Duke, Bowdoin, Davidson.

Pomona has always been very popular on the west coast. Many kids on the east coast also prefer it to the cold NE.

Cornell

Anonymous wrote:That might be dumbest thing I have ever heard re Williams/Amherst - 3rd tier schools.

HYP grad

No respect for someone who calls themself a HYP grad.

Every kid I know at W/A/S chose it over ivies, etc. It is a completely different experience. Vs I know kids who just blanket applied to all ivies and went to the one where they got in.

That might be dumbest thing I have ever heard re Williams/Amherst - 3rd tier schools.

HYP grad

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Williams & Amherst belong in the “where Ivy rejects go category.” They have always been considered on par with even the best Ivies.

Not anymore they aren't.

Agree with the opinion that Williams & Amherst are no longer considered Ivy equivalents regarding prestige. Excellent academics, but the first impression often is that the student is highly intelligent but, for some reason, didn't get any offer from an Ivy League school. Silly, but that seems to be a common reaction today.

Third tier schools that coddle wealthy children

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Williams & Amherst belong in the “where Ivy rejects go category.” They have always been considered on par with even the best Ivies.

Not anymore they aren't.

Agree with the opinion that Williams & Amherst are no longer considered Ivy equivalents regarding prestige. Excellent academics, but the first impression often is that the student is highly intelligent but, for some reason, didn't get any offer from an Ivy League school. Silly, but that seems to be a common reaction today.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Williams & Amherst belong in the “where Ivy rejects go category.” They have always been considered on par with even the best Ivies.

Not anymore they aren't.

they never were.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western
GA Tech
Vassar
Oberlin
Northwestern
Spelman
Howard
Purdue
Carnegie Mellon

No one is going to Oberlin. No one. And Howard is not even close to VA Tech. No one would trade down just for HB

You clearly do not know anyone who is Black. Anyone.

DP: pls drop the casual racism, and discuss the topic if you can.

How is that "casual racism"?

It's not uncommon for many Black parents, especially UMC/affluent, to want their kids to attend an HBCU for undergrad. I easily know ten individuals, maybe more, from both my HS and jobs over the years, who attended HBCUs, mainly Howard, Hampton, Spelman, and Morehouse.

+100

Noone cares were talking about elite schools.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Williams & Amherst belong in the “where Ivy rejects go category.” They have always been considered on par with even the best Ivies.

Not anymore they aren't.

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western
GA Tech
Vassar
Oberlin
Northwestern
Spelman
Howard
Purdue
Carnegie Mellon

No one is going to Oberlin. No one. And Howard is not even close to VA Tech. No one would trade down just for HB

You clearly do not know anyone who is Black. Anyone.

DP: pls drop the casual racism, and discuss the topic if you can.

How is that "casual racism"?

It's not uncommon for many Black parents, especially UMC/affluent, to want their kids to attend an HBCU for undergrad. I easily know ten individuals, maybe more, from both my HS and jobs over the years, who attended HBCUs, mainly Howard, Hampton, Spelman, and Morehouse.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

This list is in line with my experience. Also:

Williams
Bowdoin
Duke
NYU
BC
Georgetown
Colby
Davidson

I know kids of dual Ivy grads who are matriculating at:

Syracuse
Bucknell
Penn State
Oregon

Once you miss the legacy spot you're in the pool with the masses and it can be a total crap shoot.

Did those dual Ivy grads kids’ have smart grandparents?

The above could be just mean reversion — ie dual Ivy grad mom and dad were the outliers and kids reverting back to the long run family level

Yes and just because a kid has two smart parents who got into selective schools decades ago means nothing about how hard the kid has worked in school even if highly able. Weird assumptions here. Even with the acknowledgment that ivy’s etc used to have a 20 percent admit rate The kid at Oregon today would likely not have gotten into an Ivy type school 30 years ago either, big jump between these types of schools.

I don’t think Williams & Amherst belong in the “where Ivy rejects go category.” They have always been considered on par with even the best Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy rejects going to Stanford and MIT. lol

The reality is that many Stanford/MIT rejects end up at the bottom of the T25: Columbia, USC, and the like.

These schools are the sweet spot for strivers with good grades but nothing special otherwise.

Columbia has like a 3% admit rate (and has been in that range for the past decade), so I highly doubt this...