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Anonymous wrote:Keep raising taxes, increasing crime due to progressive criminal justice reform, and choking off economic and businesses growth MoCo council:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

MoCo has entered the spiral down. People with means are fleeing, so how do think the county is going to try to keep the budget from blowing out? Expect many more tax increases in the future, because that's the solution the clowns in charge only ever have. People with means will keep on fleeing, and the tax base will crumble further.

This sounds just like city of Alexandria.

I am in Alexandria. The city wants to pack people in like sardines, our school system is horrible, crime is bad, traffic just gets worse and worse. The city manager and city council do not care one bit what we think. And the mayor (which has mainly a ceremonial job) is praying every day Beyer will retire so he can run for Congress.

Since Rome new residents complain ‘success spoiled the place’ but with Alexandria it’s true

I wish people would leave Alexandria for Frederick or somewhere else. Between the residents and the tourists it's awful.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.

Every singe elementary school inside the beltway is overcrowded. If there was an affordability problem for families this would not be true. These schools range in FARMS from about 50% to under 5%. So everything that you say is not relevant.

This does not follow.

How can it be so unaffordable for families inside the Beltway in Montgomery County when every elementary school, including those with high FARMS, are overcrowded. Please explain how this is possible. I would love to know.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.

Every singe elementary school inside the beltway is overcrowded. If there was an affordability problem for families this would not be true. These schools range in FARMS from about 50% to under 5%. So everything that you say is not relevant.

This does not follow.

How can it be so unaffordable for families inside the Beltway in Montgomery County when every elementary school, including those with high FARMS, are overcrowded. Please explain how this is possible. I would love to know.

Could you please list all of the MCPS elementary schools that are inside the Beltway and high FARMS and over capacity? Not and/or. And. Thanks.

You clearly don’t have kids in your “family”. Go read the MCPS forum and do your own homework. Just love these childless urbanist children that have zero clue about the world. There are zero elementary schools inside the beltway that are under capacity and basically every ES east of Beach Dr is either a Focus school or Title I.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.

Every singe elementary school inside the beltway is overcrowded. If there was an affordability problem for families this would not be true. These schools range in FARMS from about 50% to under 5%. So everything that you say is not relevant.

This does not follow.

How can it be so unaffordable for families inside the Beltway in Montgomery County when every elementary school, including those with high FARMS, are overcrowded. Please explain how this is possible. I would love to know.

Could you please list all of the MCPS elementary schools that are inside the Beltway and high FARMS and over capacity? Not and/or. And. Thanks.

Anonymous wrote:If the zoning laws are changed, what would stop a neighborhood from creating an HOA that prohibits multifamily properties?

Generally trying to learn.

I would imagine many neighborhoods would be all for that and the residents would gladly sign on the dotted line/pay up.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how facts get MoCoites in a tizzy.

The county is hemorrhaging those with means while those moving in are poorer and poorer. Simultaneously, the number of retirees is exploding while those in their prime earning years are decreasing. The tax base is crumbling. School quality keeps circling the drain while crime and taxes keep increasing. The writing is on the wall.

Like rest of America. ok? So what?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.

Every singe elementary school inside the beltway is overcrowded. If there was an affordability problem for families this would not be true. These schools range in FARMS from about 50% to under 5%. So everything that you say is not relevant.

This does not follow.

How can it be so unaffordable for families inside the Beltway in Montgomery County when every elementary school, including those with high FARMS, are overcrowded. Please explain how this is possible. I would love to know.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep raising taxes, increasing crime due to progressive criminal justice reform, and choking off economic and businesses growth MoCo council:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

MoCo has entered the spiral down. People with means are fleeing, so how do think the county is going to try to keep the budget from blowing out? Expect many more tax increases in the future, because that's the solution the clowns in charge only ever have. People with means will keep on fleeing, and the tax base will crumble further.

This sounds just like city of Alexandria.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.

Every singe elementary school inside the beltway is overcrowded. If there was an affordability problem for families this would not be true. These schools range in FARMS from about 50% to under 5%. So everything that you say is not relevant.

This does not follow.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

Exactly. There’s a deliberate push to break up suburbia and single family homes.

Lets be real. MoCo needs places for the rich to live. Other counties do also. If no place for the rich to live, they will move. Since they are rich, they generally have more choices than me. If MoCo has no rich people, MoCo has no money to fund whatever someone's favorite program is. At the Federal level, the top 25% paid 89% of the Federal income taxes collected in 2020.

There's the old "if you don't be nice to me, I will take my ball and go home!" thing again.

I think your opinion of your importance to Montgomery County is a lot higher than other people's opinions of your importance to Montgomery County.

You might want to talk to the NYC Mayor and CA Governor, who fully understand that their state's finances depend heavily on not just the top 25% but the top 1%.

If you don't be nice to me, I will take my ball and go home!

I know you are, but what am I? Childish remarks by you do not change the economic reality that a larger tax base affords you all the freebies you want and the amenities you want in a community. Not np.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.

Every singe elementary school inside the beltway is overcrowded. If there was an affordability problem for families this would not be true. These schools range in FARMS from about 50% to under 5%. So everything that you say is not relevant.

Anonymous wrote:Keep raising taxes, increasing crime due to progressive criminal justice reform, and choking off economic and businesses growth MoCo council:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

MoCo has entered the spiral down. People with means are fleeing, so how do think the county is going to try to keep the budget from blowing out? Expect many more tax increases in the future, because that's the solution the clowns in charge only ever have. People with means will keep on fleeing, and the tax base will crumble further.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

Exactly. There’s a deliberate push to break up suburbia and single family homes.

Lets be real. MoCo needs places for the rich to live. Other counties do also. If no place for the rich to live, they will move. Since they are rich, they generally have more choices than me. If MoCo has no rich people, MoCo has no money to fund whatever someone's favorite program is. At the Federal level, the top 25% paid 89% of the Federal income taxes collected in 2020.

There's the old "if you don't be nice to me, I will take my ball and go home!" thing again.

I think your opinion of your importance to Montgomery County is a lot higher than other people's opinions of your importance to Montgomery County.

You might want to talk to the NYC Mayor and CA Governor, who fully understand that their state's finances depend heavily on not just the top 25% but the top 1%.

If you don't be nice to me, I will take my ball and go home!