Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2013, 9 percent of incoming freshmen at Hopkins had “legacy” connections, the university said, and 18 percent identified as Black, Latino, American Indian, Native Alaskan or Native Hawaiian. By last fall the legacy share had plummeted to less than 2 percent while the percentage from the underrepresented racial and ethnic groups had soared to 34 percent. The White share of freshmen, meanwhile, sank to 17 percent in 2022. Federal data show it had been 46 percent a decade earlier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/08/29/john-hopkins-legacy-racial-diversity/

For those that have not read the article^, not sure it was linked prior.

I think the article is slightly off, 21 percent Caucasian for class of 2026 per Hopkins website. The Asian enrollment is 26 percent. International, which is likely mostly a combination of those two groups, is 14 percent.

That is still unproportionable/very low/not representative of US population statistics.

US population statistics should matter, but share of college-ready Seniors should. And Whites and Asians still make up more than 75% of that low threshold.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2013, 9 percent of incoming freshmen at Hopkins had “legacy” connections, the university said, and 18 percent identified as Black, Latino, American Indian, Native Alaskan or Native Hawaiian. By last fall the legacy share had plummeted to less than 2 percent while the percentage from the underrepresented racial and ethnic groups had soared to 34 percent. The White share of freshmen, meanwhile, sank to 17 percent in 2022. Federal data show it had been 46 percent a decade earlier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/08/29/john-hopkins-legacy-racial-diversity/

For those that have not read the article^, not sure it was linked prior.

I think the article is slightly off, 21 percent Caucasian for class of 2026 per Hopkins website. The Asian enrollment is 26 percent. International, which is likely mostly a combination of those two groups, is 14 percent.

That is still unproportionable/very low/not representative of US population statistics.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what percentage of the URM kids also are white. There's a lot of UMC kids who have a black and white parent or white looking Grandma from Argentina and look very white, but check the Hispanic box.

Argentina is not 'latin or hispanic'.

Argentinans lean into the Hispanic crap when it comes to stuff like college admissions but are like the third reich the rest of the time

Argentinians are legit Hispanic by every definition I've seen.

For example, census dot gov:

"OMB defines "Hispanic or Latino" as a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."

Argentines would be dumb not to play that readily available card.

But, as DCUM thinks some Hispanics are "cheating", what we really need is for DCUM to put on its expert Nazi racial scientist hat and precisely define which types of Hispanics "deserve" any social or college admissions advantages. How brown do you have to be to avoid the dreaded "white Hispanic" label? Should admissions committees use a special chart?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a graduate student at Hopkins in biology and didn't notice any of the cut throat behaviors. I did catch a kid cheating once.

Did you ever volunteer for the mentor program? I learned so much from these (non cut throat) students. That said, I encountered the cheaters and grade grubbers in regular TA/instructor roles.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only 48% submit scores. This was a game changer in admissions.

Yeah that’s crazy

Schools like JHU and CMU and gtown will never have hypsm prestige or Dartmouth quality of life so need to lean into test scores to maintain their brand because thats what they trade on.

They don’t have the cache or QoL to follow the others

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what percentage of the URM kids also are white. There's a lot of UMC kids who have a black and white parent or white looking Grandma from Argentina and look very white, but check the Hispanic box.

Argentina is not 'latin or hispanic'.

Argentinans lean into the Hispanic crap when it comes to stuff like college admissions but are like the third reich the rest of the time

Argentinians are legit Hispanic by every definition I've seen.

For example, census dot gov:

"OMB defines "Hispanic or Latino" as a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."

Argentines would be dumb not to play that readily available card.

But, as DCUM thinks some Hispanics are "cheating", what we really need is for DCUM to put on its expert Nazi racial scientist hat and precisely define which types of Hispanics "deserve" any social or college admissions advantages. How brown do you have to be to avoid the dreaded "white Hispanic" label? Should admissions committees use a special chart?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a graduate student at Hopkins in biology and didn't notice any of the cut throat behaviors. I did catch a kid cheating once.

My husband was an undergrad and said the pre-med kids used to change the test location--tell others time/location changed, etc. This was the 90s- pre-Internet.

I was also an undergrad at Hopkins and think this is bs. Tests were administered the same place as where classes took place.

There were definitely kids who did this, especially with regards to exam times. Class of '96 here. Some kids were ruthless.
(and btw--you don't get to re-write my personal experience just because you didn't experience it!)

I really hope the culture has changed but I have a hard time believing that the pre-meds of Hopkins are kinder or more laid-back in 2023.

+1 Class of '92

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2013, 9 percent of incoming freshmen at Hopkins had “legacy” connections, the university said, and 18 percent identified as Black, Latino, American Indian, Native Alaskan or Native Hawaiian. By last fall the legacy share had plummeted to less than 2 percent while the percentage from the underrepresented racial and ethnic groups had soared to 34 percent. The White share of freshmen, meanwhile, sank to 17 percent in 2022. Federal data show it had been 46 percent a decade earlier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/08/29/john-hopkins-legacy-racial-diversity/

For those that have not read the article^, not sure it was linked prior.

I think the article is slightly off, 21 percent Caucasian for class of 2026 per Hopkins website. The Asian enrollment is 26 percent. International, which is likely mostly a combination of those two groups, is 14 percent.

That is still unproportionable/very low/not representative of US population statistics.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a graduate student at Hopkins in biology and didn't notice any of the cut throat behaviors. I did catch a kid cheating once.

My husband was an undergrad and said the pre-med kids used to change the test location--tell others time/location changed, etc. This was the 90s- pre-Internet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what percentage of the URM kids also are white. There's a lot of UMC kids who have a black and white parent or white looking Grandma from Argentina and look very white, but check the Hispanic box.

Argentina is not 'latin or hispanic'.

Argentinans lean into the Hispanic crap when it comes to stuff like college admissions but are like the third reich the rest of the time

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

How can someone finish a school like Hopkins and still believe that their donations even move the needle? Bloomberg dumped nearly $2 billion. He calls the shots now. You mad?

For the decline in what they are churning out? Talking to professors who say the past 5 years the students coming in are less and less prepared for the work.

Yes- mad about the declining merit of the school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

With Bloomberg’s donations, they don’t need your money.

They are going to fall in the ranks when merit is no longer the standard, just like Thomas Jefferson HS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what percentage of the URM kids also are white. There's a lot of UMC kids who have a black and white parent or white looking Grandma from Argentina and look very white, but check the Hispanic box.

Argentina is not 'latin or hispanic'.

Argentinans lean into the Hispanic crap when it comes to stuff like college admissions but are like the third reich the rest of the time

Argentinians are legit Hispanic by every definition I've seen.

For example, census dot gov:

"OMB defines "Hispanic or Latino" as a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."

Argentines would be dumb not to play that readily available card.

But, as DCUM thinks some Hispanics are "cheating", what we really need is for DCUM to put on its expert Nazi racial scientist hat and precisely define which types of Hispanics "deserve" any social or college admissions advantages. How brown do you have to be to avoid the dreaded "white Hispanic" label? Should admissions committees use a special chart?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

Anonymous wrote:I was a graduate student at Hopkins in biology and didn't notice any of the cut throat behaviors. I did catch a kid cheating once.