Anonymous
07/18/2023 16:09
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
The leads of Ozark get nothing in residuals. The producers and the streaming services are so greedy.
These are all publicly-traded companies and it is all about share price.
Laura Limney and Jason are also executive producers of Ozark.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 11:44
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is there a problem with AI but not CGI? They use CGI to make crowds bigger thus taking jobs away from extras. They’ve been “AI’ing” for a long time.
The workers should have health insurance of some form.
Companies with pensions are very few if not completely gone.
How many companies continue to pay their employees for the work done 1 year ago, 5, 10? It’s usually pay and done.
Their complaints are no different than all workers in US.
Exactly. CGI has meant the end of tons of jobs in the industry and resulted in the off-shoring of a lot of work out of the US. This has been going on for years. Streaming platforms have different economics than the studios. Why should actors get residuals when nobody (advertisers) is paying that bill. I don't care one way or another, but, SAG saying that most of their members make less than $26,000 per year is a straw man argument. $26,000 a year is not full time work in this country. And there are many, many SAG members who do not consider themselves full time actors. If you are only making $26,000 a year, you need to get another job to supplement (or find a new career).
First, residuals are a boon to the studios--means they can pay workers less upfront and adjust what the actors get based on future success of the tv show/movie. Without them, the studios would have to pay day actors and non-star regulars way more for shows that are flops.
Secondly, OF COURSE the bill is being paid--through licensing and subscription fees.
Every streaming service outside of Netflix is losing money. Cable channels are still profitable because they have largely given up on original scripted programming; they're milking reruns, a couple of still popular shows, and reality as long as they can
Anonymous
07/18/2023 11:42
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is there a problem with AI but not CGI? They use CGI to make crowds bigger thus taking jobs away from extras. They’ve been “AI’ing” for a long time.
The workers should have health insurance of some form.
Companies with pensions are very few if not completely gone.
How many companies continue to pay their employees for the work done 1 year ago, 5, 10? It’s usually pay and done.
Their complaints are no different than all workers in US.
Exactly. CGI has meant the end of tons of jobs in the industry and resulted in the off-shoring of a lot of work out of the US. This has been going on for years. Streaming platforms have different economics than the studios. Why should actors get residuals when nobody (advertisers) is paying that bill. I don't care one way or another, but, SAG saying that most of their members make less than $26,000 per year is a straw man argument. $26,000 a year is not full time work in this country. And there are many, many SAG members who do not consider themselves full time actors. If you are only making $26,000 a year, you need to get another job to supplement (or find a new career).
First, residuals are a boon to the studios--means they can pay workers less upfront and adjust what the actors get based on future success of the tv show/movie. Without them, the studios would have to pay day actors and non-star regulars way more for shows that are flops.
Secondly, OF COURSE the bill is being paid--through licensing and subscription fees.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 11:26
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Universal just cut all the trees that had provided shade to the striking workers. Wow.
https://twitter.com/ChrisStephensMD/status/1681005154609545216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1681005154609545216%7Ctwgr%5E345a2642686c5de17c5bfdbb0ef13e2b9f2e4ec5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lamag.com%2Farticle%2Ftree-pruning-universal-pictures-strike-spite%2F
Despicable.
Like who tf thought this was a good idea, honestly. Cruel, petty, harms the strikers physically, terrible optics, and will also end up killing the trees. Good god.
Doubt those trees will die. They look like ficus trees, which are all over LA and have deep, invasive roots. No law againat pruning ficus.
Did someone claim it was illegal?
In the article:
"“Whoever ‘trimmed’ those trees may have just killed a bunch of trees on city property, that weren’t theirs to trim,” Steven Burke, another user, said. “Get ready for a fine and sanctions.”
He's assuming the trees will die. I really doubt it. We have ficus trees all over our neighborhood and the roots are causing a lot of damage to roots, sewer lines, sidewalks, etc. Hard to kill. Drought hasn't stopped them.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 11:13
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is there a problem with AI but not CGI? They use CGI to make crowds bigger thus taking jobs away from extras. They’ve been “AI’ing” for a long time.
The workers should have health insurance of some form.
Companies with pensions are very few if not completely gone.
How many companies continue to pay their employees for the work done 1 year ago, 5, 10? It’s usually pay and done.
Their complaints are no different than all workers in US.
Exactly. CGI has meant the end of tons of jobs in the industry and resulted in the off-shoring of a lot of work out of the US. This has been going on for years. Streaming platforms have different economics than the studios. Why should actors get residuals when nobody (advertisers) is paying that bill. I don't care one way or another, but, SAG saying that most of their members make less than $26,000 per year is a straw man argument. $26,000 a year is not full time work in this country. And there are many, many SAG members who do not consider themselves full time actors. If you are only making $26,000 a year, you need to get another job to supplement (or find a new career).
WGA's complaint is that writing is no longer a full time job. A few show runners make a lot of money and most other writers on streaming shows are treated like gig workers
I guess show writers are feeling the rest of our pain. I am not saying they shouldn't strike. I don't really care, but the reality in most industries is that writing as a career has been absolutely decimated by the internet. Changes in the publishing and news industries and tons of free content has created a race to the bottom for pay. Now we have chatgpt trying to take over.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 10:53
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Universal just cut all the trees that had provided shade to the striking workers. Wow.
https://twitter.com/ChrisStephensMD/status/1681005154609545216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1681005154609545216%7Ctwgr%5E345a2642686c5de17c5bfdbb0ef13e2b9f2e4ec5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lamag.com%2Farticle%2Ftree-pruning-universal-pictures-strike-spite%2F
Despicable.
Like who tf thought this was a good idea, honestly. Cruel, petty, harms the strikers physically, terrible optics, and will also end up killing the trees. Good god.
Doubt those trees will die. They look like ficus trees, which are all over LA and have deep, invasive roots. No law againat pruning ficus.
Did someone claim it was illegal?
Anonymous
07/18/2023 10:48
Subject: Actors' strike
Just because you can’t work on scripted tv or film doesn’t mean you can’t earn a living
- this strike doesn’t cover broadway or other theatre.
Perhaps actors will sharpen their skills and do stage play
- you can do YouTube or only fans
I saw Sydney Sweeney complain about current compensation but she would easily make 10-20 million on onlyfans
You can model / be a body model for video games
- this strike doesn’t cover broadway or other theatre.
Perhaps actors will sharpen their skills and do stage play
- you can do YouTube or only fans
I saw Sydney Sweeney complain about current compensation but she would easily make 10-20 million on onlyfans
You can model / be a body model for video games
Anonymous
07/18/2023 10:44
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Universal just cut all the trees that had provided shade to the striking workers. Wow.
https://twitter.com/ChrisStephensMD/status/1681005154609545216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1681005154609545216%7Ctwgr%5E345a2642686c5de17c5bfdbb0ef13e2b9f2e4ec5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lamag.com%2Farticle%2Ftree-pruning-universal-pictures-strike-spite%2F
Despicable.
Like who tf thought this was a good idea, honestly. Cruel, petty, harms the strikers physically, terrible optics, and will also end up killing the trees. Good god.
Doubt those trees will die. They look like ficus trees, which are all over LA and have deep, invasive roots. No law againat pruning ficus.
If those trees belong to the city/county there is.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 10:42
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Universal just cut all the trees that had provided shade to the striking workers. Wow.
https://twitter.com/ChrisStephensMD/status/1681005154609545216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1681005154609545216%7Ctwgr%5E345a2642686c5de17c5bfdbb0ef13e2b9f2e4ec5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lamag.com%2Farticle%2Ftree-pruning-universal-pictures-strike-spite%2F
Despicable.
Like who tf thought this was a good idea, honestly. Cruel, petty, harms the strikers physically, terrible optics, and will also end up killing the trees. Good god.
Doubt those trees will die. They look like ficus trees, which are all over LA and have deep, invasive roots. No law againat pruning ficus.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 10:37
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is there a problem with AI but not CGI? They use CGI to make crowds bigger thus taking jobs away from extras. They’ve been “AI’ing” for a long time.
The workers should have health insurance of some form.
Companies with pensions are very few if not completely gone.
How many companies continue to pay their employees for the work done 1 year ago, 5, 10? It’s usually pay and done.
Their complaints are no different than all workers in US.
Exactly. CGI has meant the end of tons of jobs in the industry and resulted in the off-shoring of a lot of work out of the US. This has been going on for years. Streaming platforms have different economics than the studios. Why should actors get residuals when nobody (advertisers) is paying that bill. I don't care one way or another, but, SAG saying that most of their members make less than $26,000 per year is a straw man argument. $26,000 a year is not full time work in this country. And there are many, many SAG members who do not consider themselves full time actors. If you are only making $26,000 a year, you need to get another job to supplement (or find a new career).
WGA's complaint is that writing is no longer a full time job. A few show runners make a lot of money and most other writers on streaming shows are treated like gig workers
Anonymous
07/18/2023 10:30
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Why is there a problem with AI but not CGI? They use CGI to make crowds bigger thus taking jobs away from extras. They’ve been “AI’ing” for a long time.
The workers should have health insurance of some form.
Companies with pensions are very few if not completely gone.
How many companies continue to pay their employees for the work done 1 year ago, 5, 10? It’s usually pay and done.
Their complaints are no different than all workers in US.
Exactly. CGI has meant the end of tons of jobs in the industry and resulted in the off-shoring of a lot of work out of the US. This has been going on for years. Streaming platforms have different economics than the studios. Why should actors get residuals when nobody (advertisers) is paying that bill. I don't care one way or another, but, SAG saying that most of their members make less than $26,000 per year is a straw man argument. $26,000 a year is not full time work in this country. And there are many, many SAG members who do not consider themselves full time actors. If you are only making $26,000 a year, you need to get another job to supplement (or find a new career).
Anonymous
07/18/2023 10:05
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Universal just cut all the trees that had provided shade to the striking workers. Wow.
https://twitter.com/ChrisStephensMD/status/1681005154609545216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1681005154609545216%7Ctwgr%5E345a2642686c5de17c5bfdbb0ef13e2b9f2e4ec5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lamag.com%2Farticle%2Ftree-pruning-universal-pictures-strike-spite%2F
Despicable.
Like who tf thought this was a good idea, honestly. Cruel, petty, harms the strikers physically, terrible optics, and will also end up killing the trees. Good god.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 10:03
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Universal just cut all the trees that had provided shade to the striking workers. Wow.
https://twitter.com/ChrisStephensMD/status/1681005154609545216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1681005154609545216%7Ctwgr%5E345a2642686c5de17c5bfdbb0ef13e2b9f2e4ec5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lamag.com%2Farticle%2Ftree-pruning-universal-pictures-strike-spite%2F
Despicable.
Here's a different link to this article: https://www.lamag.com/article/tree-pruning-universal-pictures-strike-spite/
Anonymous
07/18/2023 09:58
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for all the regular grunts suffering through this strike. Like a PP said, that's the vast majority living on limited income to begin with and now nothing.
Ok but if you can barely survive than maybe being an actor isn't a great job and they should move on to something else.
Movie sales and tv watching in general has declined and it's not going to go back up because time and technology are moving on and Hollywood is stuck back in the 1950s. Content that is created by average people in their home is gaining more viewing time these days than a produced tv show with professional actors and that trend is going to continue. It's hard when your industry finally comes to terms with technology.
Luckily what you think about all of this matters not one whit.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 09:04
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Universal just cut all the trees that had provided shade to the striking workers. Wow.
https://twitter.com/ChrisStephensMD/status/1681005154609545216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1681005154609545216%7Ctwgr%5E345a2642686c5de17c5bfdbb0ef13e2b9f2e4ec5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lamag.com%2Farticle%2Ftree-pruning-universal-pictures-strike-spite%2F
Despicable.