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Post 04/07/2023 17:40     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:You anti-bike people are insane. Why even live in or commute to the city? Go make your life out in the exurbs and leave us alone.

Are you aware that less than 4% of the city population bike commutes? You exist in a very narrow minority.

I am aware that both myself and my children would all commute by bike if there were a safe way to do so. And I live right off Conn Ave.

Also, isn't 4% like 28,000 people? Do you want 30,000 more cars on the street for your commute?

1. It is 4% of COMMUTERS. So more like less than 10,000 people and likely substantially lower.

2. Your math indicates that you believe DC has 700,000 residents which is disqualifying.

3. There is a thing called public transit, which a lot of people use.


There are a lot of people who wouldn't be considered "commuters" who would use the bike lanes to bike from one neighborhood to another to shop, eat, etc. Those are not factored into the 4% commuter figure the anti's keep falsely citing.

1. I stand corrected it is only 2% of commuters (thanks PPP)

2. Define “a lot”

3. Why not just use other options available to you? Take transit like the rest of us or bike on side streets?

4. At a time when the city is cutting support to people to prevent eviction and displacement, do you realize how tone deaf you sound? You claim to be a cyclist but I do wonder when the actual last time you touched grass because you are living in a real small bubble.


I don't believe you take transit or patronize local businesses, if you did you wouldn't be complaining about bike lanes. The people who don't want the bike lanes are car commuters who want to be able to speed down Conn Ave at 45mph on their way from their home garage to their work garage and back to their home garage.


What's wrong with that? That's life. Do you expect people from the suburbs to drive to the district line, park, get on a bike and bike the rest of the way to work? How about anyone over 30 who doesn't want to hang their head down as they peddle UP HILL all the way back? Are you crazy? Most people simply will not, ever, bike to work. Most people. Most people don't have time, energy, or a shower waiting for them at work. Most people want to get ready for work at home, not take rumpled clothes out of their bike bag at the office. Most people have busy lives that have more in them than simply riding a bike to and from work. Get a life. Ride your bike if you are fortunate enough to have the time, but don't expect others to become completely different people than they are to suit your need to ride a bike.


It's not just work that's a destination, of course. You can go to get groceries, run errands, meet up with friends, etc... farther than walking and without worrying about parking. The increasing number of e-bikes also increases this mobility.


Apparently the only trip that matters is the trip to or from work, which it is only possible to make in a car.
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Post 04/07/2023 17:19     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:You anti-bike people are insane. Why even live in or commute to the city? Go make your life out in the exurbs and leave us alone.

Are you aware that less than 4% of the city population bike commutes? You exist in a very narrow minority.

I am aware that both myself and my children would all commute by bike if there were a safe way to do so. And I live right off Conn Ave.

Also, isn't 4% like 28,000 people? Do you want 30,000 more cars on the street for your commute?

1. It is 4% of COMMUTERS. So more like less than 10,000 people and likely substantially lower.

2. Your math indicates that you believe DC has 700,000 residents which is disqualifying.

3. There is a thing called public transit, which a lot of people use.


There are a lot of people who wouldn't be considered "commuters" who would use the bike lanes to bike from one neighborhood to another to shop, eat, etc. Those are not factored into the 4% commuter figure the anti's keep falsely citing.

1. I stand corrected it is only 2% of commuters (thanks PPP)

2. Define “a lot”

3. Why not just use other options available to you? Take transit like the rest of us or bike on side streets?

4. At a time when the city is cutting support to people to prevent eviction and displacement, do you realize how tone deaf you sound? You claim to be a cyclist but I do wonder when the actual last time you touched grass because you are living in a real small bubble.


I don't believe you take transit or patronize local businesses, if you did you wouldn't be complaining about bike lanes. The people who don't want the bike lanes are car commuters who want to be able to speed down Conn Ave at 45mph on their way from their home garage to their work garage and back to their home garage.


What's wrong with that? That's life. Do you expect people from the suburbs to drive to the district line, park, get on a bike and bike the rest of the way to work? How about anyone over 30 who doesn't want to hang their head down as they peddle UP HILL all the way back? Are you crazy? Most people simply will not, ever, bike to work. Most people. Most people don't have time, energy, or a shower waiting for them at work. Most people want to get ready for work at home, not take rumpled clothes out of their bike bag at the office. Most people have busy lives that have more in them than simply riding a bike to and from work. Get a life. Ride your bike if you are fortunate enough to have the time, but don't expect others to become completely different people than they are to suit your need to ride a bike.


It's not just work that's a destination, of course. You can go to get groceries, run errands, meet up with friends, etc... farther than walking and without worrying about parking. The increasing number of e-bikes also increases this mobility.
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Post 04/07/2023 17:19     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all


You’re right, it’s a conspiracy to supply bike riding children to DDOT so DDOT can build bikelanes that roll the kids right into the basement of Comet Ping Pong.


No, it's just some minor grift. A fairly obvious one considering that it would cost substantially less to give the students a free bike instead. Is it the biggest source of waste and abuse in the budget? Of course not but I do not for the life of me understand how anyone can defend it.


how about a free e-bike??
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2023 17:18     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief lone obsessed cyclist person who has posted all these replies, give it a rest already. You are arguing with yourself. Whatever points you think you are making are irrelevant.

Let’s have a dose of reality, shall we?

The City’s budget is deep in the red. The DC Council is prioritizing restoring funding for schools due to change in formulas and emergency rental assistance. Add to that all of the unfunded bills from last FY that never got implemented and the disagreement around funding and implementation of the fare free bus program.

How narcissistic do you have to believe that the city should and will cut any of those things to prioritize bike lanes in upper NW?


It is sad that you don't know the difference between a capital budget and an operational budget. Maybe brush up a little and try again another time.

It’s sad that in your arrogance you don’t know that the CT Ave bike lanes were not fully funded in the CIP, meaning that they are competing for resources with every other need in the city.
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Post 04/07/2023 16:54     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all


Your tax dollars at work.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2023 16:50     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all


You’re right, it’s a conspiracy to supply bike riding children to DDOT so DDOT can build bikelanes that roll the kids right into the basement of Comet Ping Pong.


No, it's just some minor grift. A fairly obvious one considering that it would cost substantially less to give the students a free bike instead. Is it the biggest source of waste and abuse in the budget? Of course not but I do not for the life of me understand how anyone can defend it.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2023 16:48     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:You anti-bike people are insane. Why even live in or commute to the city? Go make your life out in the exurbs and leave us alone.

Are you aware that less than 4% of the city population bike commutes? You exist in a very narrow minority.

I am aware that both myself and my children would all commute by bike if there were a safe way to do so. And I live right off Conn Ave.

Also, isn't 4% like 28,000 people? Do you want 30,000 more cars on the street for your commute?

1. It is 4% of COMMUTERS. So more like less than 10,000 people and likely substantially lower.

2. Your math indicates that you believe DC has 700,000 residents which is disqualifying.

3. There is a thing called public transit, which a lot of people use.


There are a lot of people who wouldn't be considered "commuters" who would use the bike lanes to bike from one neighborhood to another to shop, eat, etc. Those are not factored into the 4% commuter figure the anti's keep falsely citing.

1. I stand corrected it is only 2% of commuters (thanks PPP)

2. Define “a lot”

3. Why not just use other options available to you? Take transit like the rest of us or bike on side streets?

4. At a time when the city is cutting support to people to prevent eviction and displacement, do you realize how tone deaf you sound? You claim to be a cyclist but I do wonder when the actual last time you touched grass because you are living in a real small bubble.


I don't believe you take transit or patronize local businesses, if you did you wouldn't be complaining about bike lanes. The people who don't want the bike lanes are car commuters who want to be able to speed down Conn Ave at 45mph on their way from their home garage to their work garage and back to their home garage.


What's wrong with that? That's life. Do you expect people from the suburbs to drive to the district line, park, get on a bike and bike the rest of the way to work? How about anyone over 30 who doesn't want to hang their head down as they peddle UP HILL all the way back? Are you crazy? Most people simply will not, ever, bike to work. Most people. Most people don't have time, energy, or a shower waiting for them at work. Most people want to get ready for work at home, not take rumpled clothes out of their bike bag at the office. Most people have busy lives that have more in them than simply riding a bike to and from work. Get a life. Ride your bike if you are fortunate enough to have the time, but don't expect others to become completely different people than they are to suit your need to ride a bike.


You forgot to mention the double-amputee great-grandmother with the refrigerator-delivery/horse-boarding business. Not everyone can bike for every trip, therefore bikes and bike infrastructure are stupid and useless!


MOST people can't. Most people.
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Post 04/07/2023 16:44     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


It is such a trope to suggest this is for several dozen wealthy white people. As it currently sits, there are a lot of blue collar workers who ride bikes and bring them into the backs of the restaruants etc they work in. YOu don't see them because they are commuting to their work midday and are leaving in the dark of night. You have NO idea how people get to and from their jobs.


If they're coming in mid day and leaving at night, when the roads are dead, they don't need bike lanes.


It is dark out...they need them more than ever. This isn't about the road being congested and having bikes in a different space. It is about having a safe space for bikes and pedestrians, segregated from cars all together.


Then make sidewalks for bikes. Don't take up space that is urgently needed for cars to drive on. More people need roads for cars than they do for bikes. That's the reality of how we use the space.


The sidewalks are for pedestrians and sidewalk cafes. You know, the ones the businesses need to stay afloat. I guess we should let the businesses know that the bike lane opponents want to remove their outdoor seating.


Nice try. Businesses have already said they oppose bike lanes, because they hurt business.


businesses don’t get to dictate what happens to public space or how the city manages traffic safety.


Yes, only a handful of bicycle enthusiasts get to.
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Post 04/07/2023 16:40     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


It is such a trope to suggest this is for several dozen wealthy white people. As it currently sits, there are a lot of blue collar workers who ride bikes and bring them into the backs of the restaruants etc they work in. YOu don't see them because they are commuting to their work midday and are leaving in the dark of night. You have NO idea how people get to and from their jobs.


If they're coming in mid day and leaving at night, when the roads are dead, they don't need bike lanes.


It is dark out...they need them more than ever. This isn't about the road being congested and having bikes in a different space. It is about having a safe space for bikes and pedestrians, segregated from cars all together.


Then make sidewalks for bikes. Don't take up space that is urgently needed for cars to drive on. More people need roads for cars than they do for bikes. That's the reality of how we use the space.


Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Pedestrians don't like having bicyclists on the sidewalk. Bicyclists also don't like bicycling on the sidewalk with pedestrians. The only people who like having bicyclists on the sidewalk are drivers.

The reality of how we use that space is that there will be bike lanes on it.


I said, make sidewalks FOR BIKES. Sidewalks for pedestrians and sidewalks for bikes. The bike lanes in idiotic on so many levels. One is that cars have to cross them all the time. The other is that way, way more people need the space for driving than for biking. So dumb.


Ah, sidewalks FOR BIKES. We call those "bike lanes".


No, bike lanes are in the road. Where cars belong. Sidewalks for bikes are not on the road. Just like sidewalks for pedestrians.

If your bike lanes are off the road, like sidewalks are, then I'm all for them.


So you want to keep the same space for cars but squeeze all of the people walking and biking and not polluting, who are supporting their local neighborhood businesses, so you can sit in your car and spew pollution at all the people who have to breath it, while you blow past one commercial area after another in your car.

That sounds....fair.


Don't pretend you care about pollution. Aren't bikers trying to do away with right turn on red? All those cars idling uselessly at red lights, just in case that one bike comes by?


That is more a pedestrian safety issue, but sure, blame it on the cyclists.


Pedestrians are not the ones pushing to eliminate the right turn on red. The cyclists are.


pedestrian here, and sometimes actual pedestrian advocate - right turn on red needs to go. We need bumpouts and protected intersections in many places along Connecticut Avenue. The protected bike lanes should improve pedestrian safety substantially. As someone who owns a car but walks primarily in my neighborhood (really using the car only for ventures to the 'burbs and Costco), I am looking forward to the addition of protected bike lanes along Connecticut.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2023 16:36     Subject: Re:DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

Anonymous wrote:Why do the bike folks always make me want to go out and run over a bunch of cyclists? Talk about the most insufferable pedants in the world...


Because you're a person with a desire to do violent harm to people.
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Post 04/07/2023 16:36     Subject: Re:DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

Anonymous wrote:Why do the bike folks always make me want to go out and run over a bunch of cyclists? Talk about the most insufferable pedants in the world...


Can you cite specifically what has triggered you?
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Post 04/07/2023 16:35     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all


You’re right, it’s a conspiracy to supply bike riding children to DDOT so DDOT can build bikelanes that roll the kids right into the basement of Comet Ping Pong.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2023 16:34     Subject: Re:DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

Why do the bike folks always make me want to go out and run over a bunch of cyclists? Talk about the most insufferable pedants in the world...
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Post 04/07/2023 16:30     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:You anti-bike people are insane. Why even live in or commute to the city? Go make your life out in the exurbs and leave us alone.

Are you aware that less than 4% of the city population bike commutes? You exist in a very narrow minority.

I am aware that both myself and my children would all commute by bike if there were a safe way to do so. And I live right off Conn Ave.

Also, isn't 4% like 28,000 people? Do you want 30,000 more cars on the street for your commute?

1. It is 4% of COMMUTERS. So more like less than 10,000 people and likely substantially lower.

2. Your math indicates that you believe DC has 700,000 residents which is disqualifying.

3. There is a thing called public transit, which a lot of people use.


There are a lot of people who wouldn't be considered "commuters" who would use the bike lanes to bike from one neighborhood to another to shop, eat, etc. Those are not factored into the 4% commuter figure the anti's keep falsely citing.

1. I stand corrected it is only 2% of commuters (thanks PPP)

2. Define “a lot”

3. Why not just use other options available to you? Take transit like the rest of us or bike on side streets?

4. At a time when the city is cutting support to people to prevent eviction and displacement, do you realize how tone deaf you sound? You claim to be a cyclist but I do wonder when the actual last time you touched grass because you are living in a real small bubble.


I don't believe you take transit or patronize local businesses, if you did you wouldn't be complaining about bike lanes. The people who don't want the bike lanes are car commuters who want to be able to speed down Conn Ave at 45mph on their way from their home garage to their work garage and back to their home garage.


What's wrong with that? That's life. Do you expect people from the suburbs to drive to the district line, park, get on a bike and bike the rest of the way to work? How about anyone over 30 who doesn't want to hang their head down as they peddle UP HILL all the way back? Are you crazy? Most people simply will not, ever, bike to work. Most people. Most people don't have time, energy, or a shower waiting for them at work. Most people want to get ready for work at home, not take rumpled clothes out of their bike bag at the office. Most people have busy lives that have more in them than simply riding a bike to and from work. Get a life. Ride your bike if you are fortunate enough to have the time, but don't expect others to become completely different people than they are to suit your need to ride a bike.


You forgot to mention the double-amputee great-grandmother with the refrigerator-delivery/horse-boarding business. Not everyone can bike for every trip, therefore bikes and bike infrastructure are stupid and useless!
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Post 04/07/2023 16:30     Subject: DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all



One of the WABA contracts with the city include paying someone $150,000 per year, rising to $180,000 to be a “bicycle ambassador” which includes hanging out and riding around trails and bike lanes for 20 hours per week