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Anonymous wrote:MoCo Police Chief Marcus Jones is not a fan of Jawando's plan.....

https://wjla.com/news/local/crime-law-enforcement-leaders-video-7news-interviews-montgomery-county-police-chief-marcus-jones-traffic-stops-traffic-fatalities-homicides#

A person who is in charge of an agency is not a fan of a plan to restrict what the agency can do? In other news, the sun rose in the east today.

Or…

A person with a firm understanding of policing / public safety is not a fan of a plan that lacks common sense and demonstrates little understanding of public safety needs.

I’m a teacher. This reminds me of times central office staff members who know nothing about the nuances of my job try to tell me how to do it. Their interruptions merely cause curriculum disruptions. This plan, by contrast, can actually cost lives.

MCPD independently decided to reduce the number of traffic stops they conduct to a third of the level they did pre pandemic. What reason did they give? Is it the vacancies in the department? No. Was it other work demands? No. Was it a directive from the Council? No. It is "the rhetoric". They are the ones costing lives, not some bill (that will never pass) that targets low level offenses.

Just like teachers aren't always right, neither are police. Look at the history of this country. We did wait for farmers to decide they didn't need slaves. We didn't wait for bus drivers to say they didn't need to segregate the buses. Community activism has driven a lot of really important change in this country. You're suggesting we dismiss them out of hand because they are not the police. That's not a reasonable position.

You've posted this nonsense before. You heard the Chief reference that the rhetoric is discouraging and is affecting performance, correct? Well, my performance will also be affected if I'm kicked repeatedly when I'm down. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "kicking.") As for your work stoppage comment, I'm sure you understand that police do FAR MORE than traffic stops. I'm sure you are aware that they first and foremost answer calls. Staffing is way down and calls are way up. Guess what that means? They can't do as much traffic enforcement because they are constantly running calls. Your perceived work stoppage is actually them working harder in another area.

As for teachers and police not always being right... there you are correct. Guess who else isn't always right? Politicans who have an ax to grind with police. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "ax to grind.") I'm comfortable dismissing their comments because they don't come from a genuine, honest place.

As for community activism, I'm actually a big fan. This isn't community activism. This is dangerous, and I care about my community.

They are risking people's lives to make a political point no matter how you dress it up.

Bad policing also risks people's lives, and I'm interested to know how you assessed whether or not they're sincere.

Neither of them have established an iota of ethos. Both have spent the last several years lambasting police (both locally and nationally) at every available opportunity. Jawando in particular paints the department as the enemy of Montgomery County, which does a tremendous disservice to the residents of this county who rely on our police department. The most recent example of their lack of trustworthiness? Holding a public forum about public safety in which most people say they want MORE enforcement, and then introducing this absolute farce of a bill. He doesn't listen, and I am convinced that's because he doesn't care.

Yes, bad policing costs lives. We all know that, and the department is making active steps toward improvement. What also costs lives? Traffic violations. How the heck can this county promote Vision Zero and simultaneously pass this bill? One contradicts the other. Clearly.

Specifically: drunk driving, distracted driving, speeding, failure to obey traffic signals and stop signs, failure to stop for people in crosswalks.

Licensing or registration, window tinting, and defective headlights or tail lights do not kill people.

this post won’t age well.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, so say they aren't doing "as much" traffic enforcement is a bit of an understatement. They are doing less than half of what they used to do. Vacancies and increased calls fur service will not explain that, that is why they themselves blame "the rhetoric"

Let's play with your presumption for a moment. If you are an officer in this county, and you know that one unfortunate incident can make you lose your entire livelihood even if you made the absolutely correct decision in the moment using all of your knowledge, experience, training, and respect for life, would you want to be proactive? Would you, seriously?

Given that the threat of losing their entire livelihood this does not seem to stop some police officers from making blatantly wrong decisions?

And THERE it is.

I wrote "absolutely correct decision in the moment using all of your knowledge, experience, training, and respect for life". You read that as "blatantly wrong."

So best, honorable, knowledgeable intentions are = "blatantly wrong."

I'm not an officer, but I have no problem seeing how doing the job just got astonomically harder. My best decision at a terrible moment may ruin my life, and that of my family?

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo Police Chief Marcus Jones is not a fan of Jawando's plan.....

https://wjla.com/news/local/crime-law-enforcement-leaders-video-7news-interviews-montgomery-county-police-chief-marcus-jones-traffic-stops-traffic-fatalities-homicides#

A person who is in charge of an agency is not a fan of a plan to restrict what the agency can do? In other news, the sun rose in the east today.

Or…

A person with a firm understanding of policing / public safety is not a fan of a plan that lacks common sense and demonstrates little understanding of public safety needs.

I’m a teacher. This reminds me of times central office staff members who know nothing about the nuances of my job try to tell me how to do it. Their interruptions merely cause curriculum disruptions. This plan, by contrast, can actually cost lives.

MCPD independently decided to reduce the number of traffic stops they conduct to a third of the level they did pre pandemic. What reason did they give? Is it the vacancies in the department? No. Was it other work demands? No. Was it a directive from the Council? No. It is "the rhetoric". They are the ones costing lives, not some bill (that will never pass) that targets low level offenses.

Just like teachers aren't always right, neither are police. Look at the history of this country. We did wait for farmers to decide they didn't need slaves. We didn't wait for bus drivers to say they didn't need to segregate the buses. Community activism has driven a lot of really important change in this country. You're suggesting we dismiss them out of hand because they are not the police. That's not a reasonable position.

You've posted this nonsense before. You heard the Chief reference that the rhetoric is discouraging and is affecting performance, correct? Well, my performance will also be affected if I'm kicked repeatedly when I'm down. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "kicking.") As for your work stoppage comment, I'm sure you understand that police do FAR MORE than traffic stops. I'm sure you are aware that they first and foremost answer calls. Staffing is way down and calls are way up. Guess what that means? They can't do as much traffic enforcement because they are constantly running calls. Your perceived work stoppage is actually them working harder in another area.

As for teachers and police not always being right... there you are correct. Guess who else isn't always right? Politicans who have an ax to grind with police. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "ax to grind.") I'm comfortable dismissing their comments because they don't come from a genuine, honest place.

As for community activism, I'm actually a big fan. This isn't community activism. This is dangerous, and I care about my community.

They are risking people's lives to make a political point no matter how you dress it up.

Bad policing also risks people's lives, and I'm interested to know how you assessed whether or not they're sincere.

Neither of them have established an iota of ethos. Both have spent the last several years lambasting police (both locally and nationally) at every available opportunity. Jawando in particular paints the department as the enemy of Montgomery County, which does a tremendous disservice to the residents of this county who rely on our police department. The most recent example of their lack of trustworthiness? Holding a public forum about public safety in which most people say they want MORE enforcement, and then introducing this absolute farce of a bill. He doesn't listen, and I am convinced that's because he doesn't care.

Yes, bad policing costs lives. We all know that, and the department is making active steps toward improvement. What also costs lives? Traffic violations. How the heck can this county promote Vision Zero and simultaneously pass this bill? One contradicts the other. Clearly.

Specifically: drunk driving, distracted driving, speeding, failure to obey traffic signals and stop signs, failure to stop for people in crosswalks.

Licensing or registration, window tinting, and defective headlights or tail lights do not kill people.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, so say they aren't doing "as much" traffic enforcement is a bit of an understatement. They are doing less than half of what they used to do. Vacancies and increased calls fur service will not explain that, that is why they themselves blame "the rhetoric"

Let's play with your presumption for a moment. If you are an officer in this county, and you know that one unfortunate incident can make you lose your entire livelihood even if you made the absolutely correct decision in the moment using all of your knowledge, experience, training, and respect for life, would you want to be proactive? Would you, seriously?

What you are describing is a work stoppage. You may think it is justified but stop lying that it is about vacancies or work demands.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, so say they aren't doing "as much" traffic enforcement is a bit of an understatement. They are doing less than half of what they used to do. Vacancies and increased calls fur service will not explain that, that is why they themselves blame "the rhetoric"

Let's play with your presumption for a moment. If you are an officer in this county, and you know that one unfortunate incident can make you lose your entire livelihood even if you made the absolutely correct decision in the moment using all of your knowledge, experience, training, and respect for life, would you want to be proactive? Would you, seriously?

Given that the threat of losing their entire livelihood this does not seem to stop some police officers from making blatantly wrong decisions?

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, so say they aren't doing "as much" traffic enforcement is a bit of an understatement. They are doing less than half of what they used to do. Vacancies and increased calls fur service will not explain that, that is why they themselves blame "the rhetoric"

Let's play with your presumption for a moment. If you are an officer in this county, and you know that one unfortunate incident can make you lose your entire livelihood even if you made the absolutely correct decision in the moment using all of your knowledge, experience, training, and respect for life, would you want to be proactive? Would you, seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo Police Chief Marcus Jones is not a fan of Jawando's plan.....

https://wjla.com/news/local/crime-law-enforcement-leaders-video-7news-interviews-montgomery-county-police-chief-marcus-jones-traffic-stops-traffic-fatalities-homicides#

A person who is in charge of an agency is not a fan of a plan to restrict what the agency can do? In other news, the sun rose in the east today.

Or…

A person with a firm understanding of policing / public safety is not a fan of a plan that lacks common sense and demonstrates little understanding of public safety needs.

I’m a teacher. This reminds me of times central office staff members who know nothing about the nuances of my job try to tell me how to do it. Their interruptions merely cause curriculum disruptions. This plan, by contrast, can actually cost lives.

MCPD independently decided to reduce the number of traffic stops they conduct to a third of the level they did pre pandemic. What reason did they give? Is it the vacancies in the department? No. Was it other work demands? No. Was it a directive from the Council? No. It is "the rhetoric". They are the ones costing lives, not some bill (that will never pass) that targets low level offenses.

Just like teachers aren't always right, neither are police. Look at the history of this country. We did wait for farmers to decide they didn't need slaves. We didn't wait for bus drivers to say they didn't need to segregate the buses. Community activism has driven a lot of really important change in this country. You're suggesting we dismiss them out of hand because they are not the police. That's not a reasonable position.

You've posted this nonsense before. You heard the Chief reference that the rhetoric is discouraging and is affecting performance, correct? Well, my performance will also be affected if I'm kicked repeatedly when I'm down. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "kicking.") As for your work stoppage comment, I'm sure you understand that police do FAR MORE than traffic stops. I'm sure you are aware that they first and foremost answer calls. Staffing is way down and calls are way up. Guess what that means? They can't do as much traffic enforcement because they are constantly running calls. Your perceived work stoppage is actually them working harder in another area.

As for teachers and police not always being right... there you are correct. Guess who else isn't always right? Politicans who have an ax to grind with police. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "ax to grind.") I'm comfortable dismissing their comments because they don't come from a genuine, honest place.

As for community activism, I'm actually a big fan. This isn't community activism. This is dangerous, and I care about my community.

They are risking people's lives to make a political point no matter how you dress it up.

Bad policing also risks people's lives, and I'm interested to know how you assessed whether or not they're sincere.

Neither of them have established an iota of ethos. Both have spent the last several years lambasting police (both locally and nationally) at every available opportunity. Jawando in particular paints the department as the enemy of Montgomery County, which does a tremendous disservice to the residents of this county who rely on our police department. The most recent example of their lack of trustworthiness? Holding a public forum about public safety in which most people say they want MORE enforcement, and then introducing this absolute farce of a bill. He doesn't listen, and I am convinced that's because he doesn't care.

Yes, bad policing costs lives. We all know that, and the department is making active steps toward improvement. What also costs lives? Traffic violations. How the heck can this county promote Vision Zero and simultaneously pass this bill? One contradicts the other. Clearly.

Specifically: drunk driving, distracted driving, speeding, failure to obey traffic signals and stop signs, failure to stop for people in crosswalks.

Licensing or registration, window tinting, and defective headlights or tail lights do not kill people.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, so say they aren't doing "as much" traffic enforcement is a bit of an understatement. They are doing less than half of what they used to do. Vacancies and increased calls fur service will not explain that, that is why they themselves blame "the rhetoric"

Let's play with your presumption for a moment. If you are an officer in this county, and you know that one unfortunate incident can make you lose your entire livelihood even if you made the absolutely correct decision in the moment using all of your knowledge, experience, training, and respect for life, would you want to be proactive? Would you, seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo Police Chief Marcus Jones is not a fan of Jawando's plan.....

https://wjla.com/news/local/crime-law-enforcement-leaders-video-7news-interviews-montgomery-county-police-chief-marcus-jones-traffic-stops-traffic-fatalities-homicides#

A person who is in charge of an agency is not a fan of a plan to restrict what the agency can do? In other news, the sun rose in the east today.

Or…

A person with a firm understanding of policing / public safety is not a fan of a plan that lacks common sense and demonstrates little understanding of public safety needs.

I’m a teacher. This reminds me of times central office staff members who know nothing about the nuances of my job try to tell me how to do it. Their interruptions merely cause curriculum disruptions. This plan, by contrast, can actually cost lives.

MCPD independently decided to reduce the number of traffic stops they conduct to a third of the level they did pre pandemic. What reason did they give? Is it the vacancies in the department? No. Was it other work demands? No. Was it a directive from the Council? No. It is "the rhetoric". They are the ones costing lives, not some bill (that will never pass) that targets low level offenses.

Just like teachers aren't always right, neither are police. Look at the history of this country. We did wait for farmers to decide they didn't need slaves. We didn't wait for bus drivers to say they didn't need to segregate the buses. Community activism has driven a lot of really important change in this country. You're suggesting we dismiss them out of hand because they are not the police. That's not a reasonable position.

You've posted this nonsense before. You heard the Chief reference that the rhetoric is discouraging and is affecting performance, correct? Well, my performance will also be affected if I'm kicked repeatedly when I'm down. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "kicking.") As for your work stoppage comment, I'm sure you understand that police do FAR MORE than traffic stops. I'm sure you are aware that they first and foremost answer calls. Staffing is way down and calls are way up. Guess what that means? They can't do as much traffic enforcement because they are constantly running calls. Your perceived work stoppage is actually them working harder in another area.

As for teachers and police not always being right... there you are correct. Guess who else isn't always right? Politicans who have an ax to grind with police. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "ax to grind.") I'm comfortable dismissing their comments because they don't come from a genuine, honest place.

As for community activism, I'm actually a big fan. This isn't community activism. This is dangerous, and I care about my community.

They are risking people's lives to make a political point no matter how you dress it up.

Bad policing also risks people's lives, and I'm interested to know how you assessed whether or not they're sincere.

Bad policing risks *criminals'* lives. Couldn't care less

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo Police Chief Marcus Jones is not a fan of Jawando's plan.....

https://wjla.com/news/local/crime-law-enforcement-leaders-video-7news-interviews-montgomery-county-police-chief-marcus-jones-traffic-stops-traffic-fatalities-homicides#

A person who is in charge of an agency is not a fan of a plan to restrict what the agency can do? In other news, the sun rose in the east today.

Or…

A person with a firm understanding of policing / public safety is not a fan of a plan that lacks common sense and demonstrates little understanding of public safety needs.

I’m a teacher. This reminds me of times central office staff members who know nothing about the nuances of my job try to tell me how to do it. Their interruptions merely cause curriculum disruptions. This plan, by contrast, can actually cost lives.

MCPD independently decided to reduce the number of traffic stops they conduct to a third of the level they did pre pandemic. What reason did they give? Is it the vacancies in the department? No. Was it other work demands? No. Was it a directive from the Council? No. It is "the rhetoric". They are the ones costing lives, not some bill (that will never pass) that targets low level offenses.

Just like teachers aren't always right, neither are police. Look at the history of this country. We did wait for farmers to decide they didn't need slaves. We didn't wait for bus drivers to say they didn't need to segregate the buses. Community activism has driven a lot of really important change in this country. You're suggesting we dismiss them out of hand because they are not the police. That's not a reasonable position.

You've posted this nonsense before. You heard the Chief reference that the rhetoric is discouraging and is affecting performance, correct? Well, my performance will also be affected if I'm kicked repeatedly when I'm down. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "kicking.") As for your work stoppage comment, I'm sure you understand that police do FAR MORE than traffic stops. I'm sure you are aware that they first and foremost answer calls. Staffing is way down and calls are way up. Guess what that means? They can't do as much traffic enforcement because they are constantly running calls. Your perceived work stoppage is actually them working harder in another area.

As for teachers and police not always being right... there you are correct. Guess who else isn't always right? Politicans who have an ax to grind with police. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "ax to grind.") I'm comfortable dismissing their comments because they don't come from a genuine, honest place.

As for community activism, I'm actually a big fan. This isn't community activism. This is dangerous, and I care about my community.

They are risking people's lives to make a political point no matter how you dress it up.

Bad policing also risks people's lives, and I'm interested to know how you assessed whether or not they're sincere.

Neither of them have established an iota of ethos. Both have spent the last several years lambasting police (both locally and nationally) at every available opportunity. Jawando in particular paints the department as the enemy of Montgomery County, which does a tremendous disservice to the residents of this county who rely on our police department. The most recent example of their lack of trustworthiness? Holding a public forum about public safety in which most people say they want MORE enforcement, and then introducing this absolute farce of a bill. He doesn't listen, and I am convinced that's because he doesn't care.

Yes, bad policing costs lives. We all know that, and the department is making active steps toward improvement. What also costs lives? Traffic violations. How the heck can this county promote Vision Zero and simultaneously pass this bill? One contradicts the other. Clearly.

Anonymous wrote:Btw, so say they aren't doing "as much" traffic enforcement is a bit of an understatement. They are doing less than half of what they used to do. Vacancies and increased calls fur service will not explain that, that is why they themselves blame "the rhetoric"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo Police Chief Marcus Jones is not a fan of Jawando's plan.....

https://wjla.com/news/local/crime-law-enforcement-leaders-video-7news-interviews-montgomery-county-police-chief-marcus-jones-traffic-stops-traffic-fatalities-homicides#

A person who is in charge of an agency is not a fan of a plan to restrict what the agency can do? In other news, the sun rose in the east today.

Or…

A person with a firm understanding of policing / public safety is not a fan of a plan that lacks common sense and demonstrates little understanding of public safety needs.

I’m a teacher. This reminds me of times central office staff members who know nothing about the nuances of my job try to tell me how to do it. Their interruptions merely cause curriculum disruptions. This plan, by contrast, can actually cost lives.

MCPD independently decided to reduce the number of traffic stops they conduct to a third of the level they did pre pandemic. What reason did they give? Is it the vacancies in the department? No. Was it other work demands? No. Was it a directive from the Council? No. It is "the rhetoric". They are the ones costing lives, not some bill (that will never pass) that targets low level offenses.

Just like teachers aren't always right, neither are police. Look at the history of this country. We did wait for farmers to decide they didn't need slaves. We didn't wait for bus drivers to say they didn't need to segregate the buses. Community activism has driven a lot of really important change in this country. You're suggesting we dismiss them out of hand because they are not the police. That's not a reasonable position.

You've posted this nonsense before. You heard the Chief reference that the rhetoric is discouraging and is affecting performance, correct? Well, my performance will also be affected if I'm kicked repeatedly when I'm down. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "kicking.") As for your work stoppage comment, I'm sure you understand that police do FAR MORE than traffic stops. I'm sure you are aware that they first and foremost answer calls. Staffing is way down and calls are way up. Guess what that means? They can't do as much traffic enforcement because they are constantly running calls. Your perceived work stoppage is actually them working harder in another area.

As for teachers and police not always being right... there you are correct. Guess who else isn't always right? Politicans who have an ax to grind with police. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "ax to grind.") I'm comfortable dismissing their comments because they don't come from a genuine, honest place.

As for community activism, I'm actually a big fan. This isn't community activism. This is dangerous, and I care about my community.

They are risking people's lives to make a political point no matter how you dress it up.

Bad policing also risks people's lives, and I'm interested to know how you assessed whether or not they're sincere.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo Police Chief Marcus Jones is not a fan of Jawando's plan.....

https://wjla.com/news/local/crime-law-enforcement-leaders-video-7news-interviews-montgomery-county-police-chief-marcus-jones-traffic-stops-traffic-fatalities-homicides#

A person who is in charge of an agency is not a fan of a plan to restrict what the agency can do? In other news, the sun rose in the east today.

Or…

A person with a firm understanding of policing / public safety is not a fan of a plan that lacks common sense and demonstrates little understanding of public safety needs.

I’m a teacher. This reminds me of times central office staff members who know nothing about the nuances of my job try to tell me how to do it. Their interruptions merely cause curriculum disruptions. This plan, by contrast, can actually cost lives.

MCPD independently decided to reduce the number of traffic stops they conduct to a third of the level they did pre pandemic. What reason did they give? Is it the vacancies in the department? No. Was it other work demands? No. Was it a directive from the Council? No. It is "the rhetoric". They are the ones costing lives, not some bill (that will never pass) that targets low level offenses.

Just like teachers aren't always right, neither are police. Look at the history of this country. We did wait for farmers to decide they didn't need slaves. We didn't wait for bus drivers to say they didn't need to segregate the buses. Community activism has driven a lot of really important change in this country. You're suggesting we dismiss them out of hand because they are not the police. That's not a reasonable position.

You've posted this nonsense before. You heard the Chief reference that the rhetoric is discouraging and is affecting performance, correct? Well, my performance will also be affected if I'm kicked repeatedly when I'm down. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "kicking.") As for your work stoppage comment, I'm sure you understand that police do FAR MORE than traffic stops. I'm sure you are aware that they first and foremost answer calls. Staffing is way down and calls are way up. Guess what that means? They can't do as much traffic enforcement because they are constantly running calls. Your perceived work stoppage is actually them working harder in another area.

As for teachers and police not always being right... there you are correct. Guess who else isn't always right? Politicans who have an ax to grind with police. (See Mink and Jawando's comments about police for examples of "ax to grind.") I'm comfortable dismissing their comments because they don't come from a genuine, honest place.

As for community activism, I'm actually a big fan. This isn't community activism. This is dangerous, and I care about my community.

They are risking people's lives to make a political point no matter how you dress it up.

Bad policing also risks people's lives, and I'm interested to know how you assessed whether or not they're sincere.