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Anonymous wrote:Oh dear God, the UVA/Rhodes scholar/Oxford poster is back, repeating exactly the same things.

Hate to burst your bubble, Michigan booster, but that's straight from Wikipedia: The university's alumni, faculty, and researchers have included several U.S. presidents, heads of state, Nobel laureates, Pulitzer Prize winners, Rhodes Scholars, Marshall Scholars, and Fulbright Scholars. Some 30 different governors of U.S. states have attended the university, as have numerous U.S. senators and congresspeople. UVA has produced 55 Rhodes Scholars, eighth highest in the United States, while its alumni have founded numerous companies (such as Reddit, CNET, and Space Adventures) which together produce more than $1.6 trillion in annual revenue and have created 2.3 million jobs.

And it still is weak in STEM. Internationally, it’s rankings are abysmal compared to Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan. As an overall academic enterprise, it is a step below the Big 3.

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear God, the UVA/Rhodes scholar/Oxford poster is back, repeating exactly the same things.

Hate to burst your bubble, Michigan booster, but that's straight from Wikipedia: The university's alumni, faculty, and researchers have included several U.S. presidents, heads of state, Nobel laureates, Pulitzer Prize winners, Rhodes Scholars, Marshall Scholars, and Fulbright Scholars. Some 30 different governors of U.S. states have attended the university, as have numerous U.S. senators and congresspeople. UVA has produced 55 Rhodes Scholars, eighth highest in the United States, while its alumni have founded numerous companies (such as Reddit, CNET, and Space Adventures) which together produce more than $1.6 trillion in annual revenue and have created 2.3 million jobs.

Oh dear God, the UVA/Rhodes scholar/Oxford poster is back, repeating exactly the same things.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents gave me the cash and asked if I wanted to spend it on a private school or if I wanted it for a downpayment after graduation. I went instate and purchased my first home after graduation with that money. I had roommates who paid the entire mortgage.

My sister also chose instate but then used the money to start a business after graduation.

Faced with the decision, I don't know that many kids would choose the private college. I had gotten into a few good schools, but not ivy league, so maybe the calculus would have been different if it was Harvard vs a downpayments.

Because every kid has parents that offer them the luxury of such choices! You are so smart! /s

Nah this pp is right. Given the choice, kids would take money over out of state or private school. And even if your parents aren't giving you this option, kids who take out 50k+ have to realize they're taking money away from their future downpayments. Money is fungible.

More kids need to be taught about the value of money. They only get it when you explain it in terms they understand. I'd only choose Ivy League over a top instate flagship college. UVA is wonderful. A lot of states wish their flagship were as good.

Actually 48 wish they had as good a flagship. UCLA and Berkeley come in no. 1 and 2 (but OOS can no longer get in) and Michigan and UVA are tied for third best public in the united states. California is no longer accessible and Michigan has only the flagship so that makes VA and its 33 colleges and universities the most accessible and varied for all sorts of students. That's why we moved there and why our kids went to UVA and GMu. https://www.cbs19news.com/story/47267644/uva-ranks-no-3-among-all-public-universities-in-the-country-according-to-us-news-and-world-report

Michigan over UVA all day, everyday. I don’t care what USNWR says; Michigan is simply a better overall school. It has strengths across the board in all of its academic offerings.

It is better at being bigger.

And UVA is worse at being smaller.

And notwithstanding being smaller, UVA has produced 56 Rhodes Scholars. Michigan only 30. UVA is the 8th greatest producer of Rhodes Scholars in the U.S. and the top public to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents gave me the cash and asked if I wanted to spend it on a private school or if I wanted it for a downpayment after graduation. I went instate and purchased my first home after graduation with that money. I had roommates who paid the entire mortgage.

My sister also chose instate but then used the money to start a business after graduation.

Faced with the decision, I don't know that many kids would choose the private college. I had gotten into a few good schools, but not ivy league, so maybe the calculus would have been different if it was Harvard vs a downpayments.

Because every kid has parents that offer them the luxury of such choices! You are so smart! /s

Nah this pp is right. Given the choice, kids would take money over out of state or private school. And even if your parents aren't giving you this option, kids who take out 50k+ have to realize they're taking money away from their future downpayments. Money is fungible.

More kids need to be taught about the value of money. They only get it when you explain it in terms they understand. I'd only choose Ivy League over a top instate flagship college. UVA is wonderful. A lot of states wish their flagship were as good.

Actually 48 wish they had as good a flagship. UCLA and Berkeley come in no. 1 and 2 (but OOS can no longer get in) and Michigan and UVA are tied for third best public in the united states. California is no longer accessible and Michigan has only the flagship so that makes VA and its 33 colleges and universities the most accessible and varied for all sorts of students. That's why we moved there and why our kids went to UVA and GMu. https://www.cbs19news.com/story/47267644/uva-ranks-no-3-among-all-public-universities-in-the-country-according-to-us-news-and-world-report

Michigan over UVA all day, everyday. I don’t care what USNWR says; Michigan is simply a better overall school. It has strengths across the board in all of its academic offerings.

It is better at being bigger.

And UVA is worse at being smaller.

I'm always amazed at these threads and no one takes the time to analyze the cost differences. to wit:

For my DC it came down to Northwestern, an Ivy and UVA. Northwestern is now $88K a year. UVA instate Arts & Sciences is $38K a year. That's $352,000 versus $152,000. In our tax bracket we would have to make $500,000 to pay for Northwestern in after-tax dollars (and no, no merit aid and zero help from FAFSA from any school we applied to - don't believe it when a school says 88 percent of our students are gettings aid. That figures includes the FAFSA loan that anyone applying can get so its a false brag). Most readers on DCUm will be full freight payers unless they drop down in selectivity. It's disingenous to come on here and say in fall of senior year "We didn't plan! we need merit aid". That ship has sailed unless you are willing to apply to schools in the second and third tier. You have to start saving from birth - which we did - but it still wasn't enough.

So DC picked UVA. We banked the $200K and it compunded and now can pay for grad school at Oxford and hopefully law school. We could not have done this if he had picked a private. YRMD.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents gave me the cash and asked if I wanted to spend it on a private school or if I wanted it for a downpayment after graduation. I went instate and purchased my first home after graduation with that money. I had roommates who paid the entire mortgage.

My sister also chose instate but then used the money to start a business after graduation.

Faced with the decision, I don't know that many kids would choose the private college. I had gotten into a few good schools, but not ivy league, so maybe the calculus would have been different if it was Harvard vs a downpayments.

Because every kid has parents that offer them the luxury of such choices! You are so smart! /s

Nah this pp is right. Given the choice, kids would take money over out of state or private school. And even if your parents aren't giving you this option, kids who take out 50k+ have to realize they're taking money away from their future downpayments. Money is fungible.

More kids need to be taught about the value of money. They only get it when you explain it in terms they understand. I'd only choose Ivy League over a top instate flagship college. UVA is wonderful. A lot of states wish their flagship were as good.

Actually 48 wish they had as good a flagship. UCLA and Berkeley come in no. 1 and 2 (but OOS can no longer get in) and Michigan and UVA are tied for third best public in the united states. California is no longer accessible and Michigan has only the flagship so that makes VA and its 33 colleges and universities the most accessible and varied for all sorts of students. That's why we moved there and why our kids went to UVA and GMu. https://www.cbs19news.com/story/47267644/uva-ranks-no-3-among-all-public-universities-in-the-country-according-to-us-news-and-world-report

Michigan over UVA all day, everyday. I don’t care what USNWR says; Michigan is simply a better overall school. It has strengths across the board in all of its academic offerings.

It is better at being bigger.

LOL! and colder!

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Anonymous wrote:My parents gave me the cash and asked if I wanted to spend it on a private school or if I wanted it for a downpayment after graduation. I went instate and purchased my first home after graduation with that money. I had roommates who paid the entire mortgage.

My sister also chose instate but then used the money to start a business after graduation.

Faced with the decision, I don't know that many kids would choose the private college. I had gotten into a few good schools, but not ivy league, so maybe the calculus would have been different if it was Harvard vs a downpayments.

Because every kid has parents that offer them the luxury of such choices! You are so smart! /s

Nah this pp is right. Given the choice, kids would take money over out of state or private school. And even if your parents aren't giving you this option, kids who take out 50k+ have to realize they're taking money away from their future downpayments. Money is fungible.

More kids need to be taught about the value of money. They only get it when you explain it in terms they understand. I'd only choose Ivy League over a top instate flagship college. UVA is wonderful. A lot of states wish their flagship were as good.

Actually 48 wish they had as good a flagship. UCLA and Berkeley come in no. 1 and 2 (but OOS can no longer get in) and Michigan and UVA are tied for third best public in the united states. California is no longer accessible and Michigan has only the flagship so that makes VA and its 33 colleges and universities the most accessible and varied for all sorts of students. That's why we moved there and why our kids went to UVA and GMu. https://www.cbs19news.com/story/47267644/uva-ranks-no-3-among-all-public-universities-in-the-country-according-to-us-news-and-world-report

Michigan over UVA all day, everyday. I don’t care what USNWR says; Michigan is simply a better overall school. It has strengths across the board in all of its academic offerings.

It is better at being bigger.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents gave me the cash and asked if I wanted to spend it on a private school or if I wanted it for a downpayment after graduation. I went instate and purchased my first home after graduation with that money. I had roommates who paid the entire mortgage.

My sister also chose instate but then used the money to start a business after graduation.

Faced with the decision, I don't know that many kids would choose the private college. I had gotten into a few good schools, but not ivy league, so maybe the calculus would have been different if it was Harvard vs a downpayments.

Because every kid has parents that offer them the luxury of such choices! You are so smart! /s

Nah this pp is right. Given the choice, kids would take money over out of state or private school. And even if your parents aren't giving you this option, kids who take out 50k+ have to realize they're taking money away from their future downpayments. Money is fungible.

More kids need to be taught about the value of money. They only get it when you explain it in terms they understand. I'd only choose Ivy League over a top instate flagship college. UVA is wonderful. A lot of states wish their flagship were as good.

Actually 48 wish they had as good a flagship. UCLA and Berkeley come in no. 1 and 2 (but OOS can no longer get in) and Michigan and UVA are tied for third best public in the united states. California is no longer accessible and Michigan has only the flagship so that makes VA and its 33 colleges and universities the most accessible and varied for all sorts of students. That's why we moved there and why our kids went to UVA and GMu. https://www.cbs19news.com/story/47267644/uva-ranks-no-3-among-all-public-universities-in-the-country-according-to-us-news-and-world-report

Michigan over UVA all day, everyday. I don’t care what USNWR says; Michigan is simply a better overall school. It has strengths across the board in all of its academic offerings.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents gave me the cash and asked if I wanted to spend it on a private school or if I wanted it for a downpayment after graduation. I went instate and purchased my first home after graduation with that money. I had roommates who paid the entire mortgage.

My sister also chose instate but then used the money to start a business after graduation.

Faced with the decision, I don't know that many kids would choose the private college. I had gotten into a few good schools, but not ivy league, so maybe the calculus would have been different if it was Harvard vs a downpayments.

Because every kid has parents that offer them the luxury of such choices! You are so smart! /s

Nah this pp is right. Given the choice, kids would take money over out of state or private school. And even if your parents aren't giving you this option, kids who take out 50k+ have to realize they're taking money away from their future downpayments. Money is fungible.

More kids need to be taught about the value of money. They only get it when you explain it in terms they understand. I'd only choose Ivy League over a top instate flagship college. UVA is wonderful. A lot of states wish their flagship were as good.

Actually 48 wish they had as good a flagship. UCLA and Berkeley come in no. 1 and 2 (but OOS can no longer get in) and Michigan and UVA are tied for third best public in the united states. California is no longer accessible and Michigan has only the flagship so that makes VA and its 33 colleges and universities the most accessible and varied for all sorts of students. That's why we moved there and why our kids went to UVA and GMu. https://www.cbs19news.com/story/47267644/uva-ranks-no-3-among-all-public-universities-in-the-country-according-to-us-news-and-world-report

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Anonymous wrote:If they want engineering, Purdue out of state is about the same as instate UVA.

Yes. Purdue is very affordable, even out of state. Purdue’s engineering program is the 9th best in the country. UVA is 37th. Purdue would be the easy choice.

UVA is 25

Not in engineering. It's 42nd, as has already been linked here.
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UVA is 25th in the nation across the board. And ranks third in the nation for national public universities. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/overall-rankings#:~:text=your%20college%20needs%3F-,University%20of%20Virginia%20Rankings,about%20how%20we%20rank%20schools..

I guess that’s great to brag to your friends. My kid goes to the 25th best school in the country. For engineers hiring engineers, your kid is not getting the job over the other 41 schools that are ranked higher. Engineering ranking matters to people who hire engineers and to other engineers in your field.

DP. Engineering rankings are largely a function of research output. They have nothing to do with the quality of engineers out of college. Statistically UVA engineering graduates will likely have a higher SAT score than of a Purdue student. For undergraduates, overall rankings matter much more.

Some statistics show a correlation between school and lifetime earnings, but those are just averages. It's always easy to outperform those if you're motivated even if you didn't start off at MIT. My point is for undergrad this stuff largely doesn't matter especially if you are only interested in an SWE job.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents gave me the cash and asked if I wanted to spend it on a private school or if I wanted it for a downpayment after graduation. I went instate and purchased my first home after graduation with that money. I had roommates who paid the entire mortgage.

My sister also chose instate but then used the money to start a business after graduation.

Faced with the decision, I don't know that many kids would choose the private college. I had gotten into a few good schools, but not ivy league, so maybe the calculus would have been different if it was Harvard vs a downpayments.

Because every kid has parents that offer them the luxury of such choices! You are so smart! /s

Nah this pp is right. Given the choice, kids would take money over out of state or private school. And even if your parents aren't giving you this option, kids who take out 50k+ have to realize they're taking money away from their future downpayments. Money is fungible.

More kids need to be taught about the value of money. They only get it when you explain it in terms they understand. I'd only choose Ivy League over a top instate flagship college. UVA is wonderful. A lot of states wish their flagship were as good.

Anonymous wrote:As a UMC family we can fortunately afford to send our son to whatever college he likes the most, but from a practical standpoint if he was to get an offer from UVA what schools might be worth to pay for over the in-state discount?

none uva wins hands down!

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Anonymous wrote:If they want engineering, Purdue out of state is about the same as instate UVA.

Yes. Purdue is very affordable, even out of state. Purdue’s engineering program is the 9th best in the country. UVA is 37th. Purdue would be the easy choice.

UVA is 25

Not in engineering. It's 42nd, as has already been linked here.
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UVA is 25th in the nation across the board. And ranks third in the nation for national public universities. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/overall-rankings#:~:text=your%20college%20needs%3F-,University%20of%20Virginia%20Rankings,about%20how%20we%20rank%20schools..

I guess that’s great to brag to your friends. My kid goes to the 25th best school in the country. For engineers hiring engineers, your kid is not getting the job over the other 41 schools that are ranked higher. Engineering ranking matters to people who hire engineers and to other engineers in your field.

DP. Engineering rankings are largely a function of research output. They have nothing to do with the quality of engineers out of college. Statistically UVA engineering graduates will likely have a higher SAT score than of a Purdue student. For undergraduates, overall rankings matter much more.

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