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Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

Number 2 - “Larla, you have been my best friend forever and I have a huge favor to ask you. Johnny has been cheating on me for a long time. We were doing marital therapy and seemed to be working through it, but recently he has been working a lot and sleeping very little and has slipped into a serious depression. I am working with his family to get him help, but that is a long process. I’m really worried for him, but I’m also really worried about my job. You know how I just got that new promotion? I was so hopeful that it would be a step to earning more money and being on a better financial and career path, which seems so important now that it is huge uncertainty whether Johnny and I stay together or even whether he is mentally stable enough to work. But as part of the new job, I have to travel to a meeting. I don’t think leaving the kids alone with Johnny is safe while he is in this condition. Johnny agreed to stay with his parents while I am gone, but I think it is too much for them to look after him and the kids as well. Is there any way you could take the kids for a week while I’m gone? I can help out by making some meals in advance and getting a babysitter to help. I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t really worried.”

If I said this to any one of my best friends or if any one of my kid’s best friend’s parents said this to me, I would say yes in a hot second. And I wouldn’t judge. I would only think “there but for the grace of God go I.”. (And I would also tell them not to worry about meals, babysitters or anything else.)

Do you guys not have any real friends?

Are you really saying you are not capable of being that kind of friend?

Women are taken for granted as caregivers in society - of kids, of husbands and of the elderly. We are not paid or supported in anyway for fulfilling the obligations/expectations that society places on us in this respect. In fact, we are actively punished socially when we decline to personally fulfill these responsibilities by providing for alternative care. This has a real impact on our income and work opportunities, which ripples out to impact retirement and healthcare. This is one reason why women have a higher rate of poverty.

I for one am not going to be the kind of woman that socially reinforces that cycle by stigmatizing, policing and isolating my female friends as “bad mothers” or “bad wives” if they make a choice to bolster their career, especially if they have kids to support and a husband who looks like he may not be able to contribute much. And that is exactly what you are doing PP when you describe the idea of OP going on her business trip as “abandoning her children” by “going to a meeting.”.

She would not be abandoning her children; she would be working to secure her future as a mother/provider and thus securing their future as well.

Honest to God, sometimes women are their own worst enemy.

Perfect. This.

YES! Women can not win. There are a lot of men who would take that trip because you know it's their "job".

Exactly, it's a job. It's not your life, it's not your family, and it sure as hell shouldn't be your identity that infringes on the health and safety of your family. People downplaying this are insane.

People downplaying the reality of needing a stable income esp if DH is not capable of working for a time and in the likelihood of divorce are INSANE and unrealistic.

Getting DH care and to a safe place is all OP can do in that regard anyway. If the kids are safe and looked after, keeping income coming in is where she does have to focus. To NOT do so is insane.

The choice is not OP goes on this trip and keeps her job/income or OP doesn't go and their family goes broke.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

Number 2 - “Larla, you have been my best friend forever and I have a huge favor to ask you. Johnny has been cheating on me for a long time. We were doing marital therapy and seemed to be working through it, but recently he has been working a lot and sleeping very little and has slipped into a serious depression. I am working with his family to get him help, but that is a long process. I’m really worried for him, but I’m also really worried about my job. You know how I just got that new promotion? I was so hopeful that it would be a step to earning more money and being on a better financial and career path, which seems so important now that it is huge uncertainty whether Johnny and I stay together or even whether he is mentally stable enough to work. But as part of the new job, I have to travel to a meeting. I don’t think leaving the kids alone with Johnny is safe while he is in this condition. Johnny agreed to stay with his parents while I am gone, but I think it is too much for them to look after him and the kids as well. Is there any way you could take the kids for a week while I’m gone? I can help out by making some meals in advance and getting a babysitter to help. I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t really worried.”

If I said this to any one of my best friends or if any one of my kid’s best friend’s parents said this to me, I would say yes in a hot second. And I wouldn’t judge. I would only think “there but for the grace of God go I.”. (And I would also tell them not to worry about meals, babysitters or anything else.)

Do you guys not have any real friends?

Are you really saying you are not capable of being that kind of friend?

Women are taken for granted as caregivers in society - of kids, of husbands and of the elderly. We are not paid or supported in anyway for fulfilling the obligations/expectations that society places on us in this respect. In fact, we are actively punished socially when we decline to personally fulfill these responsibilities by providing for alternative care. This has a real impact on our income and work opportunities, which ripples out to impact retirement and healthcare. This is one reason why women have a higher rate of poverty.

I for one am not going to be the kind of woman that socially reinforces that cycle by stigmatizing, policing and isolating my female friends as “bad mothers” or “bad wives” if they make a choice to bolster their career, especially if they have kids to support and a husband who looks like he may not be able to contribute much. And that is exactly what you are doing PP when you describe the idea of OP going on her business trip as “abandoning her children” by “going to a meeting.”.

She would not be abandoning her children; she would be working to secure her future as a mother/provider and thus securing their future as well.

Honest to God, sometimes women are their own worst enemy.

Perfect. This.

YES! Women can not win. There are a lot of men who would take that trip because you know it's their "job".

Exactly, it's a job. It's not your life, it's not your family, and it sure as hell shouldn't be your identity that infringes on the health and safety of your family. People downplaying this are insane.

People downplaying the reality of needing a stable income esp if DH is not capable of working for a time and in the likelihood of divorce are INSANE and unrealistic.

Getting DH care and to a safe place is all OP can do in that regard anyway. If the kids are safe and looked after, keeping income coming in is where she does have to focus. To NOT do so is insane.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

Number 2 - “Larla, you have been my best friend forever and I have a huge favor to ask you. Johnny has been cheating on me for a long time. We were doing marital therapy and seemed to be working through it, but recently he has been working a lot and sleeping very little and has slipped into a serious depression. I am working with his family to get him help, but that is a long process. I’m really worried for him, but I’m also really worried about my job. You know how I just got that new promotion? I was so hopeful that it would be a step to earning more money and being on a better financial and career path, which seems so important now that it is huge uncertainty whether Johnny and I stay together or even whether he is mentally stable enough to work. But as part of the new job, I have to travel to a meeting. I don’t think leaving the kids alone with Johnny is safe while he is in this condition. Johnny agreed to stay with his parents while I am gone, but I think it is too much for them to look after him and the kids as well. Is there any way you could take the kids for a week while I’m gone? I can help out by making some meals in advance and getting a babysitter to help. I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t really worried.”

If I said this to any one of my best friends or if any one of my kid’s best friend’s parents said this to me, I would say yes in a hot second. And I wouldn’t judge. I would only think “there but for the grace of God go I.”. (And I would also tell them not to worry about meals, babysitters or anything else.)

Do you guys not have any real friends?

Are you really saying you are not capable of being that kind of friend?

Women are taken for granted as caregivers in society - of kids, of husbands and of the elderly. We are not paid or supported in anyway for fulfilling the obligations/expectations that society places on us in this respect. In fact, we are actively punished socially when we decline to personally fulfill these responsibilities by providing for alternative care. This has a real impact on our income and work opportunities, which ripples out to impact retirement and healthcare. This is one reason why women have a higher rate of poverty.

I for one am not going to be the kind of woman that socially reinforces that cycle by stigmatizing, policing and isolating my female friends as “bad mothers” or “bad wives” if they make a choice to bolster their career, especially if they have kids to support and a husband who looks like he may not be able to contribute much. And that is exactly what you are doing PP when you describe the idea of OP going on her business trip as “abandoning her children” by “going to a meeting.”.

She would not be abandoning her children; she would be working to secure her future as a mother/provider and thus securing their future as well.

Honest to God, sometimes women are their own worst enemy.

Perfect. This.

YES! Women can not win. There are a lot of men who would take that trip because you know it's their "job".

Exactly, it's a job. It's not your life, it's not your family, and it sure as hell shouldn't be your identity that infringes on the health and safety of your family. People downplaying this are insane.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

Number 2 - “Larla, you have been my best friend forever and I have a huge favor to ask you. Johnny has been cheating on me for a long time. We were doing marital therapy and seemed to be working through it, but recently he has been working a lot and sleeping very little and has slipped into a serious depression. I am working with his family to get him help, but that is a long process. I’m really worried for him, but I’m also really worried about my job. You know how I just got that new promotion? I was so hopeful that it would be a step to earning more money and being on a better financial and career path, which seems so important now that it is huge uncertainty whether Johnny and I stay together or even whether he is mentally stable enough to work. But as part of the new job, I have to travel to a meeting. I don’t think leaving the kids alone with Johnny is safe while he is in this condition. Johnny agreed to stay with his parents while I am gone, but I think it is too much for them to look after him and the kids as well. Is there any way you could take the kids for a week while I’m gone? I can help out by making some meals in advance and getting a babysitter to help. I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t really worried.”

If I said this to any one of my best friends or if any one of my kid’s best friend’s parents said this to me, I would say yes in a hot second. And I wouldn’t judge. I would only think “there but for the grace of God go I.”. (And I would also tell them not to worry about meals, babysitters or anything else.)

Do you guys not have any real friends?

Are you really saying you are not capable of being that kind of friend?

Women are taken for granted as caregivers in society - of kids, of husbands and of the elderly. We are not paid or supported in anyway for fulfilling the obligations/expectations that society places on us in this respect. In fact, we are actively punished socially when we decline to personally fulfill these responsibilities by providing for alternative care. This has a real impact on our income and work opportunities, which ripples out to impact retirement and healthcare. This is one reason why women have a higher rate of poverty.

I for one am not going to be the kind of woman that socially reinforces that cycle by stigmatizing, policing and isolating my female friends as “bad mothers” or “bad wives” if they make a choice to bolster their career, especially if they have kids to support and a husband who looks like he may not be able to contribute much. And that is exactly what you are doing PP when you describe the idea of OP going on her business trip as “abandoning her children” by “going to a meeting.”.

She would not be abandoning her children; she would be working to secure her future as a mother/provider and thus securing their future as well.

Honest to God, sometimes women are their own worst enemy.

Perfect. This.

YES! Women can not win. There are a lot of men who would take that trip because you know it's their "job".

Exactly, it's a job. It's not your life, it's not your family, and it sure as hell shouldn't be your identity that infringes on the health and safety of your family. People downplaying this are insane.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

Number 2 - “Larla, you have been my best friend forever and I have a huge favor to ask you. Johnny has been cheating on me for a long time. We were doing marital therapy and seemed to be working through it, but recently he has been working a lot and sleeping very little and has slipped into a serious depression. I am working with his family to get him help, but that is a long process. I’m really worried for him, but I’m also really worried about my job. You know how I just got that new promotion? I was so hopeful that it would be a step to earning more money and being on a better financial and career path, which seems so important now that it is huge uncertainty whether Johnny and I stay together or even whether he is mentally stable enough to work. But as part of the new job, I have to travel to a meeting. I don’t think leaving the kids alone with Johnny is safe while he is in this condition. Johnny agreed to stay with his parents while I am gone, but I think it is too much for them to look after him and the kids as well. Is there any way you could take the kids for a week while I’m gone? I can help out by making some meals in advance and getting a babysitter to help. I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t really worried.”

If I said this to any one of my best friends or if any one of my kid’s best friend’s parents said this to me, I would say yes in a hot second. And I wouldn’t judge. I would only think “there but for the grace of God go I.”. (And I would also tell them not to worry about meals, babysitters or anything else.)

Do you guys not have any real friends?

Are you really saying you are not capable of being that kind of friend?

Women are taken for granted as caregivers in society - of kids, of husbands and of the elderly. We are not paid or supported in anyway for fulfilling the obligations/expectations that society places on us in this respect. In fact, we are actively punished socially when we decline to personally fulfill these responsibilities by providing for alternative care. This has a real impact on our income and work opportunities, which ripples out to impact retirement and healthcare. This is one reason why women have a higher rate of poverty.

I for one am not going to be the kind of woman that socially reinforces that cycle by stigmatizing, policing and isolating my female friends as “bad mothers” or “bad wives” if they make a choice to bolster their career, especially if they have kids to support and a husband who looks like he may not be able to contribute much. And that is exactly what you are doing PP when you describe the idea of OP going on her business trip as “abandoning her children” by “going to a meeting.”.

She would not be abandoning her children; she would be working to secure her future as a mother/provider and thus securing their future as well.

Honest to God, sometimes women are their own worst enemy.

Perfect. This.

YES! Women can not win. There are a lot of men who would take that trip because you know it's their "job".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

Number 2 - “Larla, you have been my best friend forever and I have a huge favor to ask you. Johnny has been cheating on me for a long time. We were doing marital therapy and seemed to be working through it, but recently he has been working a lot and sleeping very little and has slipped into a serious depression. I am working with his family to get him help, but that is a long process. I’m really worried for him, but I’m also really worried about my job. You know how I just got that new promotion? I was so hopeful that it would be a step to earning more money and being on a better financial and career path, which seems so important now that it is huge uncertainty whether Johnny and I stay together or even whether he is mentally stable enough to work. But as part of the new job, I have to travel to a meeting. I don’t think leaving the kids alone with Johnny is safe while he is in this condition. Johnny agreed to stay with his parents while I am gone, but I think it is too much for them to look after him and the kids as well. Is there any way you could take the kids for a week while I’m gone? I can help out by making some meals in advance and getting a babysitter to help. I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t really worried.”

If I said this to any one of my best friends or if any one of my kid’s best friend’s parents said this to me, I would say yes in a hot second. And I wouldn’t judge. I would only think “there but for the grace of God go I.”. (And I would also tell them not to worry about meals, babysitters or anything else.)

Do you guys not have any real friends?

Are you really saying you are not capable of being that kind of friend?

Women are taken for granted as caregivers in society - of kids, of husbands and of the elderly. We are not paid or supported in anyway for fulfilling the obligations/expectations that society places on us in this respect. In fact, we are actively punished socially when we decline to personally fulfill these responsibilities by providing for alternative care. This has a real impact on our income and work opportunities, which ripples out to impact retirement and healthcare. This is one reason why women have a higher rate of poverty.

I for one am not going to be the kind of woman that socially reinforces that cycle by stigmatizing, policing and isolating my female friends as “bad mothers” or “bad wives” if they make a choice to bolster their career, especially if they have kids to support and a husband who looks like he may not be able to contribute much. And that is exactly what you are doing PP when you describe the idea of OP going on her business trip as “abandoning her children” by “going to a meeting.”.

She would not be abandoning her children; she would be working to secure her future as a mother/provider and thus securing their future as well.

Honest to God, sometimes women are their own worst enemy.

Perfect. This.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

Number 2 - “Larla, you have been my best friend forever and I have a huge favor to ask you. Johnny has been cheating on me for a long time. We were doing marital therapy and seemed to be working through it, but recently he has been working a lot and sleeping very little and has slipped into a serious depression. I am working with his family to get him help, but that is a long process. I’m really worried for him, but I’m also really worried about my job. You know how I just got that new promotion? I was so hopeful that it would be a step to earning more money and being on a better financial and career path, which seems so important now that it is huge uncertainty whether Johnny and I stay together or even whether he is mentally stable enough to work. But as part of the new job, I have to travel to a meeting. I don’t think leaving the kids alone with Johnny is safe while he is in this condition. Johnny agreed to stay with his parents while I am gone, but I think it is too much for them to look after him and the kids as well. Is there any way you could take the kids for a week while I’m gone? I can help out by making some meals in advance and getting a babysitter to help. I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t really worried.”

If I said this to any one of my best friends or if any one of my kid’s best friend’s parents said this to me, I would say yes in a hot second. And I wouldn’t judge. I would only think “there but for the grace of God go I.”. (And I would also tell them not to worry about meals, babysitters or anything else.)

Do you guys not have any real friends?

Are you really saying you are not capable of being that kind of friend?

Women are taken for granted as caregivers in society - of kids, of husbands and of the elderly. We are not paid or supported in anyway for fulfilling the obligations/expectations that society places on us in this respect. In fact, we are actively punished socially when we decline to personally fulfill these responsibilities by providing for alternative care. This has a real impact on our income and work opportunities, which ripples out to impact retirement and healthcare. This is one reason why women have a higher rate of poverty.

I for one am not going to be the kind of woman that socially reinforces that cycle by stigmatizing, policing and isolating my female friends as “bad mothers” or “bad wives” if they make a choice to bolster their career, especially if they have kids to support and a husband who looks like he may not be able to contribute much. And that is exactly what you are doing PP when you describe the idea of OP going on her business trip as “abandoning her children” by “going to a meeting.”.

She would not be abandoning her children; she would be working to secure her future as a mother/provider and thus securing their future as well.

Honest to God, sometimes women are their own worst enemy.

Perfect. This.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

Number 2 - “Larla, you have been my best friend forever and I have a huge favor to ask you. Johnny has been cheating on me for a long time. We were doing marital therapy and seemed to be working through it, but recently he has been working a lot and sleeping very little and has slipped into a serious depression. I am working with his family to get him help, but that is a long process. I’m really worried for him, but I’m also really worried about my job. You know how I just got that new promotion? I was so hopeful that it would be a step to earning more money and being on a better financial and career path, which seems so important now that it is huge uncertainty whether Johnny and I stay together or even whether he is mentally stable enough to work. But as part of the new job, I have to travel to a meeting. I don’t think leaving the kids alone with Johnny is safe while he is in this condition. Johnny agreed to stay with his parents while I am gone, but I think it is too much for them to look after him and the kids as well. Is there any way you could take the kids for a week while I’m gone? I can help out by making some meals in advance and getting a babysitter to help. I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t really worried.”

If I said this to any one of my best friends or if any one of my kid’s best friend’s parents said this to me, I would say yes in a hot second. And I wouldn’t judge. I would only think “there but for the grace of God go I.”. (And I would also tell them not to worry about meals, babysitters or anything else.)

Do you guys not have any real friends?

Are you really saying you are not capable of being that kind of friend?

Women are taken for granted as caregivers in society - of kids, of husbands and of the elderly. We are not paid or supported in anyway for fulfilling the obligations/expectations that society places on us in this respect. In fact, we are actively punished socially when we decline to personally fulfill these responsibilities by providing for alternative care. This has a real impact on our income and work opportunities, which ripples out to impact retirement and healthcare. This is one reason why women have a higher rate of poverty.

I for one am not going to be the kind of woman that socially reinforces that cycle by stigmatizing, policing and isolating my female friends as “bad mothers” or “bad wives” if they make a choice to bolster their career, especially if they have kids to support and a husband who looks like he may not be able to contribute much. And that is exactly what you are doing PP when you describe the idea of OP going on her business trip as “abandoning her children” by “going to a meeting.”.

She would not be abandoning her children; she would be working to secure her future as a mother/provider and thus securing their future as well.

Honest to God, sometimes women are their own worst enemy.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.“

I’d say these are people that see the manipulation and guilt trips placed on the betrayed. People that are cheaters in affairs are thinking of themselves only. Par for the course.

I’d have little sympathy for someone that continually out right lied to my face while exposing me to physical harm/disease. Then- cried wolf and played poor victim.

Let them do what they’ll do. I suppose all that time with their head in someone else’s genitals should have made them better and if it didn’t they can go have their paramour nurse them back to mental health.

I’m not really buying this excuse.

Yeah. Kind of ironic that the cheaters are decent human beings in that scenario. Poor them. Oh they hurt and hate themselves now that their nastiness and true character was exposed. Wahhhhhh wahhhhh.

Fine. But YOUR true character is also being exposed here and despite your echo chamber, it’s not a “strong tough woman taking care of herself” character. There is nothing to admire about prioritizing a work trip and pride over someone’s potential death and the effects that would have in on everyone involved. Are you so injured that you would rather go on a work trip while your not-even-divorced-yet husband is suicidal, with multiple young children at home? That’s the character your infidelity boards admire?

I’ve never cheated on anyone, before you come at me. I just think y’all are sad broken people. Clearly someone else broke you, but you are clearly wearing that crown every day now. Get a grip.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is horrifying.

1 - it is difficult to just “check yourself into the hospital” for any reason but especially mental health reasons. You can’t just walk into Suburban Hospital and say “I’m feeling suicidal today, I’ll take a room with a view.” People who actually need to be hospitalized wait for days. Everyone saying “just go to the hospital” has clearly never been in the position of trying to get their partner or child hospitalized for mental health reasons.

2 - I’m all about supporting women prioritizing their own careers but if a friend told me that she needed me to take care of her very young children so she could go on a business trip while her husband was in the hospital, I would do it, but I would judge the hell out of her for abandoning her young children with an adult stranger so she could go to a meeting. Choose your children here. The meeting can wait.

3 - it is always appropriate to take suicidality seriously. Particularly in men, who are statistically more likely to complete suicide if they attempt. I get that most of you think this is affair-related manipulation, but this person is not stable and that should be taken seriously even if it is believed to be manipulative. The alternatives are her children’s father being dead and her having to explain that she thought he was just being manipulative and didn’t want to lose her promotion. This is not a conversation I personally would be willing to have with my children. It really sounds like most of you have spent way ton much time on message boards related to infidelity such that it’s made you forget how to be decent human beings. It’s gross.

SO AGREE with number two.