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Anonymous wrote:I know the all boys schools in my area lie about their graduation rates so parents think their kids are messed up if they don't want to be there. Do the all boys schools discussed here all say their graduation rates are 100%???

great question here. What are the graduation rates of these schools. Do they say 100%?

According to niche.com STA has a graduation rate of 100%. Can anyone here confirm that no one has ever left the school and that everyone that has ever gone there has stayed and graduated? A graduation rate of 100% is either amazing or dishonest.

Depends on how the cohort is defined. Usually, schools/DOEs define the adjusted cohort something like this: The four-year cohort is based on the number of students who enter grade 9 for the first time adjusted by adding into the cohort any student who transfers in later during grade 9 or during the next three years and subtracting any student from the cohort who transfers out, emigrates to another country, transfers to a prison or juvenile facility, or dies during that same period.

Interesting thank you. So if the cohort removed anyone who left the school, then 100% would be accurate but misleading at the same time.

DP here. It means kids staying until the end are all graduating as opposed to kids that don't have enough credits or have not completed their requirements. So all seniors enrolled at the school until senior spring last day of classes have met their requirements to graduate.

when I think of a graduation rate, it means the rate at which people that go to a school graduate. Not people that stay until graduation and then graduate. But thank you for clarifying. That is helpful. Do we know the graduation rate if we including everyone that went to school at any point?

Sounds like you are fishing? All schools have kids that transfer out or leave for a variety of reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:I know the all boys schools in my area lie about their graduation rates so parents think their kids are messed up if they don't want to be there. Do the all boys schools discussed here all say their graduation rates are 100%???

great question here. What are the graduation rates of these schools. Do they say 100%?

According to niche.com STA has a graduation rate of 100%. Can anyone here confirm that no one has ever left the school and that everyone that has ever gone there has stayed and graduated? A graduation rate of 100% is either amazing or dishonest.

Depends on how the cohort is defined. Usually, schools/DOEs define the adjusted cohort something like this: The four-year cohort is based on the number of students who enter grade 9 for the first time adjusted by adding into the cohort any student who transfers in later during grade 9 or during the next three years and subtracting any student from the cohort who transfers out, emigrates to another country, transfers to a prison or juvenile facility, or dies during that same period.

Interesting thank you. So if the cohort removed anyone who left the school, then 100% would be accurate but misleading at the same time.

DP here. It means kids staying until the end are all graduating as opposed to kids that don't have enough credits or have not completed their requirements. So all seniors enrolled at the school until senior spring last day of classes have met their requirements to graduate.

when I think of a graduation rate, it means the rate at which people that go to a school graduate. Not people that stay until graduation and then graduate. But thank you for clarifying. That is helpful. Do we know the graduation rate if we including everyone that went to school at any point?

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Anonymous wrote:I know the all boys schools in my area lie about their graduation rates so parents think their kids are messed up if they don't want to be there. Do the all boys schools discussed here all say their graduation rates are 100%???

great question here. What are the graduation rates of these schools. Do they say 100%?

According to niche.com STA has a graduation rate of 100%. Can anyone here confirm that no one has ever left the school and that everyone that has ever gone there has stayed and graduated? A graduation rate of 100% is either amazing or dishonest.

Depends on how the cohort is defined. Usually, schools/DOEs define the adjusted cohort something like this: The four-year cohort is based on the number of students who enter grade 9 for the first time adjusted by adding into the cohort any student who transfers in later during grade 9 or during the next three years and subtracting any student from the cohort who transfers out, emigrates to another country, transfers to a prison or juvenile facility, or dies during that same period.

Interesting thank you. So if the cohort removed anyone who left the school, then 100% would be accurate but misleading at the same time.

DP here. It means kids staying until the end are all graduating as opposed to kids that don't have enough credits or have not completed their requirements. So all seniors enrolled at the school until senior spring last day of classes have met their requirements to graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:I know the all boys schools in my area lie about their graduation rates so parents think their kids are messed up if they don't want to be there. Do the all boys schools discussed here all say their graduation rates are 100%???

great question here. What are the graduation rates of these schools. Do they say 100%?

According to niche.com STA has a graduation rate of 100%. Can anyone here confirm that no one has ever left the school and that everyone that has ever gone there has stayed and graduated? A graduation rate of 100% is either amazing or dishonest.

Depends on how the cohort is defined. Usually, schools/DOEs define the adjusted cohort something like this: The four-year cohort is based on the number of students who enter grade 9 for the first time adjusted by adding into the cohort any student who transfers in later during grade 9 or during the next three years and subtracting any student from the cohort who transfers out, emigrates to another country, transfers to a prison or juvenile facility, or dies during that same period.

Interesting thank you. So if the cohort removed anyone who left the school, then 100% would be accurate but misleading at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:I know the all boys schools in my area lie about their graduation rates so parents think their kids are messed up if they don't want to be there. Do the all boys schools discussed here all say their graduation rates are 100%???

great question here. What are the graduation rates of these schools. Do they say 100%?

According to niche.com STA has a graduation rate of 100%. Can anyone here confirm that no one has ever left the school and that everyone that has ever gone there has stayed and graduated? A graduation rate of 100% is either amazing or dishonest.

Depends on how the cohort is defined. Usually, schools/DOEs define the adjusted cohort something like this: The four-year cohort is based on the number of students who enter grade 9 for the first time adjusted by adding into the cohort any student who transfers in later during grade 9 or during the next three years and subtracting any student from the cohort who transfers out, emigrates to another country, transfers to a prison or juvenile facility, or dies during that same period.

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Anonymous wrote:I know the all boys schools in my area lie about their graduation rates so parents think their kids are messed up if they don't want to be there. Do the all boys schools discussed here all say their graduation rates are 100%???

great question here. What are the graduation rates of these schools. Do they say 100%?

According to niche.com STA has a graduation rate of 100%. Can anyone here confirm that no one has ever left the school and that everyone that has ever gone there has stayed and graduated? A graduation rate of 100% is either amazing or dishonest.

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Anonymous wrote:I know the all boys schools in my area lie about their graduation rates so parents think their kids are messed up if they don't want to be there. Do the all boys schools discussed here all say their graduation rates are 100%???

great question here. What are the graduation rates of these schools. Do they say 100%?

According to niche.com STA has a graduation rate of 100%. Can anyone here confirm that no one has ever left the school and that everyone that has ever gone there has stayed and graduated? A graduation rate of 100% is either amazing or dishonest.

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Anonymous wrote:I know the all boys schools in my area lie about their graduation rates so parents think their kids are messed up if they don't want to be there. Do the all boys schools discussed here all say their graduation rates are 100%???

great question here. What are the graduation rates of these schools. Do they say 100%?

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quoting you "but his impression is that many of the girls spout feminist ideas that they have not really thought about themselves, and they are combative in class and seem very unhappy and stressed academically."

Combative. Feminist. Sounds like how the STA boys used to like to put down NCS girls back in the 90s!

I'll grant you stressed academically is accurate. NCS is harder than STA and the girls work much harder than their counterparts at STA.

Why is described by someone as feminist a put down? My son’s sisters would describe themselves that way. However, repeating traditional feminist ideas without having explored them with intellectual rigor suggests more of a “following the party line” than independent thinking.

So STA boys still look down on/ are cowered by NCS girls.

It appears that nothing has changed since the ‘80s.

I’m a feminist and mom of two STA boys. I would not say the boys are in any way cowed by NCS girls.

The cultures of the two schools are quite different. The STA boys learn early on to have respectful conversations that leave their interlocutors with dignity, respecting their basic humanity even if they disagree. You disagree with the position, you don’t disrespect the person.

The NCS girls are taught that being strong means disparaging the other person to the point of cancellation. If you disagree with a “correct” position, you should be crushed like a bug. There is no distance between the position and the person.

This is what I believe the other mom’s sons meant when they said the NCS girls are “combative.”

My children went to Beauvoir, have friends among the NCS girls, and I know and love some of the NCS girls. However, they have been growing in a different intellectual culture. NCS is decidedly dominated by more left-of-center thinking and I’d probably feel more comfortable in that parent community. I’d be surrounded by people who agree with me. The disadvantage of that environment is that it allows the girls to become mired in groupthink.

STA is more politically diverse. It also explicitly teaches respectful, considerate debate and asks the boys to learn how to take on difficult issues without disparaging one another. That is a valuable life skill and is one of the many things about STA that makes the tuition more than worthwhile to me and my husband. That’s not to say there isn’t any groupthink among members of the STA community but the boys are challenged to challenge themselves and one another - politely and with brotherhood in mind.

BVR, NCS (and STA hopeful) parent here. How do you know this about NCS girls? How can you claim to be a feminist and the putting down a whole community of girls? Is this what kids learn at STA? I guess it’s good that you don’t have daughters.

My boys are friends with NCS girls. We (gasp) occasionally have them in our home and I overhear them discuss issues, debate, and this is what I’ve observed. I’d say my comments are less about the girls and more about the teaching culture at NCS.

Based on the way the girls debate, they have not been taught to do so with the same kind of consideration for their opponents/interlocutors that the boys at STA are. I’ve heard NCS girls use ad hominem and personal attacks in a way that I do not see in STA boys of the same age.

I do have a daughter. She does not attend NCS.

I will observe that you have used the same style of argument that I’ve observed in NCS girls: jumping to conclusions (assuming I don’t have a daughter), unfounded accusations confusion (how dare you attack an entire community of girls; I observed a style of argument/debate not the girls themselves), misplaced attribution (as a mom I obviously don’t attend STA so the question “Is this what kids learn at STA?” makes no sense; you’re attributing to STA and its boys an observation made by a female parent whose education could not have occurred at STA).

Thank you for so perfectly exemplifying what I was trying to convey.

This says it all. For whatever reason the parents at STA that have daughters at schools other than NCS have a very strange chip on their shoulder about NCS. I don't get it. I think they are envious that their daughters are not part of the experience on the close and have some regrets and justify it by attacking a school of young women. I am happy I do not feel that animosity toward any school. To each your own.

Why would they be envious? Your statement assumes the girls didn’t get in. We were at STA for years hearing stories about NCS from NCS parents who also had boys at STA. DD had a cohort of friends from Beauvoir who chose other schools.

NCS has major issues: pressure cooker environment, grade deflation, leadership issues, hyper competitiveness, and mental health issues among the girls that can create some seriously weird drama. Girls who do crazy sh*t and are asked ro leave for “medical reasons.”

Many smart girls prefer a different environment.

Something is very off about your posts and they are not believable. Sounds like you have an agenda and axe to grind and are a bit unstable.

Anonymous wrote:Late to the party but I get you OP, having gone to an all girls school in the 1980s. People jump to conclusions that you are anti-male but they do not know the misogyny we saw in those all boys environments (schools we were paired with) at the time. They just can't understand unless they were in that exact situation.

I know (I hope) all boys schools have improved since then. And the ones in this area seem like great schools. But rightly or wrongly, I'd never ever consider an all boys schools for my two younger sons. My own issue? Sure. But that's where OP is coming from.

That said, I do think there's some benefit in coming from a coed school and only doing the single sex experience for four years.

Anonymous wrote:Late to the party but I get you OP, having gone to an all girls school in the 1980s. People jump to conclusions that you are anti-male but they do not know the misogyny we saw in those all boys environments (schools we were paired with) at the time. They just can't understand unless they were in that exact situation.

I know (I hope) all boys schools have improved since then. And the ones in this area seem like great schools. But rightly or wrongly, I'd never ever consider an all boys schools for my two younger sons. My own issue? Sure. But that's where OP is coming from.

That said, I do think there's some benefit in coming from a coed school and only doing the single sex experience for four years.

Anonymous wrote:Same reasons parents send their kids to all-girls schools.

All-boys schools tend to understand boys better. That they need a lot of physical activity, and that them being antsy after a long day isn’t “aggression” or “ADHD.”