Anonymous
12/20/2023 13:15
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any college in the depressing Rust Belt. There are too many better or equal options in growing regions with good weather and scenic surroundings.
I was in Pittsburgh for a week on business last year, and came away with the impression that it was a city on the rise. It was vibrant and well situated, and it seemed like it had shed its industrial past. YMMV, but I think it'd be a great place to spend four years. (I have no experience with the rest of the Rust Belt though.)
+1 it is.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 13:15
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any college in the depressing Rust Belt. There are too many better or equal options in growing regions with good weather and scenic surroundings.
I was in Pittsburgh for a week on business last year, and came away with the impression that it was a city on the rise. It was vibrant and well situated, and it seemed like it had shed its industrial past. YMMV, but I think it'd be a great place to spend four years. (I have no experience with the rest of the Rust Belt though.)
Let us know when you move there. Lol.
It’s about 1000x more interesting than the areas in the DC region where universities are located.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 13:14
Subject: Re:Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In general I think there will be a push to schools perceived as fun but with good educational rigor. The northeast schools will drop because they are perceived as grim grinds filled with backstabbing, unfriendly people. Political moderation will be appealing. I think this generation of kids, who suffered through covid, has little patience for schools where, fair or not, there is a perception of tolerance of drama queens and waste of education. This will also go with an increasing demand for good ROI.
Excessive drama, misery, and petulance is headed out, solid education, fun, and good ROI is in.
So kids weren't interested in schools that were fun before recently? And plenty of drama and backstabbing in the Southern sorority scene.
They were, but schools in the northeast used to be a lot more fun because there was more personality variety in who they attracted. They used to attract the population that made campuses come alive: the quirky geniuses, the smart frat and sorority kids, the theater kids who had the time in HS to really perfect their craft, etc. But those kids often don’t have the mid-career project management skills that getting perfect GPAs in a test-minimizing environment along with the requisite resume-polishing now requires. So these schools are instead filled with grim armies of Tracy Flicks who don’t understand what “fun” even means.
Have you been on the campus of some of these schools recently? What’s remarkable is how silent they are. It’s like walking through a library, but outside. It’s outright depressing and for some bright kids, that’s not going to be appealing no matter how shiny the name is.
Yikes - what schools are you talking about? My DD is a hs freshman and I want to avoid this type of atmosphere.
Any of the Ivies now.
Walk through them when school is in session and see how quiet and dead they are.
I did and disagree with you. I visited the Yale and Princeton campuses about two months ago with my kid. If I have to pick one word to describe the environment, I’d say vibrant!
Also, my kid got to stay with a Yale freshman friend who took him to a Yale Political Union debate. Kid loved it but was shocked because the media coverage would have you believe there are no conservative voices on campus. Simply not true.
Not the person you are responding to, but a lot of these young people at the ivies may end up struggling to get jobs, especially as the investigations into these Universities continue and more is revealed. There is too much indoctrination and not enough political diversity, diversity of thought and respectful communication. The last thing a workplace needs is an over-confident/entitled most likely privileged young person with a rigid belief system who hasn't learned the importance of civil and peaceful discussion with those with whom you disagree. Despite high test scores too many young people from these schools are not demonstrating critical thinking skills and tolerance for differences. It seems some of the indoctrination and rigid thinking begins at the top private schools, not the ivies, so some of these graduates will have had over 12 years of learning there is only one way to view a situation and other view points will be frowned upon and possibly punished.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 13:09
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any college in the depressing Rust Belt. There are too many better or equal options in growing regions with good weather and scenic surroundings.
I was in Pittsburgh for a week on business last year, and came away with the impression that it was a city on the rise. It was vibrant and well situated, and it seemed like it had shed its industrial past. YMMV, but I think it'd be a great place to spend four years. (I have no experience with the rest of the Rust Belt though.)
I was just offered a job in Columbus! I didn't take it, but if I had young kids I'd be tempted. The pay was just what I was making in nyc before my last raise. A lot happening there and a totally great QOL
Anonymous
12/20/2023 13:07
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any college in the depressing Rust Belt. There are too many better or equal options in growing regions with good weather and scenic surroundings.
I was in Pittsburgh for a week on business last year, and came away with the impression that it was a city on the rise. It was vibrant and well situated, and it seemed like it had shed its industrial past. YMMV, but I think it'd be a great place to spend four years. (I have no experience with the rest of the Rust Belt though.)
Let us know when you move there. Lol.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 13:05
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Right now the top firms that pay the most are some tech firms, pe shops and quant funds. Those firms don't care where you went to school but how fast you can solve problems or code. Going to a good school just assures you atleadt get an interview. The interviews are purely technical. They are not looking for squash players. There is another category of jobs that looks for skills that student athletes bring. If someone is great at something be it math, physics or a sport, there is a place for that person because they will appeal to some employer's preference.
This is true for our company. The idea that anyone is moved at all by the sports that played at Dartmouth is laughable. Feels very 90s
Anonymous
12/20/2023 13:02
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Right now the top firms that pay the most are some tech firms, pe shops and quant funds. Those firms don't care where you went to school but how fast you can solve problems or code. Going to a good school just assures you atleadt get an interview. The interviews are purely technical. They are not looking for squash players. There is another category of jobs that looks for skills that student athletes bring. If someone is great at something be it math, physics or a sport, there is a place for that person because they will appeal to some employer's preference.
Can’t speak about tech firms and quant funds, but I have spent 20+ years in private equity, working for some of the big ones and I can tell you that you are completely wrong! PE remains VERY pedigree driven. Firms recruit almost exclusively from Ivy plus Schools. It’s nearly impossible to get an interview if you don’t come from one of these schools.
Also, people on here act like the kids coming from Ivy plus don’t have the tech skills. I don’t know what you are smoking. Year after year we get Ivy plus candidates with top tech skills. On top of that, they all have top GPAs and have proved strong leadership ability, either in a sport or another competitive on campus activity. They are fiercely competitive.
Maybe PE firms are different but I know quant shops are not looking for pedigree.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 12:48
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Right now the top firms that pay the most are some tech firms, pe shops and quant funds. Those firms don't care where you went to school but how fast you can solve problems or code. Going to a good school just assures you atleadt get an interview. The interviews are purely technical. They are not looking for squash players. There is another category of jobs that looks for skills that student athletes bring. If someone is great at something be it math, physics or a sport, there is a place for that person because they will appeal to some employer's preference.
Can’t speak about tech firms and quant funds, but I have spent 20+ years in private equity, working for some of the big ones and I can tell you that you are completely wrong! PE remains VERY pedigree driven. Firms recruit almost exclusively from Ivy plus Schools. It’s nearly impossible to get an interview if you don’t come from one of these schools.
Also, people on here act like the kids coming from Ivy plus don’t have the tech skills. I don’t know what you are smoking. Year after year we get Ivy plus candidates with top tech skills. On top of that, they all have top GPAs and have proved strong leadership ability, either in a sport or another competitive on campus activity. They are fiercely competitive.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 12:46
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any college in the depressing Rust Belt. There are too many better or equal options in growing regions with good weather and scenic surroundings.
You keep saying that yet Big 10 universities in the so-called Rust Belt are enjoying a surge in applications. Lots of kids don't want to go south for different reasons and can get the big school, big time sports, fun party experience in the Big 10.
+1 Many of these midwestern schools are on fire: Purdue, Chicago, U Mich, U Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, etc. The small LACs in tiny towns in the Midwest, ok, I agree that many are struggling. But that is true almost anywhere. More of the college-bound population is being raised in urban areas, and they don’t want to live in the sticks at college.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 12:43
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Any college in the depressing Rust Belt. There are too many better or equal options in growing regions with good weather and scenic surroundings.
I was in Pittsburgh for a week on business last year, and came away with the impression that it was a city on the rise. It was vibrant and well situated, and it seemed like it had shed its industrial past. YMMV, but I think it'd be a great place to spend four years. (I have no experience with the rest of the Rust Belt though.)
Anonymous
12/20/2023 12:42
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:I dont' care about Yale athletics because it's a smaller portion of the population.
And in this environment, everyone is getting a job. unemployment is at a low.
I do care about the weird college dynamics when, as someone said earlier, schools are either free-ride Pell or full pay St Ann's squash players. That's a weird dynamic for classroom discussions.
You’d be surprised. Not everyone is getting a job.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 12:41
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Any college in the depressing Rust Belt. There are too many better or equal options in growing regions with good weather and scenic surroundings.
You keep saying that yet Big 10 universities in the so-called Rust Belt are enjoying a surge in applications. Lots of kids don't want to go south for different reasons and can get the big school, big time sports, fun party experience in the Big 10.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 12:41
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My take:
With 2.8 billion Chinese and Indians, a growing Asian domestic population, and a finite number of slots at top schools, my hypothesis is that the top schools we see today will retain their status PLUS get increasingly more difficult to gain entry. The skills necessary for technological advancements dictates that high-demand STEM graduates will continue to fuel the gap between "elite (and near-elite) institutions and everyone else. The number of international students studying in the US have doubled over the past 10 years. These students very much are "name driven" which drives the cycle of upward selectivity at all but a few schools.
My list:
Rich get richer category
Ivies + UChicago, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Rice, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, Emory, Wash. Univ at SL
Through inertia they will continue to be the #1 destination for the world's elite. In spite of the spotlight shone on some of the contentious issues of today, I don't see these universities are going anywhere.
The UC system:
More demand, same supply. Center of tech and innovation. Historically, less than half the price of comparable private schools. Increasing demographic changes skewing Asian ensures robust demand. Internationals love the UC's.
Top flight publics outside of the UC's:
UVA, UNC, Michigan, UIUC, UGA, Florida, Texas, A&M
Population growth in the south, plus tradition, plus in-state tuition will continue to drive the bus. Crazy to think that Florida and UGA are now considered to be top flight universities.
Location-driven universities:
Boston, New York, Washington DC, Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles
These schools benefit from being in a world-class city. Like the UC's, internationals love these schools. The university enriches the city; likewise, the city enriches the university.
BU, Northeastern, NYU, UMiami, USC, (Tulane??).
The potential up and comers:
East coast: Does GWU or American make that next-level leap considering the draw of D.C.? Again, limited supply at "top" schools means that the top will be filtered lower.
In Texas, does Texas, A&M and Rice suck the oxygen out so that a school like SMU can never make that leap? A growing state with a finite number of elite institutions.
The above bolded private schools will CONTINUE to decline for the foreseeable future for the same/similar reasons they declined this year.
WTH? Did you make an error in your post? The above bolded schools I see (Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Georgetown, Emory) are continuing to INCREASE in popularity. They are not declining!
Anonymous
12/20/2023 12:38
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:I dont' care about Yale athletics because it's a smaller portion of the population.
And in this environment, everyone is getting a job. unemployment is at a low.
I do care about the weird college dynamics when, as someone said earlier, schools are either free-ride Pell or full pay St Ann's squash players. That's a weird dynamic for classroom discussions.
YES! And once again the middle class, even the UMC, gets short thrift because the students and professors think everyone is an oppressor or oppressed. Don’t you see how this has transpired? When I went to a top 30 in the 80s, there were plenty of “regular” UMC kids - perhaps because the Reagan tax cuts had not led to the situation we’re in now where execs makes 100s of times the salary of entry level workers. Now it is different, unless you are lucky enough to live in a LCOL area with a nationally-indexed salary or independent business earning power.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 12:34
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Right now the top firms that pay the most are some tech firms, pe shops and quant funds. Those firms don't care where you went to school but how fast you can solve problems or code. Going to a good school just assures you atleadt get an interview. The interviews are purely technical. They are not looking for squash players. There is another category of jobs that looks for skills that student athletes bring. If someone is great at something be it math, physics or a sport, there is a place for that person because they will appeal to some employer's preference.