Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.
https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.
I find it bizarre you had to cite to Criminal Justice Canada research on foreign prison inmates for support for Michelle Reid’s plans for our children in FCPS.
It works in schools too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/15/restorative-justice-montgomery-county-schools/
"A recent report by Sean Darling-Hammond, assistant professor of health and education at UCLA, indicates that restorative practices improve middle school students’ academic achievement, while reducing suspension rates and disparities, misbehavior, substance abuse and student mental health challenges."
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED596786.pdf
[i]"The earlier discussion about RJ theory suggests that a well-implemented program could
reduce punitive disciplinary actions and problem behavior over time (Tyler, 2006). All the
empirical studies we reviewed report a decrease in exclusionary discipline and harmful
behavior (e.g., violence) after implementing some type of RJ program. "
"But, across the studies, school attendance tended to improve after
RJ implementation. Baker (2009), for example, reports that students who participated in
an RJ program12 experienced a 50-percent reduction in absenteeism during the first year of
implementation and a decrease in tardiness of about 64 percent. "
"70 percent of staff reported
that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.
https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.
I find it bizarre you had to cite to Criminal Justice Canada research on foreign prison inmates for support for Michelle Reid’s plans for our children in FCPS.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are some actual examples of "restorative justice"?
Is it just race based discipline?
No, it is not race based, but of course FCPS brings race into everything even when it is not there.
An example of restorative justice would be if your son has been bullied all quarter by a kid, with the admin well aware of the bullying, so instead of the bully getting escalating punishments culminating ina suspension or explusion, the counselor would gather the bully with the vistim, and have them talk about how the bullying makes the victim feel, followed by the victim publicly forgiving and affirming the bully.
It is a bully/perpetrator centered model, which outs the responsibility on the victim to make things right and gives all the power to the person doing wrong.
You forget the part where the bully escalates even further after the meeting because they've been taught there are no consequences. Like PP said, the victim has to tell the bully how their action effect them. This gives the bully more ammunition for future bullying
My concern would how this process plays out when the victim is sexually assaulted, and then has to face her assailant all over again throughout this restorative justice program.
It seems like it would be re-living the assault or rape all over again, just to satisfy some unproven social-justice experiment, which focuses only on the well-being of the bully.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dr. Reid says she is implementing “restorative justice.”
This is a portion of Michelle Reid’s weekly update sent to FCPS parents:
"The second initiative is our Restorative Justice Program’s new Responsible Pathway to Restorative Justice Facilitation. This pathway program will enable trained and endorsed members of Team FCPS to operate as school-based restorative justice facilitators. By this time next year, our goal is to have two of these facilitators in each of our schools. I’m thrilled about this program and how it will support us to provide excellence, equity, and opportunity for each and every one of our students, especially those impacted by discipline disparities. As I shared with the principals on Thursday, I know there likely are a lot of questions about these two initiatives! More information on our Instructional Rounds and the Responsible Pathway to Restorative Justice Facilitation will be made available in the coming weeks; stay tuned!"
Do you think this is a good idea? Will this new approach increase or decrease crime in your child’s school?
"This approach" is not explained in the OP. Does this mean no discipline ever?
Or does it mean discipline that doesn't stay on the record forever so as not to disadvantage kids' futures?
Does it mean progressive discipline? Discipline coupled with counseling?
I cannot say if I think it's a "good idea" or not if you haven't explained what it is beyond inflammatory soundbites. And, yeah, I could spend the time parsing it out online but since OP brought it up . . .
Anonymous wrote:We have a kid at our school who has been caught with a weapon, using drugs (fentanyl), using gang signs, etc, with a suspension list longer than he is tall. But he's still in school thanks to this policy. When someone gets killed on school grounds the blood will be on the hands of Reid and the school board.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are some actual examples of "restorative justice"?
Is it just race based discipline?
No, it is not race based, but of course FCPS brings race into everything even when it is not there.
An example of restorative justice would be if your son has been bullied all quarter by a kid, with the admin well aware of the bullying, so instead of the bully getting escalating punishments culminating ina suspension or explusion, the counselor would gather the bully with the vistim, and have them talk about how the bullying makes the victim feel, followed by the victim publicly forgiving and affirming the bully.
It is a bully/perpetrator centered model, which outs the responsibility on the victim to make things right and gives all the power to the person doing wrong.
You forget the part where the bully escalates even further after the meeting because they've been taught there are no consequences. Like PP said, the victim has to tell the bully how their action effect them. This gives the bully more ammunition for future bullying
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are some actual examples of "restorative justice"?
Is it just race based discipline?
No, it is not race based, but of course FCPS brings race into everything even when it is not there.
An example of restorative justice would be if your son has been bullied all quarter by a kid, with the admin well aware of the bullying, so instead of the bully getting escalating punishments culminating ina suspension or explusion, the counselor would gather the bully with the vistim, and have them talk about how the bullying makes the victim feel, followed by the victim publicly forgiving and affirming the bully.
It is a bully/perpetrator centered model, which outs the responsibility on the victim to make things right and gives all the power to the person doing wrong.
This is what happened to my DC two years ago. We heard reports and updates about DC and the other student from the counselor and principal - but nothing changed. It was terrible for DC.
Anonymous wrote:https://www.osibaltimore.org/2020/09/new-report-indicates-major-impact-of-restorative-practices-in-baltimore-city-schools/
School suspensions dropped by 44% in one year
72% of school staff reported improved school climate
69% of school staff reported improved student respect for one another
64% of school staff reported improved student respect for staff
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.
https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.
I find it bizarre you had to cite to Criminal Justice Canada research on foreign prison inmates for support for Michelle Reid’s plans for our children in FCPS.
In relevant examples here in Fairfax county, restorative justice has been a failure.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.
https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.
I find it bizarre you had to cite to Criminal Justice Canada research on foreign prison inmates for support for Michelle Reid’s plans for our children in FCPS.
Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.
https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.
https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.
You're citing juvenile court cases. Taking restorative justice from that concept to schools is like using a blowtorch for weeding. Wrong tool, wrong setting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/15/restorative-justice-montgomery-county-schools/
"A recent report by Sean Darling-Hammond, assistant professor of health and education at UCLA, indicates that restorative practices improve middle school students’ academic achievement, while reducing suspension rates and disparities, misbehavior, substance abuse and student mental health challenges."
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED596786.pdf
"The earlier discussion about RJ theory suggests that a well-implemented program could
reduce punitive disciplinary actions and problem behavior over time (Tyler, 2006). All the
empirical studies we reviewed report a decrease in exclusionary discipline and harmful
behavior (e.g., violence) after implementing some type of RJ program. "
"But, across the studies, school attendance tended to improve after
RJ implementation. Baker (2009), for example, reports that students who participated in
an RJ program12 experienced a 50-percent reduction in absenteeism during the first year of
implementation and a decrease in tardiness of about 64 percent. "
"70 percent of staff reported
that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."
It works in schools too.
No it doesn't.
Where is the data to support your opinion?
The studies show that it works.
Several people earlier in this thread reported their dismal and failed experiences here in FCPS when it was attempted.
In FCPS, it does not work apparently.
Anecdotal…
Look at the studies. It works.
No, Dr Reid. It doesn't.
What were effects to the victims under restorative justice program vs traditional discpline.
Do they experience more frequent or less frequent problem. That is more interest to me than effect to the perpentrator.
Great question. I’ll look for data on that.
RJ does also work on prevention. So hopefully fewer kids are bullied in the first place. It’s also victim-centered so hopefully victims come out of it with their needs addressed.
Looks like it’s a voluntary process that requires parent approval and can be used in conjunction with (or after) appropriate disciplinary actions (suspension):
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/RJInformationPacket.pdf
I like that it makes bullies directly accountable to their victims.
Is it optional for the FCPS employee - say, a teacher - when the teacher is assaulted by a student?
Anonymous wrote:Dr. Reid says she is implementing “restorative justice.”
This is a portion of Michelle Reid’s weekly update sent to FCPS parents:
"The second initiative is our Restorative Justice Program’s new Responsible Pathway to Restorative Justice Facilitation. This pathway program will enable trained and endorsed members of Team FCPS to operate as school-based restorative justice facilitators. By this time next year, our goal is to have two of these facilitators in each of our schools. I’m thrilled about this program and how it will support us to provide excellence, equity, and opportunity for each and every one of our students, especially those impacted by discipline disparities. [i] As I shared with the principals on Thursday, I know there likely are a lot of questions about these two initiatives! More information on our Instructional Rounds and the Responsible Pathway to Restorative Justice Facilitation will be made available in the coming weeks; stay tuned!"
Do you think this is a good idea? Will this new approach increase or decrease crime in your child’s school?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.osibaltimore.org/2020/09/new-report-indicates-major-impact-of-restorative-practices-in-baltimore-city-schools/
School suspensions dropped by 44% in one year
72% of school staff reported improved school climate
69% of school staff reported improved student respect for one another
64% of school staff reported improved student respect for staff
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.
https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.
You're citing juvenile court cases. Taking restorative justice from that concept to schools is like using a blowtorch for weeding. Wrong tool, wrong setting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/15/restorative-justice-montgomery-county-schools/
"A recent report by Sean Darling-Hammond, assistant professor of health and education at UCLA, indicates that restorative practices improve middle school students’ academic achievement, while reducing suspension rates and disparities, misbehavior, substance abuse and student mental health challenges."
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED596786.pdf
"The earlier discussion about RJ theory suggests that a well-implemented program could
reduce punitive disciplinary actions and problem behavior over time (Tyler, 2006). All the
empirical studies we reviewed report a decrease in exclusionary discipline and harmful
behavior (e.g., violence) after implementing some type of RJ program. "
"But, across the studies, school attendance tended to improve after
RJ implementation. Baker (2009), for example, reports that students who participated in
an RJ program12 experienced a 50-percent reduction in absenteeism during the first year of
implementation and a decrease in tardiness of about 64 percent. "
"70 percent of staff reported
that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."
It works in schools too.
No it doesn't.
Where is the data to support your opinion?
The studies show that it works.
Several people earlier in this thread reported their dismal and failed experiences here in FCPS when it was attempted.
In FCPS, it does not work apparently.
Anecdotal…
Look at the studies. It works.
No, Dr Reid. It doesn't.
What were effects to the victims under restorative justice program vs traditional discpline.
Do they experience more frequent or less frequent problem. That is more interest to me than effect to the perpentrator.
Great question. I’ll look for data on that.
RJ does also work on prevention. So hopefully fewer kids are bullied in the first place. It’s also victim-centered so hopefully victims come out of it with their needs addressed.
Looks like it’s a voluntary process that requires parent approval and can be used in conjunction with (or after) appropriate disciplinary actions (suspension):
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/RJInformationPacket.pdf
I like that it makes bullies directly accountable to their victims.