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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

There was no treatment for polio back in the day, but there is now. Should someone who comes in with Polio today be left to die? After all, it wouldn’t be fair to treat them. Since treatment hasn’t always existed. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

I hope this is a troll post. Otherwise it is a great travesty.

This may be a lot of things, most likely a troll post but some rando UMC kid having to go a non top 50 college is anything but a travesty.

Did you look at that kids stats? Here is a snippet - "1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning"

Those are not easy to get. It takes a lot of commitment and hardwork. I know because I have seen my son go through it for similar stats.

No kidding and I’m sure the kids who were actually admitted would say the same about their own paths. Perhaps it’s harder to work a part time job, take several buses to school, take care of feeding and transporting siblings and relatives, and maintain a high gpa and play a competitor sport the list goes on. Is it harder to raise two kids, five, seven, ten? I don’t know and neither do you but I am more inclined to be believe that whoever is fortunate enough to be admitted to there schools earned the right to be there. And Varsity Blues has taught us that too many did not. Teach your kids that wherever they end up they will be great and stop telling them they are more deserving than anyone else when you don’t know their story. This why people love athletics because you learn that a Tom Brady can become a Tom Brady even when they weren’t a high draft pick. You learn a team can win all year and get taken out by a lower seeded team in the championships, it’s called life.

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Anonymous wrote:there are as many kids succeeding under these dynamics (discussed exhaustively on this site) as not..

don’t really post much but my DC got into a T15 as a TO WUMC female - test scores low 1300s, never would’ve applied to this school before TO

the rules of the game have changed and people with high stat kids who are getting rejected feel screwed

exact point. Kids are getting into T15s, just maybe not YOUR kids - and that doesn’t make the process broken or impossible

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

There was no treatment for polio back in the day, but there is now. Should someone who comes in with Polio today be left to die? After all, it wouldn’t be fair to treat them. Since treatment hasn’t always existed. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:White UMC is the deal breaker. Read the news. That’s not what’s in right now.

Yes, very demoralizing to kids have worked hard and been high achievers throughout school to see that the key factor in admissions is demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why some on this post keep trying to make this a racial issue, the vast majority of hooks benefit white people (rural, low income, athletic recruits, geographical diversity, legacies). That doesn’t make it any less unfair to the unhooked kids.

Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like maybe part of this is admissions committees don’t understand some of the CS technology so can’t evaluate the applications well? I know my kid included maybe too many technical terms in describing their achievements.

That could be part of it. It could also be school selection. My son and a couple of his buddies were certain that they will get into t10s. They are all having a truly humbling experience. As somebody on Reddit put it - CS can make your safeties look like reach schools.

Yes, certainly admissions workers would not have understood the technical terms. White males and Asians really need to be strong in a sport nowadays otherwise they get passed over for lower stats of other ethnicities.

When multiple schools return the same decision, you have to wonder if that t was a strong as the OP is saying it was. Or did they aim too high, not realizing that thousands of top students are competing for a few hundred spots?

Ummm, no, it's that everyone is "highly qualified" so unless you are "hooked" it's a lottery. When did you last win the lottery?

Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

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Anonymous wrote:Not the OP but I completely relate to this post. I think it’s completely fine to come here to vent. That’s not whining to me. And it helps to know we are not alone.

Unfortunately there seem to be a segment of people on here that just want to be mean and start arguments. No one said their kids deserve spots more and anyone else. I think we can all agree that the college application process is pretty broken.

When you think it’s broken only because some white UMC kid doesn’t get into a school that fits their parents’ ego, that’s deserving of scorn.

I love the assumptions. No I think it’s broken because kids are having to apply to so many schools and the process is so time consuming and stressful. Also because there’s the pressure to ED with financial unknowns. And because there are still loopholes for sports and high donors. Do you assume the worst of everyone in real life too?

So you didn’t clarify that on a thread about a so-called genius white kid who didn’t get into his top school choice and everybody is blaming diversity? Um ok sure.