Anonymous
05/28/2023 11:12
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
What would you say is the highest COLA you have received during your career?
Anonymous
05/28/2023 10:49
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
One thing that’s frustrating about teaching is the need for repetition:
As I posted before,
I work 40 weeks a year at 60 hours a week:
2400 hours
A full-time (12 month) position at 40 hours a week:
2000 hours
I suppose you can say I work a 12 month position condensed into 10? And then an extra 400 hours on top of that?
I also have a summer job since I don’t get paid enough as a teacher, so I don’t actually have any long, luxurious vacation.
This isn’t a complaint, but you better believe I will correct misconceptions about my profession every time they come up.
And I still have seen nobody here say they’ll join our sinking ship. It’s as if you know it isn’t a good deal? (And I’m worth far more than your “robust” 120K above, a salary I’ll never see, not even if I have 25 years on and a PhD.)
Do you really believe that all of these other people in jobs with scheduled hours only work 40 hours/week? If so, you’re probably not fit to be teaching anyway, because you have no idea how the real world works.
I’ve been in the “real world.” I’m a career changer. I remember eating long lunches, sitting in a quiet office, taking short breaks when needed, and leaving with empty hands at the end of the day.
I don’t assume that defines your job, but I’m respectful enough not to assume.
Don’t make assumptions about mine. This thread is filled with assumptions about teachers and how good they have it. If that were truly the case, there wouldn’t be tons of threads on DCUM about the massive teaching exodus occurring right now. I wouldn’t be covering for 3 teachers who left mid-year because of stress and exhaustion.
The whining never ends!
This thread wasn’t even started by a teacher and I had to get to the 14th post before someone identified as a teacher chimed in to say how many years they had worked to be at $80k.
The thread may have been started by a parent who is also a teacher or a teacher pretending to be a parent. It quickly devolved into the usual set of complaints and demands for more money.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 10:34
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
One thing that’s frustrating about teaching is the need for repetition:
As I posted before,
I work 40 weeks a year at 60 hours a week:
2400 hours
A full-time (12 month) position at 40 hours a week:
2000 hours
I suppose you can say I work a 12 month position condensed into 10? And then an extra 400 hours on top of that?
I also have a summer job since I don’t get paid enough as a teacher, so I don’t actually have any long, luxurious vacation.
This isn’t a complaint, but you better believe I will correct misconceptions about my profession every time they come up.
And I still have seen nobody here say they’ll join our sinking ship. It’s as if you know it isn’t a good deal? (And I’m worth far more than your “robust” 120K above, a salary I’ll never see, not even if I have 25 years on and a PhD.)
Do you really believe that all of these other people in jobs with scheduled hours only work 40 hours/week? If so, you’re probably not fit to be teaching anyway, because you have no idea how the real world works.
I’ve been in the “real world.” I’m a career changer. I remember eating long lunches, sitting in a quiet office, taking short breaks when needed, and leaving with empty hands at the end of the day.
I don’t assume that defines your job, but I’m respectful enough not to assume.
Don’t make assumptions about mine. This thread is filled with assumptions about teachers and how good they have it. If that were truly the case, there wouldn’t be tons of threads on DCUM about the massive teaching exodus occurring right now. I wouldn’t be covering for 3 teachers who left mid-year because of stress and exhaustion.
The whining never ends!
This thread wasn’t even started by a teacher and I had to get to the 14th post before someone identified as a teacher chimed in to say how many years they had worked to be at $80k.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 10:33
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
Again, what are those generous benefits?
Let me guess. I bet they include (sarcasm alert)
* Fully paid healthcare for life
* You can retire after 20 years
/s
As far as I know, those are not benefits from FCPS. 😊
Right. That’s what I was saying.
+1. The benefits are way overhyped for newer hires, especially now that they switched to a crappy healthcare provider.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 10:09
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
One thing that’s frustrating about teaching is the need for repetition:
As I posted before,
I work 40 weeks a year at 60 hours a week:
2400 hours
A full-time (12 month) position at 40 hours a week:
2000 hours
I suppose you can say I work a 12 month position condensed into 10? And then an extra 400 hours on top of that?
I also have a summer job since I don’t get paid enough as a teacher, so I don’t actually have any long, luxurious vacation.
This isn’t a complaint, but you better believe I will correct misconceptions about my profession every time they come up.
And I still have seen nobody here say they’ll join our sinking ship. It’s as if you know it isn’t a good deal? (And I’m worth far more than your “robust” 120K above, a salary I’ll never see, not even if I have 25 years on and a PhD.)
Do you really believe that all of these other people in jobs with scheduled hours only work 40 hours/week? If so, you’re probably not fit to be teaching anyway, because you have no idea how the real world works.
I’ve been in the “real world.” I’m a career changer. I remember eating long lunches, sitting in a quiet office, taking short breaks when needed, and leaving with empty hands at the end of the day.
I don’t assume that defines your job, but I’m respectful enough not to assume.
Don’t make assumptions about mine. This thread is filled with assumptions about teachers and how good they have it. If that were truly the case, there wouldn’t be tons of threads on DCUM about the massive teaching exodus occurring right now. I wouldn’t be covering for 3 teachers who left mid-year because of stress and exhaustion.
The whining never ends!
Anonymous
05/28/2023 10:02
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
Again, what are those generous benefits?
Let me guess. I bet they include (sarcasm alert)
* Fully paid healthcare for life
* You can retire after 20 years
/s
As far as I know, those are not benefits from FCPS. 😊
Right. That’s what I was saying.
+100, with the exception of additional retirement, the benefits are no different than any other typical job.
My husband’s job has “generous benefits”. They pay for his EZ Pass, supply monthly gas cards, bonuses 2-3 times a year, cover lunch at minimum 1 day a week, have snacks and beverages on hand in the office, flex hours, etc.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 09:38
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
Again, what are those generous benefits?
Let me guess. I bet they include (sarcasm alert)
* Fully paid healthcare for life
* You can retire after 20 years
/s
As far as I know, those are not benefits from FCPS. 😊
Right. That’s what I was saying.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 09:27
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.
Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.
So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.
And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?
I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.
Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.
And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 09:27
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
Again, what are those generous benefits?
Let me guess. I bet they include (sarcasm alert)
* Fully paid healthcare for life
* You can retire after 20 years
/s
As far as I know, those are not benefits from FCPS. 😊
Anonymous
05/28/2023 09:26
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
One thing that’s frustrating about teaching is the need for repetition:
As I posted before,
I work 40 weeks a year at 60 hours a week:
2400 hours
A full-time (12 month) position at 40 hours a week:
2000 hours
I suppose you can say I work a 12 month position condensed into 10? And then an extra 400 hours on top of that?
I also have a summer job since I don’t get paid enough as a teacher, so I don’t actually have any long, luxurious vacation.
This isn’t a complaint, but you better believe I will correct misconceptions about my profession every time they come up.
And I still have seen nobody here say they’ll join our sinking ship. It’s as if you know it isn’t a good deal? (And I’m worth far more than your “robust” 120K above, a salary I’ll never see, not even if I have 25 years on and a PhD.)
Do you really believe that all of these other people in jobs with scheduled hours only work 40 hours/week? If so, you’re probably not fit to be teaching anyway, because you have no idea how the real world works.
I’ve been in the “real world.” I’m a career changer. I remember eating long lunches, sitting in a quiet office, taking short breaks when needed, and leaving with empty hands at the end of the day.
I don’t assume that defines your job, but I’m respectful enough not to assume.
Don’t make assumptions about mine. This thread is filled with assumptions about teachers and how good they have it. If that were truly the case, there wouldn’t be tons of threads on DCUM about the massive teaching exodus occurring right now. I wouldn’t be covering for 3 teachers who left mid-year because of stress and exhaustion.
+1, I also worked in Corporate America for 15 years, taught for 12, and returned to the non-teaching workforce this year. I take so many breaks whenever I like, take lunches that vary from 15-90 minutes depending on my workload, read articles online, listen to music and podcasts, and get my work done well before their deadlines.
Yes, I check my email over the weekend and every once in a while complete a little work at home; but it is nothing like when I was teaching.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 09:21
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
Again, what are those generous benefits?
Let me guess. I bet they include (sarcasm alert)
* Fully paid healthcare for life
* You can retire after 20 years
/s
Anonymous
05/28/2023 09:18
Subject: Re:3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.
Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.
So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.
And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?
Anonymous
05/28/2023 09:00
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
One thing that’s frustrating about teaching is the need for repetition:
As I posted before,
I work 40 weeks a year at 60 hours a week:
2400 hours
A full-time (12 month) position at 40 hours a week:
2000 hours
I suppose you can say I work a 12 month position condensed into 10? And then an extra 400 hours on top of that?
I also have a summer job since I don’t get paid enough as a teacher, so I don’t actually have any long, luxurious vacation.
This isn’t a complaint, but you better believe I will correct misconceptions about my profession every time they come up.
And I still have seen nobody here say they’ll join our sinking ship. It’s as if you know it isn’t a good deal? (And I’m worth far more than your “robust” 120K above, a salary I’ll never see, not even if I have 25 years on and a PhD.)
Do you really believe that all of these other people in jobs with scheduled hours only work 40 hours/week? If so, you’re probably not fit to be teaching anyway, because you have no idea how the real world works.
I’ve been in the “real world.” I’m a career changer. I remember eating long lunches, sitting in a quiet office, taking short breaks when needed, and leaving with empty hands at the end of the day.
I don’t assume that defines your job, but I’m respectful enough not to assume.
Don’t make assumptions about mine. This thread is filled with assumptions about teachers and how good they have it. If that were truly the case, there wouldn’t be tons of threads on DCUM about the massive teaching exodus occurring right now. I wouldn’t be covering for 3 teachers who left mid-year because of stress and exhaustion.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 08:45
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
One thing that’s frustrating about teaching is the need for repetition:
As I posted before,
I work 40 weeks a year at 60 hours a week:
2400 hours
A full-time (12 month) position at 40 hours a week:
2000 hours
I suppose you can say I work a 12 month position condensed into 10? And then an extra 400 hours on top of that?
I also have a summer job since I don’t get paid enough as a teacher, so I don’t actually have any long, luxurious vacation.
This isn’t a complaint, but you better believe I will correct misconceptions about my profession every time they come up.
And I still have seen nobody here say they’ll join our sinking ship. It’s as if you know it isn’t a good deal? (And I’m worth far more than your “robust” 120K above, a salary I’ll never see, not even if I have 25 years on and a PhD.)
Do you really believe that all of these other people in jobs with scheduled hours only work 40 hours/week? If so, you’re probably not fit to be teaching anyway, because you have no idea how the real world works.
Anonymous
05/28/2023 08:45
Subject: 3% raise for teachers? What a joke FCPS!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:most 20 year olds don’t get 3 months off a year from work!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.
I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.
My child's teacher makes $80k+
Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.
Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.
Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!
I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.
See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.
Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.
In addition to VRS, summertime is really the only perk. And for some, summer and breaks are a financial strain/stressor.
How is it a vacation if you’re working another job? I know not all teachers do, but almost all of the teachers in their 20s do, as well as a decent percentage of the others.
Teachers don’t get 3 months off. Nobody has a 12 week summer.
Teachers aren’t paid for 2 months. Let’s get this straight now.
Many teachers have to work another job during the summer. Heck, I started mine last week. I’ll be working 2 jobs until the school year ends.
Let’s get that idea of teachers lazing around out of your head. It isn’t reality.
Np. You definitely get 3 months off. Add up fall, winter, spring breaks plus 2.5 months of summer.
I think what you’re not seeing is that so many of us really want to work part time but our jobs don’t allow for it. I don’t care if I made 3/4 money. At this point I’d like time with my kids. I wanted to be a teacher growing up and I probably should have.
Teaching really isn’t full time pay. But when you’re married with kids, the schedule can be a blessing. I personally have a big issue with school schedules being so short.
+1000. Thank you for bringing some clarity to this discussion.
Also, when you annualize a 3/4 time job, you actually end up with almost $120k. That's a pretty robust salary especially when also considering the pension, 401k retirement match and all those other generous benefits.
Again, what are those generous benefits?