Anonymous
04/11/2023 17:13
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of cheap land to be had near the MD/PA border, in southern MD and near Prince William County. Build clean, safe, spacious housing for the homeless there & have them live there only. Bus them to & from DC.
Annnnnd what if they don't want to go?
Well, people have always lived where they can afford. This is nothing new.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 16:44
Subject: Re:Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. It would be much more efficient to provide services to the homeless if they’re housed in one place.
They aren't children or prisoners. Many homeless (and adults in general) do not want others telling them what to do and where to go. Many are not looking for services or housing. They prefer to exist day to day.
Police should have an iron-fist approach
The Supreme Court has struck down anti-loitering laws, this could not be done legally.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 16:37
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:I am from Western Maryland, and the Feds, Maryland, and the county have built prisons in the area to "rejuvenate it." It has the opposite as it has worsened already bad schools, housing, crime, and unsavoriness.
Placing homeless shelters in the area would have a similar effect -- not from families -- but from the homeless. If homeless advocates believe that many of the homeless are suffering form mental health issues, the least thing they need is to be dumped in an area with limited mental health and medical care, strained social welfare services, and exacerbate the petty crime problem.
My city is hanging on by its fingernails and another blow like this would put it under. Why foist the problems created by cities on rural areas?
For you, Hagerstown or Cumberland or wherever is home. For the OP, it's just "away" - the same "away" as in "throw away".
Anonymous
04/11/2023 16:32
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Most homeless people need mental health services as well as physical housing.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 15:23
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
I am from Western Maryland, and the Feds, Maryland, and the county have built prisons in the area to "rejuvenate it." It has the opposite as it has worsened already bad schools, housing, crime, and unsavoriness.
Placing homeless shelters in the area would have a similar effect -- not from families -- but from the homeless. If homeless advocates believe that many of the homeless are suffering form mental health issues, the least thing they need is to be dumped in an area with limited mental health and medical care, strained social welfare services, and exacerbate the petty crime problem.
My city is hanging on by its fingernails and another blow like this would put it under. Why foist the problems created by cities on rural areas?
Placing homeless shelters in the area would have a similar effect -- not from families -- but from the homeless. If homeless advocates believe that many of the homeless are suffering form mental health issues, the least thing they need is to be dumped in an area with limited mental health and medical care, strained social welfare services, and exacerbate the petty crime problem.
My city is hanging on by its fingernails and another blow like this would put it under. Why foist the problems created by cities on rural areas?
Anonymous
04/11/2023 15:07
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They need to be in the city to access services.
No
NP. Brilliant counterpoint, but you are wrong. People in rural areas often travel great distances for medical and dental care, or even a grocery store. They do not have adequate services for the homeless.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 15:00
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rural areas don't want your problem people. Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with your reject people.
Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with their own problems.
Even the poorest rural area is less violent than the poorer urban one.
In absolute numbers, sure, because there are less people. But per capita, rural areas are as, if not more, violent than cities. And rural areas have plenty of poverty, drug use, domestic violence, unemployment, etc. Rural poverty is really just a different animal from urban poverty.
The violence in rural areas isn’t generally stranger violence though. It generally involves people that know each other, that to me is what makes the rural violence rates vs urban violence rates and apples to oranges comparison.
Most violence in urban areas is also between people who know each other: https://www.statista.com/statistics/195327/murder-in-the-us-by-relationship-of-victim-to-offender/
Right, but what you by and large don’t see in exurban/rural areas on the same scale as urban areas are murders like the one that happened in Ivy City, the robbery and carjacking sprees like the one that happened last week where 4 teens were just arrested, the multiple attempted carjackings/shooting at Wheaton mall.
Probably because there are a lot fewer people and no malls.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 14:57
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rural areas don't want your problem people. Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with your reject people.
Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with their own problems.
Even the poorest rural area is less violent than the poorer urban one.
In absolute numbers, sure, because there are less people. But per capita, rural areas are as, if not more, violent than cities. And rural areas have plenty of poverty, drug use, domestic violence, unemployment, etc. Rural poverty is really just a different animal from urban poverty.
The violence in rural areas isn’t generally stranger violence though. It generally involves people that know each other, that to me is what makes the rural violence rates vs urban violence rates and apples to oranges comparison.
Most violence in urban areas is also between people who know each other: https://www.statista.com/statistics/195327/murder-in-the-us-by-relationship-of-victim-to-offender/
Right, but what you by and large don’t see in exurban/rural areas on the same scale as urban areas are murders like the one that happened in Ivy City, the robbery and carjacking sprees like the one that happened last week where 4 teens were just arrested, the multiple attempted carjackings/shooting at Wheaton mall.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 14:42
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:They need to be in the city to access services.
No
Anonymous
04/11/2023 14:41
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rural areas don't want your problem people. Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with your reject people.
Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with their own problems.
Exactly.
This entire thread is bonkers. Functionally it's like building prisons in rural areas - ok, offers a few jobs, but doesn't substantively improve the lives of either locals or prisoners. And no, I'm not saying homeless people are criminal or should be imprisoned, just that it sounds like it would be structurally similar in many ways.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 14:38
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rural areas don't want your problem people. Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with your reject people.
Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with their own problems.
Even the poorest rural area is less violent than the poorer urban one.
In absolute numbers, sure, because there are less people. But per capita, rural areas are as, if not more, violent than cities. And rural areas have plenty of poverty, drug use, domestic violence, unemployment, etc. Rural poverty is really just a different animal from urban poverty.
The violence in rural areas isn’t generally stranger violence though. It generally involves people that know each other, that to me is what makes the rural violence rates vs urban violence rates and apples to oranges comparison.
Most violence in urban areas is also between people who know each other: https://www.statista.com/statistics/195327/murder-in-the-us-by-relationship-of-victim-to-offender/
Anonymous
04/11/2023 14:26
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
They need to be in the city to access services.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 14:21
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rural areas don't want your problem people. Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with your reject people.
Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with their own problems.
Even the poorest rural area is less violent than the poorer urban one.
In absolute numbers, sure, because there are less people. But per capita, rural areas are as, if not more, violent than cities. And rural areas have plenty of poverty, drug use, domestic violence, unemployment, etc. Rural poverty is really just a different animal from urban poverty.
The violence in rural areas isn’t generally stranger violence though. It generally involves people that know each other, that to me is what makes the rural violence rates vs urban violence rates and apples to oranges comparison.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 14:14
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rural areas don't want your problem people. Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with your reject people.
Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with their own problems.
Even the poorest rural area is less violent than the poorer urban one.
In absolute numbers, sure, because there are less people. But per capita, rural areas are as, if not more, violent than cities. And rural areas have plenty of poverty, drug use, domestic violence, unemployment, etc. Rural poverty is really just a different animal from urban poverty.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 14:14
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rural areas don't want your problem people. Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with your reject people.
Rural areas do not have the supports to deal with their own problems.
Even the poorest rural area is less violent than the poorer urban one.
This is not actually true: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-violence-in-rural-america/