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Anonymous wrote:"Woke" Eastern Europe renamed all of their Lenin Avenues. How dare they erase history!

Yeah! What ever happened to Stalingrad? And Leningrad?

False equivalency and exactly the point since those and many other communist places weren’t originally named that either.

It’s the same cycle of BS to remind people who is in charge every time there is a regime change.

Ironically Alexanderplatz in Berlin was named after a Russian Tsar in 1805 and remained so through the formation of Germany, two wars with the Russians, Nazism, Communism, and the end of the Cold War.

You'll have to explain how this is ironic. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:CRT is systemic racism. Renaming roads is one of its outcomes.

The first part is correct. CRT is revisionist racist theory and history no different than the Nazis to justify the hate, except people could read back then so the “narrative” had a few more layers.

Renaming roads after woke BS is an outcome. There are a few examples pushing an agenda.

Renaming roads back to what they were, before in this case confederate (more Democrat) activism and without an affiliation is not.

Your Fox-addled post gives me an idea for a great public messaging campaign to appeal to racist idiots.

“Did you know that those DEMONCRATS named YOUR streets after TRAITORS who KILLED our TROOPS? Time to RECLAIM OUR ROADS and dedicate them to REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS!”

Angry much?

I am for renaming these streets to just U.S. 29 and 50. Like now Richmond Highway.

In Fredericksburg it is Emancipation Highway, which is how you pervert something like freedom into more hate.

If you can’t see that, you’re probably the one doing it.

“Emancipation highway” is . . . hateful?

Yes, when you run to the other side of the boat, to again remind people who is now in charge, it is.

If you can’t see that, you must be part of the hate.

Alexandria and Arlington renamed it to Richmond Highway. No agenda or message, that time.

Which are the sides of the boat? The pro-slavery side, and the not-pro-slavery side? And "Emancipation Highway" reminds people that the not-pro-slavery side is now in charge? And that's a problem?

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Anonymous wrote:CRT is systemic racism. Renaming roads is one of its outcomes.

The first part is correct. CRT is revisionist racist theory and history no different than the Nazis to justify the hate, except people could read back then so the “narrative” had a few more layers.

Renaming roads after woke BS is an outcome. There are a few examples pushing an agenda.

Renaming roads back to what they were, before in this case confederate (more Democrat) activism and without an affiliation is not.

Your Fox-addled post gives me an idea for a great public messaging campaign to appeal to racist idiots.

“Did you know that those DEMONCRATS named YOUR streets after TRAITORS who KILLED our TROOPS? Time to RECLAIM OUR ROADS and dedicate them to REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS!”

Angry much?

I am for renaming these streets to just U.S. 29 and 50. Like now Richmond Highway.

In Fredericksburg it is Emancipation Highway, which is how you pervert something like freedom into more hate.

If you can’t see that, you’re probably the one doing it.

“Emancipation highway” is . . . hateful?

Yes, when you run to the other side of the boat, to again remind people who is now in charge, it is.

If you can’t see that, you must be part of the hate.

Alexandria and Arlington renamed it to Richmond Highway. No agenda or message, that time.

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Anonymous wrote:"Woke" Eastern Europe renamed all of their Lenin Avenues. How dare they erase history!

Yeah! What ever happened to Stalingrad? And Leningrad?

False equivalency and exactly the point since those and many other communist places weren’t originally named that either.

It’s the same cycle of BS to remind people who is in charge every time there is a regime change.

Ironically Alexanderplatz in Berlin was named after a Russian Tsar in 1805 and remained so through the formation of Germany, two wars with the Russians, Nazism, Communism, and the end of the Cold War.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CRT is systemic racism. Renaming roads is one of its outcomes.

The first part is correct. CRT is revisionist racist theory and history no different than the Nazis to justify the hate, except people could read back then so the “narrative” had a few more layers.

Renaming roads after woke BS is an outcome. There are a few examples pushing an agenda.

Renaming roads back to what they were, before in this case confederate (more Democrat) activism and without an affiliation is not.

Your Fox-addled post gives me an idea for a great public messaging campaign to appeal to racist idiots.

“Did you know that those DEMONCRATS named YOUR streets after TRAITORS who KILLED our TROOPS? Time to RECLAIM OUR ROADS and dedicate them to REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS!”

Angry much?

I am for renaming these streets to just U.S. 29 and 50. Like now Richmond Highway.

In Fredericksburg it is Emancipation Highway, which is how you pervert something like freedom into more hate.

If you can’t see that, you’re probably the one doing it.

“Emancipation highway” is . . . hateful?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CRT is systemic racism. Renaming roads is one of its outcomes.

The first part is correct. CRT is revisionist racist theory and history no different than the Nazis to justify the hate, except people could read back then so the “narrative” had a few more layers.

Renaming roads after woke BS is an outcome. There are a few examples pushing an agenda.

Renaming roads back to what they were, before in this case confederate (more Democrat) activism and without an affiliation is not.

Your Fox-addled post gives me an idea for a great public messaging campaign to appeal to racist idiots.

“Did you know that those DEMONCRATS named YOUR streets after TRAITORS who KILLED our TROOPS? Time to RECLAIM OUR ROADS and dedicate them to REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS!”

Angry much?

I am for renaming these streets to just U.S. 29 and 50. Like now Richmond Highway.

In Fredericksburg it is Emancipation Highway, which is how you pervert something like freedom into more hate.

If you can’t see that, you’re probably the one doing it.

Anonymous wrote:"Woke" Eastern Europe renamed all of their Lenin Avenues. How dare they erase history!

Yeah! What ever happened to Stalingrad? And Leningrad?

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Anonymous wrote:Removing Lee and Jackson’s names from roads and schools is the lowest of the lowest hanging fruit. All it does is make smug, self-righteous, and privileged white people feel good about themselves.

Want to make real change? Reform the tax, housing, zoning, education, law enforcement, and transportation policies that continue to uphold systematic racism in 2023 and trap a growing underclass of mostly Black and brown people.

Why not both? If anything, the backlash from neo-Confederates against even the "lowest hanging fruit" should underscore how politically difficult it is to dismantle systemic racism and effect real change. Not that that's an excuse. But our public officials should keep pushing forward on all fronts; progress on one doesn't imply lack of effort on others.

Except we’re not really doing both.

Here are the choices:

1. Action that's primarily symbolic, only
2. Action that's primarily symbolic AND action that's more direct
3. No action

I think option 1 (action that's primarily symbolic, only) is better than option 3 (no action). Don't you?

This is the white person cop-out.

Take a symbolic action and say, “Hey! It’s better than nothing.”

I’m AA and don’t know one black person who does not support these name changes. We can concurrently demand substantive changes to our laws and get rid of insulting street names, memorials, etc. (And for the “erasing history” nuts, trust me, we also understand the importance of accurately learning all about this history in schools, museums, documentaries, tv, movies, etc.).

"Woke" Eastern Europe renamed all of their Lenin Avenues. How dare they erase history!

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Anonymous wrote:"Rich confederate history" is a funny way to spell slave-owning traitors.

Agreed. I wonder if Germans celebrate their “rich nazi history”…somehow I doubt it. And yes, slavery was just as bad as nazism.

I'm German (an expat here). I can answer this for you.

In Germany, the law considers swastikas and SS sig runes the "symbols of anti-constitutional organizations." Displaying them publicly or selling goods that sport them is illegal. The Nazi salute and statements such as "Heil Hitler" are also banned in public, illegal, and punishable by law with up to three years in prison.

Banned symbols (which include likeness of Hitler) can only be displayed for education, art/science, covering historic events, etc.

If anyone in Germany wants to "celebrate" that dark part of history, they have to do it in secret. As it should be.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Removing Lee and Jackson’s names from roads and schools is the lowest of the lowest hanging fruit. All it does is make smug, self-righteous, and privileged white people feel good about themselves.

Want to make real change? Reform the tax, housing, zoning, education, law enforcement, and transportation policies that continue to uphold systematic racism in 2023 and trap a growing underclass of mostly Black and brown people.

Why not both? If anything, the backlash from neo-Confederates against even the "lowest hanging fruit" should underscore how politically difficult it is to dismantle systemic racism and effect real change. Not that that's an excuse. But our public officials should keep pushing forward on all fronts; progress on one doesn't imply lack of effort on others.

Except we’re not really doing both.

Here are the choices:

1. Action that's primarily symbolic, only
2. Action that's primarily symbolic AND action that's more direct
3. No action

I think option 1 (action that's primarily symbolic, only) is better than option 3 (no action). Don't you?

This is the white person cop-out.

Take a symbolic action and say, “Hey! It’s better than nothing.”

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CRT is systemic racism. Renaming roads is one of its outcomes.

The first part is correct. CRT is revisionist racist theory and history no different than the Nazis to justify the hate, except people could read back then so the “narrative” had a few more layers.

Renaming roads after woke BS is an outcome. There are a few examples pushing an agenda.

Renaming roads back to what they were, before in this case confederate (more Democrat) activism and without an affiliation is not.

Your Fox-addled post gives me an idea for a great public messaging campaign to appeal to racist idiots.

“Did you know that those DEMONCRATS named YOUR streets after TRAITORS who KILLED our TROOPS? Time to RECLAIM OUR ROADS and dedicate them to REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS!”

That’s pretty much what Pence and DeSantis are out there saying now. They’re both outraged that Fort Bragg is now named Fort Liberty instead of for one of the worst generals in American history who was also a traitor.

They do love U.S. traitors.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Removing Lee and Jackson’s names from roads and schools is the lowest of the lowest hanging fruit. All it does is make smug, self-righteous, and privileged white people feel good about themselves.

Want to make real change? Reform the tax, housing, zoning, education, law enforcement, and transportation policies that continue to uphold systematic racism in 2023 and trap a growing underclass of mostly Black and brown people.

Why not both? If anything, the backlash from neo-Confederates against even the "lowest hanging fruit" should underscore how politically difficult it is to dismantle systemic racism and effect real change. Not that that's an excuse. But our public officials should keep pushing forward on all fronts; progress on one doesn't imply lack of effort on others.

Except we’re not really doing both.

Here are the choices:

1. Action that's primarily symbolic, only
2. Action that's primarily symbolic AND action that's more direct
3. No action

I think option 1 (action that's primarily symbolic, only) is better than option 3 (no action). Don't you?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Removing Lee and Jackson’s names from roads and schools is the lowest of the lowest hanging fruit. All it does is make smug, self-righteous, and privileged white people feel good about themselves.

Want to make real change? Reform the tax, housing, zoning, education, law enforcement, and transportation policies that continue to uphold systematic racism in 2023 and trap a growing underclass of mostly Black and brown people.

Why not both? If anything, the backlash from neo-Confederates against even the "lowest hanging fruit" should underscore how politically difficult it is to dismantle systemic racism and effect real change. Not that that's an excuse. But our public officials should keep pushing forward on all fronts; progress on one doesn't imply lack of effort on others.

Except we’re not really doing both.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CRT is systemic racism. Renaming roads is one of its outcomes.

The first part is correct. CRT is revisionist racist theory and history no different than the Nazis to justify the hate, except people could read back then so the “narrative” had a few more layers.

Renaming roads after woke BS is an outcome. There are a few examples pushing an agenda.

Renaming roads back to what they were, before in this case confederate (more Democrat) activism and without an affiliation is not.

Your Fox-addled post gives me an idea for a great public messaging campaign to appeal to racist idiots.

“Did you know that those DEMONCRATS named YOUR streets after TRAITORS who KILLED our TROOPS? Time to RECLAIM OUR ROADS and dedicate them to REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS!”

That’s pretty much what Pence and DeSantis are out there saying now. They’re both outraged that Fort Bragg is now named Fort Liberty instead of for one of the worst generals in American history who was also a traitor.

Jeez. Nice job old white guys. Sure glad you run the power structure of the good ol USA.