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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

And you receive fire/police, utilities, laws, educated community, national defense, etc.

Not np. For which taxes are paid, substantially, so that all may share. I PAY for those services. Try to keep up.

PP “takes” services too. We all do.

Right. PP uses services like fire/police, which PP uses. PP also pays for others to have those services, and welfare, for others to use. This doesn’t make PP a hypocrite not sure what point you’re trying to make? I think it’s pretty clear that those of us with six figure tax bills are “giving” a variety of services to others, who do not pay for them.

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Anonymous wrote:The cashier at Target basically told the customer in front of me, my register doesn’t not accept welfare money loudly.
It’s not the first time cashiers have try to embarrass people out loud.

I would have asked to see a manager if I had witnessed this. Cashier should have been fired on the spot

yeah because there's a long line of the best and brightest lining up to take that awesome target job that pays so well they probably qualify for SNAP and doesn't have benefits.

Op here,

The store manager is the same. He argues with customers for no reason at all. I told the cashier just to be patient with people and not air their business loudly. She didn’t say a word. Reasons why I like shopping online and self checkout

Anonymous wrote:People are completely comfortable with the billions that the rich receive for welfare. They just hate poor people, so that's where all the anger is directed. Mad at the person getting $150/month in SNAP instead of the welfare/subsidies going to keep corporations afloat while the CEO's are paid record profits.

Or the biggest welfare queens of all, NFL owners.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

Government money is government money! If you get the mortgage deduction on your taxes, or subsidized student loans, or have a 529 or 401k, you are getting government money. Those are government welfare programs for middle and upper classes. But Americans are ok with that because they see it acceptable people getting what they deserve.

America is a brutal system. We all claw at opportunity so we don’t end up on the bottom rung because deep down we know that poor people didn’t do anything to deserve their poor existence. They’re there by chance. Luck of the draw. And most Americans know they’re one emergency bill away from that fate.

So true. Not to mention the brave women that overcome domestic violence or other traumatic circumstances.

Have compassion.

America doesn’t do compassion anymore. Trump’s popularity is evidence enough on that front.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

Government money is government money! If you get the mortgage deduction on your taxes, or subsidized student loans, or have a 529 or 401k, you are getting government money. Those are government welfare programs for middle and upper classes. But Americans are ok with that because they see it acceptable people getting what they deserve.

America is a brutal system. We all claw at opportunity so we don’t end up on the bottom rung because deep down we know that poor people didn’t do anything to deserve their poor existence. They’re there by chance. Luck of the draw. And most Americans know they’re one emergency bill away from that fate.

So true. Not to mention the brave women that overcome domestic violence or other traumatic circumstances.

Have compassion.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

Government money is government money! If you get the mortgage deduction on your taxes, or subsidized student loans, or have a 529 or 401k, you are getting government money. Those are government welfare programs for middle and upper classes. But Americans are ok with that because they see it acceptable people getting what they deserve.

America is a brutal system. We all claw at opportunity so we don’t end up on the bottom rung because deep down we know that poor people didn’t do anything to deserve their poor existence. They’re there by chance. Luck of the draw. And most Americans know they’re one emergency bill away from that fate.

I hate how these threads lean on stereotypes with little to no regard of the realities that families face.

All families are working families.

Food for one week for a family of four is about $225-300 in DC. Basic proteins and two veggies. Junk food costs just as much, if not more. Throw in a child with chronic illness or severe allergies and you're cutting down food options, and adding lotions expensive topicals, Otc medications, drs appointments...

Tearing people down is the main reason we have no hope. So quick to tear someone down gives us no will to try to get back up.

Missed work= missed money. Try self-enforcing family/medical leave laws in a low wage job and you find more pushback and strife. The poor always pay more for everything than the wealthy. Always.

Cars? The "new and used cars" are normally at astronomical interest rates. Predatory loans fund the wealthy's zero interest loans. Same vehicles wind up back on the lots and in rotation to the poor who are kept in debt slavery.

Weaponizing eating 🍽

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Anonymous wrote:Yep pp hit it on the nose. The cashier is mad because they are a cashier and needs to lord it over someone.

At least the cashier is working and doing a job.

I'm not saying OP could be working but uses welfare as an excuse to not work, but there are absolutely many many people who are capable of working, but would rather be paid (via welfare) to not work.

There are of course some people who legitimately cannot work and need welfare.

Everyone I know who gets SNAP benefits IS working. You have a greave misunderstanding of how government assistance works if you think people are out here living large on it in the DC area.

Welfare.was supposed to be limited to 5 years. But didn't DC decide to supplement it so you can essentially live on welfare forever?

You're working off of stereotypes from the 80s. You can apply for SNAP benefits, which is about $240/person, or for TANF, temporary financial assistance. The eligibility requirements are problematic and do inadvertently cause people to choose between a low-paying job and a slightly-better paying job that will make them ineligible for benefits. But even for a family of 4 the benefits amount to less than $1000/month and it's not cash.

Similarly, the TANF support amounts are very small compared to the cost of living in this area--$851 for a family of 4. Benefits expire after two years. There are supports like job training and mental health treatment. Think about all your monthly expenses and consider whether people are living large on the government dime with these amounts.

Can you collect on either of these two programs for more than 5 years in DC, as the pp has stated?

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Anonymous wrote:I worked in a hospital where tons of patients were on all sorts of assistance yet somehow had the latest $800 phone and other accessories like nail tips done at a salon. Didn't add up... Not everyone was like that but there was obviously some abuse of the system going on.

Yes, the poor in this country live lives of crazy luxury… do you hear yourself?! The abuse has been well studied it’s an extremely small percentage of the whole. Perhaps those folks got gifts for their birthday or bought an expensive phone at a pawn shop? Perhaps her sister does nails? I mean come on now. I’m embarrassed that you are so petty and begrudge a poor person one nice thing.

I should pick your lifestyle markers apart.

Or... There was actual abuse of the system going on. The worst case I still recall was one lady who would come in at 10pm, have us sign her visitation paper (she got money for each visit), stay for 10 min then head out to the club, never to be seen until the same time the next night. Meanwhile her baby was vented and fighting for its life. This went on for several months until the poor baby sadly passed away without anybody there except staff. We heard the lady got arrested a few months later for fraud- she apparently never told the welfare office the baby passed away and was trying to continue collecting benefits. So take a seat there, friend.

Please tell me which government benefit pays a mom for visiting her child in the hospital? What's it called?

It was over a decade ago, but likely Medicaid Medical Transportation. The benefit often far exceeded the actual cost of round trip travel so some of these families (NOT ALL) would basically just pocket the difference on a daily basis. It's not illegal, but staying just 5-10 min. isn't exactly the intended use either and I do consider it to be abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

And you receive fire/police, utilities, laws, educated community, national defense, etc.

Not np. For which taxes are paid, substantially, so that all may share. I PAY for those services. Try to keep up.

PP “takes” services too. We all do.

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Anonymous wrote:SNAP recipient again. I live in subsidized housing. Many of my neighbors have new expensive cars.
Some have real jalopys though

When the car payment is the same for the old car as it is for the fancy car, people choose the fancy car because they know they'll never be able to pay off either.

How can it be the same payment?! A 40k and a 20K car for 60 months loan can’t cost the same
I can tell you first hand that when you don’t pay much for housing, food, utilities etc - you can save a lot when you are smart. Add EITC, unemployment, rent forgiveness to the mix and you can buy a car

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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

And you receive fire/police, utilities, laws, educated community, national defense, etc.

Not np. For which taxes are paid, substantially, so that all may share. I PAY for those services. Try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you have to remember how welfare used to work - if a couple had kids, they could double down on welfare by the mother filing for welfare as well as the father asing as they didn't marry. That has changed, but you used to double dip and people would game the system by getting huge amounts of welfare checks by pumping out kids and staying unmarried. Welfare incentivized single parent households. Many people who are against welfare still have that scenario stuck in their brains from a while ago. It did happen before.

It’s still a good idea to not get married, at least for poor people
You get more in tax benefits (HoH) and you don’t have to claim dad’s income when applying for food stamps (SNAP).

If the father of the child lives with you, you ARE required to report his income. His income counts in the calculation as a member of the household.

Indeed, but no one really checks. He uses his parents’ address for his mail and taxes for example - et voila!

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Anonymous wrote:Working class who are just barely making ends meet (but without assistance) are the most bitter toward welfare. I was raised by parents like this. So much disdain for welfare because they worked very hard are still only had barely enough for the same existence. Back when grocery stores started allowing credit cards in my childhood, my mom totally judged those people and told me that anyone who used a CC couldn’t afford their groceries. It’s funny how the world has changed.

+1

there is a poster on the first page who explained that to keep SNAP benefits you have to make under a certain amount

It is a system we need to change and benefits need to phase out for people once they start working and earning an income instead of posing a hard cut off income.

Yes, the welfare cliff is real. It essentially punishes people for making slightly more money and trying to lift themselves out of poverty. It incentivizes people to make less. Some sort of phasing or sliding scale would be so much more helpful to people.

Person on SNAP here. There is a sliding scale but you don’t want to completely slide off because then you would need to apply again and also being snap-eligible makes it easier to qualify for other benefits
I honestly think it should be super restricted (eligibility) - it’s not right when people can keep having kids and getting more and more in benefits their whole life

I think when a family with multiple children goes through job loss or medical debt or some other hardship, it’s helpful when the safety net provides food for the amount of kids they have. But that’s just me.

Yes but if despite already being on benefits they produce more kids…

Exactly. An IUD should be mandatory for benefits. We aren't forcing anyone, they are free to decline the free money.

Exactly. An IUD or vasectomy should be mandatory for all tax breaks, for people at all income levels.

I like what you did there

Please state what specific tax reduction you object to. Because I pay more money in federal tax (after all credits and deductions) than many people make in a year. So give me a break. I got zero in any sort of Covid stimulus or relief. I make too much for child tax credits or student loan forgiveness. All our income is W2 so no PPP loans or carried interest or anything like that. We take the standard deduction. So please please tell me which of my deductions you object to when comparing me to someone continuing to have children while unemployed and on full government assistance.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

And you receive fire/police, utilities, laws, educated community, national defense, etc.