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Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??

I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???

This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.

What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?

If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.

Because medical schools are graduate and pre-professional programs that all teach one thing (for the most part) and are far less concerned with other campus cultural things.

Did you really need that stated? I am betting you knew that.

And guess what? It is YOUR idea that is the one-or-nothing choice for the student. In the currnet system, if students get accepted to more than one university, the student gets to choose, and not the university.

Your suggestion is the one that creates the scenario you claim to dislike.

Students who are admitted will bring in all of their own interests and talents. They don't need to be "assembled". So, Harvard got one less Oboe player one year because of this. Cry me a river! Does Oxford UK not have an excellent range of student? Did they need to be curated into an assembled group? This is a bunch of AO/Univ nonsense that they have come up with to maintain total control over what they do. Don't drink the Kool-Aid...

Regarding options, let the matching apply to potentially more than one Univ for the ED round..those who don't want to play can go RD.

+1000. Univs admissions offices are oligopolies that will do practically anything to keep their power. Even faculty have zero input into what they do. Which also explains a lot.

On what do you base this position that faculty has zero input?

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Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??

I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???

This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.

What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?

If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.

Because medical schools are graduate and pre-professional programs that all teach one thing (for the most part) and are far less concerned with other campus cultural things.

Did you really need that stated? I am betting you knew that.

And guess what? It is YOUR idea that is the one-or-nothing choice for the student. In the currnet system, if students get accepted to more than one university, the student gets to choose, and not the university.

Your suggestion is the one that creates the scenario you claim to dislike.

Students who are admitted will bring in all of their own interests and talents. They don't need to be "assembled".

Yes, they do. More importantly, why should you decide and not the university?

So, Harvard got one less Oboe player one year because of this. Cry me a river!

Why should Harvard suffer one less of anything they want because you don't like ED? Also, your point is a strawman - we're not talking about "one less oboe player" - we are talking about possible massive imbalances across majors, disciplines and talents. You know elite schools have elite departments and faculty who have demands and requirements, right? Have you ever even spoken to an admissions officer about what they do, or even read one book on it?

Does Oxford UK not have an excellent range of student? Did they need to be curated into an assembled group? This is a bunch of AO/Univ nonsense that they have come up with to maintain total control over what they do. Don't drink the Kool-Aid...

American universities are different and work differently, you know that, it has been explained in 1000 threads here.

Regarding options, let the matching apply to potentially more than one Univ for the ED round..those who don't want to play can go RD.

Here's a neat idea: how about we let students apply wherever they want and let the universities choose whoever they want? Then let the student choose what they want from 1 or more acceptances? Really novel idea, right?

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Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??

I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???

This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.

What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?

If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.

Because medical schools are graduate and pre-professional programs that all teach one thing (for the most part) and are far less concerned with other campus cultural things.

Did you really need that stated? I am betting you knew that.

And guess what? It is YOUR idea that is the one-or-nothing choice for the student. In the currnet system, if students get accepted to more than one university, the student gets to choose, and not the university.

Your suggestion is the one that creates the scenario you claim to dislike.

Students who are admitted will bring in all of their own interests and talents. They don't need to be "assembled". So, Harvard got one less Oboe player one year because of this. Cry me a river! Does Oxford UK not have an excellent range of student? Did they need to be curated into an assembled group? This is a bunch of AO/Univ nonsense that they have come up with to maintain total control over what they do. Don't drink the Kool-Aid...

Regarding options, let the matching apply to potentially more than one Univ for the ED round..those who don't want to play can go RD.

Oxford assembles. They don't just admit by A levels. There are department specific exams and interviews.

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Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??

I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???

This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.

What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?

If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.

Because medical schools are graduate and pre-professional programs that all teach one thing (for the most part) and are far less concerned with other campus cultural things.

Did you really need that stated? I am betting you knew that.

And guess what? It is YOUR idea that is the one-or-nothing choice for the student. In the currnet system, if students get accepted to more than one university, the student gets to choose, and not the university.

Your suggestion is the one that creates the scenario you claim to dislike.

Students who are admitted will bring in all of their own interests and talents. They don't need to be "assembled". So, Harvard got one less Oboe player one year because of this. Cry me a river! Does Oxford UK not have an excellent range of student? Did they need to be curated into an assembled group? This is a bunch of AO/Univ nonsense that they have come up with to maintain total control over what they do. Don't drink the Kool-Aid...

Regarding options, let the matching apply to potentially more than one Univ for the ED round..those who don't want to play can go RD.

It is up to each school how they want to create their class, not you. If you look outside the T25 you simply won't have this issue. You are not entitled to a seat in the T25. It's okay, your kid will be just fine

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Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??

I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???

This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.

What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?

If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.

The vast majority of universities in the USA have admission rates over 50%. Only the T50 have lower, with a smattering in the 50-100 that are slightly lower (35-40%). There are plenty of excellent choices your kid can use as a safety/target.

And those other countries, most kids are going to university that is within 2 hours of their home, many live at home during college. They are not aiming for "elite" universities---they are just looking to get an education. Most kids in Europe are not chasing elite schools---they smartly look for something not too far from home that has their major interest (which they were often tracked onto at age 12/13.

Our system is fine---as long as you dont feel entitled to attend a T25 school.

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Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??

I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???

This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.

What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?

If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.

Because medical schools are graduate and pre-professional programs that all teach one thing (for the most part) and are far less concerned with other campus cultural things.

Did you really need that stated? I am betting you knew that.

And guess what? It is YOUR idea that is the one-or-nothing choice for the student. In the currnet system, if students get accepted to more than one university, the student gets to choose, and not the university.

Your suggestion is the one that creates the scenario you claim to dislike.

Students who are admitted will bring in all of their own interests and talents. They don't need to be "assembled". So, Harvard got one less Oboe player one year because of this. Cry me a river! Does Oxford UK not have an excellent range of student? Did they need to be curated into an assembled group? This is a bunch of AO/Univ nonsense that they have come up with to maintain total control over what they do. Don't drink the Kool-Aid...

Regarding options, let the matching apply to potentially more than one Univ for the ED round..those who don't want to play can go RD.

+1000. Univs admissions offices are oligopolies that will do practically anything to keep their power. Even faculty have zero input into what they do. Which also explains a lot.

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Great idea.

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Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??

I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???

This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.

What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?

If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.

Because medical schools are graduate and pre-professional programs that all teach one thing (for the most part) and are far less concerned with other campus cultural things.

Did you really need that stated? I am betting you knew that.

And guess what? It is YOUR idea that is the one-or-nothing choice for the student. In the currnet system, if students get accepted to more than one university, the student gets to choose, and not the university.

Your suggestion is the one that creates the scenario you claim to dislike.

Students who are admitted will bring in all of their own interests and talents. They don't need to be "assembled". So, Harvard got one less Oboe player one year because of this. Cry me a river! Does Oxford UK not have an excellent range of student? Did they need to be curated into an assembled group? This is a bunch of AO/Univ nonsense that they have come up with to maintain total control over what they do. Don't drink the Kool-Aid...

Regarding options, let the matching apply to potentially more than one Univ for the ED round..those who don't want to play can go RD.

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Anonymous wrote:ED is also a strategy employed by people who can pay full freight who have children who don’t have the stats for EA or RD. Most of the kids we know that got in ED have far less rigorous course loads and far less impressive stats than those who got in or were referred from EA. we saw this with schools like Tulane, Fairfield, Wake Forest, and Miami.

Or people just want it all to be over and their kid really likes one school and then it works out. You sounds very judgy.

Yeah, mine loved the school. She also had top stats and pretty amazing ECs in both arts and sciences and awards. We are a FA family and knew we would be able to afgord the school from NPC. Actual aid package was better than NPC. Kid is thrilled to be done.

That’s who ED was created for. The school wins by getting a guaranteed ass in the seat. The student wins by being done early with a guaranteed admit to their first choice.

What “ruined” ED is people figured they could get in with a poorer application because the admit rate was higher.

A lot of what’s driving the admissions frenzy is everyone deciding to shoot their shot at every lottery school instead of just taking a step back and thinking about a solid chance for admission for a good match school.

Was any of this a surprise? Whatever the original motivations, it is pretty clear the outcome is kind of crazy right now. Not that anyone of us has any power over the system, but..

You have the power to just not play the game and look for schools outside the T20.

The outcome is crazy because every High School Senior in America is applying to the same 50 schools.

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People who talk about a school being “too low” view college admissions as some sort of achievement or reward rather than a destination that best suits their child and their child’s passions. It’s a sad mindset.