in the original post is true; for people like me in hardcore blue enclaves who are what Democrats used to be, anti-war and anti-military spending, and for protection of labor, our values are not truly represented in the upper echelons of the party any more. And that does not mean I’m voting for trump nor that I want him to win on any level.

We are still anti-war. Which is why we support diplomacy and things like providing resources to allies so they fight for democracy. Why is this hard to understand?

Wow, thank you so much for the nuances you’ve provided! Shucks, do I feel foolish. I thought that refusing to condition unapproved/Congress-bypassed ceaseless provision of munitions and money to Israel, was in fact not going to slow down the war but you’ve certainly got me.

Some of you are determined to try and a-hole yourselves out of conversation and ultimately out of voters. Not everyone here is a shill, and some of us have had genuine discontent with the party we grew up in and grew up voting for. Honestly, for me it’s tragic at this point. I am appalled by what’s happened in Gaza, I am tired of being sneered at for this. I have the privilege of sending DC to an excellent school, and I also am really troubled by the fact that a poorly funded public was forced to shutter for a day to create shelter for migrants (NYC) while FULLY acknowledging that Abbott and DeSantis shoulder this along with Biden and mayor Adams.

Not everyone is ultimately going to be convinced that not being Trump is enough, and for some, the war and border issues are going to be dissuasive. I think Biden will win, but he needs at this point to run a great campaign in the swing states.

because the Trump Administration adhered to the rule of law and will show sooooo much more compassion to the Palestians than Biden?

Trump and Netyanyahu routinely blew each others horns. Anyone who thinks a Trump win would be a blow to Netanyahu is utterly delusional - apart from the fact that Trump would give a blind eye to Russia continuing to fund, train, and arm Hamas terrorists, which is of zero benefit to the Palestinian people. It would only lead to more bloodshed and innocent Palestinian lives lost in the crossfire.

NO ONE HAS SAID WHAT YOU TWO ARE ASSERTING. However: Biden has done NOTHING to hamper Israel, Netanyahu, nor arms provision. And this might really cost him with younger voters in swing states. He needs to have good answers in Michigan in particular, where I don’t see young Muslim students or professionals necessarily working to GOTV this time.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

Are you sure there are not a good share of Republicans there? My bleeding heart liberal friends joined the peace corps or Teach For America . They took public defender jobs or environmental justice positions. Nothing like the corporate enablers you are describing.

For you and the other PP scoffing at this: do you actually live in a wealthy neighborhood of NYC, SF or the DMV? Do you know a lot of college kids or failing that, the deans or profs at the kinds of schools that produce consultants? Because no, most of the kids hired by the largest consulting cos are not Republicans — not that it matters much.

Everything in the original post is true; for people like me in hardcore blue enclaves who are what Democrats used to be, anti-war and anti-military spending, and for protection of labor, our values are not truly represented in the upper echelons of the party any more. And that does not mean I’m voting for trump nor that I want him to win on any level.

We are still anti-war. Which is why we support diplomacy and things like providing resources to allies so they fight for democracy. Why is this hard to understand?

Wow, thank you so much for the nuances you’ve provided! Shucks, do I feel foolish. I thought that refusing to condition unapproved/Congress-bypassed ceaseless provision of munitions and money to Israel, was in fact not going to slow down the war but you’ve certainly got me.

Some of you are determined to try and a-hole yourselves out of conversation and ultimately out of voters. Not everyone here is a shill, and some of us have had genuine discontent with the party we grew up in and grew up voting for. Honestly, for me it’s tragic at this point. I am appalled by what’s happened in Gaza, I am tired of being sneered at for this. I have the privilege of sending DC to an excellent school, and I also am really troubled by the fact that a poorly funded public was forced to shutter for a day to create shelter for migrants (NYC) while FULLY acknowledging that Abbott and DeSantis shoulder this along with Biden and mayor Adams.

Not everyone is ultimately going to be convinced that not being Trump is enough, and for some, the war and border issues are going to be dissuasive. I think Biden will win, but he needs at this point to run a great campaign in the swing states.

because the Trump Administration adhered to the rule of law and will show sooooo much more compassion to the Palestians than Biden?

Trump and Netyanyahu routinely blew each others horns. Anyone who thinks a Trump win would be a blow to Netanyahu is utterly delusional - apart from the fact that Trump would give a blind eye to Russia continuing to fund, train, and arm Hamas terrorists, which is of zero benefit to the Palestinian people. It would only lead to more bloodshed and innocent Palestinian lives lost in the crossfire.

NO ONE HAS SAID WHAT YOU TWO ARE ASSERTING. However: Biden has done NOTHING to hamper Israel, Netanyahu, nor arms provision. And this might really cost him with younger voters in swing states. He needs to have good answers in Michigan in particular, where I don’t see young Muslim students or professionals necessarily working to GOTV this time.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t vote for Trump in 16 or 20 and probably won’t in 24, but if I’m being honest life was good under the Trump admin. But so was it under Obama.

I remember people crying over the Trump win and just couldn’t wrap my head around it at the time. I think a lot of people just felt bad, but by the numbers, life was pretty good until COVID. And I suspect if trump were to win, my life won’t be much different.

I do lean conservative on the culture war issues though and the Dems have gone a little off the rails there, so I’ve been voting conservative in my locals.

The Titanic was an awesome cruise until it wasn't.

I’m a POC that came from nothing and on the cusp of upper middle class. My life was fine during Trump. BUT, I did think twice about trying not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. So there were certain places I wouldn’t go unless I was in a group with my white friends. I also decided to do more international travel. That wasn’t because of Trump, I had finally cracked $150k, paid off my student loans in 2017 and I have no kids. So I had resources to do more. 4-5 international trips a year, clinging closer to my white friends, largely bypassing rural America, and tuning out news—yeah I didn’t notice a difference in my life.

But then I question why I have to make these adjustments to protect myself. Never thought about these things as much before 2016.

There were no roving bands of trumpers harassing POCs. Did you believe that you would be in trouble because of Trumps influence in rural places you previously felt comfortable with? It’s always good to avoid being in the wrong place at the wrong time, though. And there were racists all over the country before trump.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?