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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Right. I had a robust dating experience because I’m not a dick to others.

Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date. Falling down the rabbit hole of misogyny isn’t going to make it any better.

You're missing the point. Many of these folks are doing everything they are told to do in order to work on themselves without success. Or, even worse, they get a date where the woman is solely there to get a free meal. It doesn't make someone a misogynist, but it certainly demoralizes them about the dating world.

No woman in the entire world would sit through a meal with someone she's not interested in just because it's free. WTF.

+1 WTF

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Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date.

No, this judgemental "blue pill" attitude causes young men much misery. Scott Alexander was a physician with plenty of education and compassion. Young physician residents are broke, with student loans. Scott also lacked height, muscles, and hair. But he tragically believed he needed to become a "better person". No, he just need to learn what women want, and to improve his social skills.

It is not the fault of women that they didn't want to date Scott. But it is wrong to say unattractive men deserve their loneliness until they become "better". It reminds me of a Mae West scene, when she removed her fur coat, and the coat-check girl exclaimed "Goodness, what a large diamond!" Mae West replied "Goodness had nothing to do with it!" The Red Pill says that sexual attraction has little relation to virtue.

So he felt entitled to dates because he was a med student?

That sense of entitlement is a huge turn off. No one owes him anything.

He should drop the entitlement and work on his EQ if he wants better relationships.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Right. I had a robust dating experience because I’m not a dick to others.

Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date. Falling down the rabbit hole of misogyny isn’t going to make it any better.

You're missing the point. Many of these folks are doing everything they are told to do in order to work on themselves without success. Or, even worse, they get a date where the woman is solely there to get a free meal. It doesn't make someone a misogynist, but it certainly demoralizes them about the dating world.

No woman in the entire world would sit through a meal with someone she's not interested in just because it's free. WTF.

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Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date.

No, this judgemental "blue pill" attitude causes young men much misery. Scott Alexander was a physician with plenty of education and compassion. Young physician residents are broke, with student loans. Scott also lacked height, muscles, and hair. But he tragically believed he needed to become a "better person". No, he just need to learn what women want, and to improve his social skills.

It is not the fault of women that they didn't want to date Scott. But it is wrong to say unattractive men deserve their loneliness until they become "better". It reminds me of a Mae West scene, when she removed her fur coat, and the coat-check girl exclaimed "Goodness, what a large diamond!" Mae West replied "Goodness had nothing to do with it!" The Red Pill says that sexual attraction has little relation to virtue.

who?

unattractive people don't deserve their loneliness, but lots of these unattractive men become embittered, and then their personality is a bigger turnoff than their looks.

IDK it's anecdotal but unattractive single men seem way more bitter and angry than unattractive single women.

No believe it or not its about the same. Lots of bitter men and women out there and they are not just the unattractive ones. I think there is a big overlap with depression and isolation.

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Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date.

No, this judgemental "blue pill" attitude causes young men much misery. Scott Alexander was a physician with plenty of education and compassion. Young physician residents are broke, with student loans. Scott also lacked height, muscles, and hair. But he tragically believed he needed to become a "better person". No, he just need to learn what women want, and to improve his social skills.

It is not the fault of women that they didn't want to date Scott. But it is wrong to say unattractive men deserve their loneliness until they become "better". It reminds me of a Mae West scene, when she removed her fur coat, and the coat-check girl exclaimed "Goodness, what a large diamond!" Mae West replied "Goodness had nothing to do with it!" The Red Pill says that sexual attraction has little relation to virtue.

who?

unattractive people don't deserve their loneliness, but lots of these unattractive men become embittered, and then their personality is a bigger turnoff than their looks.

IDK it's anecdotal but unattractive single men seem way more bitter and angry than unattractive single women.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Right. I had a robust dating experience because I’m not a dick to others.

Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date. Falling down the rabbit hole of misogyny isn’t going to make it any better.

You're missing the point. Many of these folks are doing everything they are told to do in order to work on themselves without success. Or, even worse, they get a date where the woman is solely there to get a free meal. It doesn't make someone a misogynist, but it certainly demoralizes them about the dating world.

No one is entitled to a date no matter how much they work on themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Right. I had a robust dating experience because I’m not a dick to others.

Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date. Falling down the rabbit hole of misogyny isn’t going to make it any better.

You're missing the point. Many of these folks are doing everything they are told to do in order to work on themselves without success. Or, even worse, they get a date where the woman is solely there to get a free meal. It doesn't make someone a misogynist, but it certainly demoralizes them about the dating world.

A man (or woman) who believes there is some kind of magic formula to finding love has only themselves to blame. Perhaps the answer is to develop a sense of self rather than blaming “them.” Nobody told you to do anything- if you take dating advice that literally, it’s on you

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Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date.

No, this judgemental "blue pill" attitude causes young men much misery. Scott Alexander was a physician with plenty of education and compassion. Young physician residents are broke, with student loans. Scott also lacked height, muscles, and hair. But he tragically believed he needed to become a "better person". No, he just need to learn what women want, and to improve his social skills.

It is not the fault of women that they didn't want to date Scott. But it is wrong to say unattractive men deserve their loneliness until they become "better". It reminds me of a Mae West scene, when she removed her fur coat, and the coat-check girl exclaimed "Goodness, what a large diamond!" Mae West replied "Goodness had nothing to do with it!" The Red Pill says that sexual attraction has little relation to virtue.

who tf is Scott Alexander and why are women responsible for his issues?

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Right. I had a robust dating experience because I’m not a dick to others.

Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date. Falling down the rabbit hole of misogyny isn’t going to make it any better.

You're missing the point. Many of these folks are doing everything they are told to do in order to work on themselves without success. Or, even worse, they get a date where the woman is solely there to get a free meal. It doesn't make someone a misogynist, but it certainly demoralizes them about the dating world.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

DP I know you don't realize it, but you're blaming the toxicity on women not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.

It’s not a woman’s fault - at all - if she’s not attracted to a guy.

Blaming it on women is such an entitled, misogynistic perspective. Take a little personal responsibility for your character flaws.

While I agree with your first two points, it is not a character flaw that someone is not attracted to someone else.

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Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date.

No, this judgemental "blue pill" attitude causes young men much misery. Scott Alexander was a physician with plenty of education and compassion. Young physician residents are broke, with student loans. Scott also lacked height, muscles, and hair. But he tragically believed he needed to become a "better person". No, he just need to learn what women want, and to improve his social skills.

It is not the fault of women that they didn't want to date Scott. But it is wrong to say unattractive men deserve their loneliness until they become "better". It reminds me of a Mae West scene, when she removed her fur coat, and the coat-check girl exclaimed "Goodness, what a large diamond!" Mae West replied "Goodness had nothing to do with it!" The Red Pill says that sexual attraction has little relation to virtue.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

DP I know you don't realize it, but you're blaming the toxicity on women not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.

I probably am doing that. My apologies. I'm not sure how we do it, but we need to do a better job of letting young boys (probably everyone) know just how confused, oblivious, and generally full of sh*t their peers (and maybe the world generally) are when it comes to love and dating. One especially bad thing - at least when I was an adolescent - was how much guys were encouraged to regard a girlfriend as a reflection of their self-worth. Obviously you were interested in sex at that age. But having a girlfriend was also a source of status among other guys. It was also a blow to your own feeling of self-worth. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I think the negative feelings a young man feels is more a function of insecurity than of entitlement.

And, all the while, guys were filling your head with bullshit they picked up from god knows where about what women like. And women were gossiping about which boys were cute and which boys were losers. And, somehow, even though everyone was talking about everyone else; mostly they were wrapped up in their own shit and barely noticed what was going on with most of the other people around them.

I'm rambling. But it feels like one goal would be reducing the toxic notion that having sex and landing a pretty girl has anything to do with your status as a man; letting kids know that rejection isn't (or shouldn't be) a personal attack; letting them know that 90% of what they hear from their friends about relationships is unreliable; and reinforcing the idea that the goal of a relationship is not to win prizes but to find someone cool who thinks you're cool too.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

I still don’t understand what point you are trying to make? It’s not inevitable that someone unhappy with their romantic life adopts such a sexist and toxic set of beliefs. It’s also quite abnormal to have such a strong reaction to “prevailing wisdom” whatever that is.

Nope, it's not at all inevitable. The dudes who go that direction mostly have themselves to blame for their misery. But, the "red pill" followers aren't as rare as we'd hope. It's not like only guys who are uniquely bad go down that path. And, even if they have themselves to blame for the misery, they cause misery for others as well. Being aware of the dynamic that makes that path seem attractive might help us re-direct some chunk of those guys who would otherwise cause problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Plenty of people have no dates throughout all of college. Especially in colleges like MIT which skews male, and did even moreso in prior years like when our writer was in college. Places like RPI are still practically 2:1 male:female. If you go to a school like that and come out bitter no one dates you, what stands in front of you is your ego and the belief that you are somehow “better” than other men, and so entitled to female attention. Entitlement to female attention does not get you dates.

Right? Does PP think that expressing such grievances is the way to get dates?
I spent a good part of my later 20s in NYC as a woman unable to find anyone willing to commit to anything beyond a ONS. I didn’t develop some kind of toxic philosophy about men. I just tried harder and learned to avoid the ones who were not right for me.

I have no desire to defend that guy or his comment. He's clearly toxic and a misogynist. But I doubt he started that way. In the beginning, the reason he wasn't getting dates probably wasn't that he was spewing this kind of toxicity. You have to work up to that. He probably wasn't athletic or assertive, and he saw that, notwithstanding the prevailing wisdom about being sensitive & funny, those were the kinds of guys women wanted to date or have sex with. At least during the age where he was building up his toxicity.

Also, it's easy to take the worst examples of the other side and compare them unfavorably against our reasonable experiences or those of "our" side.

DP I know you don't realize it, but you're blaming the toxicity on women not wanting to date certain men.

When I was in high school I encountered a couple of boys that wanted to date me and got upset when I rejected them. I didn't hear them using toxic language about girls/women, but I could already see glimmers of entitlement. I wasn't looking for assertiveness or athleticism. But I could also see through these guys who thought they were so nice and sensitive but actually didn't know how to listen and didn't react well to not getting what they wanted.

It’s not a woman’s fault - at all - if she’s not attracted to a guy.

Blaming it on women is such an entitled, misogynistic perspective. Take a little personal responsibility for your character flaws.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weird how the brilliant nerds become victims so quickly. Everyone’s fault by their own. Gosh if only they understood the value of Personal Responsibility and didn’t blame everyone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:Op here. The above really does closely capture the guy my post is referencing.

A viral blog comment by "Michael" epitomized the bitter attitude.

I’m 32 years old and have never been married ... always went to church ..., university, law school ... . It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. ... As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. ... Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. ... At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. ... And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. ... I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building … .
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160

“Spread their legs”?

I can see why people didn’t want to date him.

The reason you don’t understand is because you can’t imagine a world where you would have no dates throughout all of college.

Right. I had a robust dating experience because I’m not a dick to others.

Maybe work on being a better person if you want a date. Falling down the rabbit hole of misogyny isn’t going to make it any better.