Anonymous
02/27/2023 09:00
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When applying to colleges and universities, applying to at least 3 safeties is the most important. If a student accurately identifies & applies to 3 safeties, then the number of apps to other schools should not be a concern.
If up to me, I would limit students to 12 applications although 10 is also a reasonable limit.
With high stats kids being yield protected from safeties, it doesn't seem like safeties exist anymore.
Not all schools yield protect. If it does, it's not a safety.
THIS. Not sure why some here can't grasp that.
Not a parent of a senior here, so please bear with me - So, how does that work, though? When I'm seeing reports of kids with 4.0+ GPAs that, at least according to parents, have good ECs being rejected from Penn State, for example, how was that not them being rejected by a safety?
Anonymous
02/26/2023 19:43
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When applying to colleges and universities, applying to at least 3 safeties is the most important. If a student accurately identifies & applies to 3 safeties, then the number of apps to other schools should not be a concern.
If up to me, I would limit students to 12 applications although 10 is also a reasonable limit.
With high stats kids being yield protected from safeties, it doesn't seem like safeties exist anymore.
Not all schools yield protect. If it does, it's not a safety.
THIS. Not sure why some here can't grasp that.
NP. Agree, schools that yield protect are not safeties. Food for thought: are there schools which now yield protect, but didn't appear to yield protect prior to test optional admissions?
Many colleges outsource yield management to enrollment management consultants for big bucks. Those consultants use algorithms. The algorithms in the past incorporated score data and test optional students were but a tiny slice of the big picture. That all changed, of course, and the portion of test optional applicants is now much bigger and more likely to enroll than a score-submitter.
It seemed that, in the past, some high-acceptance-rate colleges might accept several high stats applicants and anticipate that only a small fraction of those would choose to attend. Now, there is a sense that the algorithms cannot handle that, and so instead the high stats applicants are simply denied. Something is not right with the algorithms if high stats students are being denied from colleges with 80%+ acceptance rates.
Well first of all, the acceptance rate at VT is 56%. Secondly, plenty of high-stats students ARE accepted. You only hear about those who were deferred or rejected because they're unhappy and disappointed and had fully expected to get in (for some reason). You certainly can't take something like anonoymous websites as gospel.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 18:12
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When applying to colleges and universities, applying to at least 3 safeties is the most important. If a student accurately identifies & applies to 3 safeties, then the number of apps to other schools should not be a concern.
If up to me, I would limit students to 12 applications although 10 is also a reasonable limit.
With high stats kids being yield protected from safeties, it doesn't seem like safeties exist anymore.
Not all schools yield protect. If it does, it's not a safety.
THIS. Not sure why some here can't grasp that.
NP. Agree, schools that yield protect are not safeties. Food for thought: are there schools which now yield protect, but didn't appear to yield protect prior to test optional admissions?
Many colleges outsource yield management to enrollment management consultants for big bucks. Those consultants use algorithms. The algorithms in the past incorporated score data and test optional students were but a tiny slice of the big picture. That all changed, of course, and the portion of test optional applicants is now much bigger and more likely to enroll than a score-submitter.
It seemed that, in the past, some high-acceptance-rate colleges might accept several high stats applicants and anticipate that only a small fraction of those would choose to attend. Now, there is a sense that the algorithms cannot handle that, and so instead the high stats applicants are simply denied. Something is not right with the algorithms if high stats students are being denied from colleges with 80%+ acceptance rates.
Virginia Tech started yield protect (or at least appears to yield protect) the same time as covid test optional became a thing but was likely due to the screw up in yield the year before that, not because of test optional. When my son was applying to VT for Fall of 2021, the Naviance chart for VT was very clear with all green/accept in the top quadrant. 2021 was the first time there seemed to be a lot of high-stats kids who got waitlisted/rejected. DS was one of the only ones in his friend group who got in. Now that top quadrant is mostly green but is also well speckled with blue/red dots too (I have a senior now).
Anonymous
02/26/2023 18:06
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When applying to colleges and universities, applying to at least 3 safeties is the most important. If a student accurately identifies & applies to 3 safeties, then the number of apps to other schools should not be a concern.
If up to me, I would limit students to 12 applications although 10 is also a reasonable limit.
With high stats kids being yield protected from safeties, it doesn't seem like safeties exist anymore.
Not all schools yield protect. If it does, it's not a safety.
THIS. Not sure why some here can't grasp that.
NP. Agree, schools that yield protect are not safeties. Food for thought: are there schools which now yield protect, but didn't appear to yield protect prior to test optional admissions?
Many colleges outsource yield management to enrollment management consultants for big bucks. Those consultants use algorithms. The algorithms in the past incorporated score data and test optional students were but a tiny slice of the big picture. That all changed, of course, and the portion of test optional applicants is now much bigger and more likely to enroll than a score-submitter.
It seemed that, in the past, some high-acceptance-rate colleges might accept several high stats applicants and anticipate that only a small fraction of those would choose to attend. Now, there is a sense that the algorithms cannot handle that, and so instead the high stats applicants are simply denied. Something is not right with the algorithms if high stats students are being denied from colleges with 80%+ acceptance rates.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 16:37
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When applying to colleges and universities, applying to at least 3 safeties is the most important. If a student accurately identifies & applies to 3 safeties, then the number of apps to other schools should not be a concern.
If up to me, I would limit students to 12 applications although 10 is also a reasonable limit.
With high stats kids being yield protected from safeties, it doesn't seem like safeties exist anymore.
Not all schools yield protect. If it does, it's not a safety.
THIS. Not sure why some here can't grasp that.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 16:35
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:The implication when DCUM parents post that this year was a “bloodbath” (newsflash, I’ve been on here for 8 years and every year is the “hardest year ever”)
is that someone undeserving is taking their deserving kid’s spot.
Exactly. I've been on here for 15+ years and hear the same stories, year after year. It gets old.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 16:30
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The implication when DCUM parents post that this year was a “bloodbath” (newsflash, I’ve been on here for 8 years and every year is the “hardest year ever”)
is that someone undeserving is taking their deserving kid’s spot.
8 years? Really? Post-Covid is nothing like pre-Covid. Nothing at all. I gave kids that applied before and after.
Test optional increased application numbers drastically. You now have 50k-90k applicants for an incoming class. Population is another issue. After 2026 the number of kids applying to college will drop off a cliff. It’s the wild Wild West right now.
+100
I can readily admit that I likely would not get into my alma mater if I were applying in 2022/23. And, it's doubtful my nephews that graduated from it in 2016/17 would get into it this year.
Not because you’re unqualified, but because they use a totally different criteria.
Well that and the sheer enormous number of kids applying this year compared to when I applied.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 14:22
Subject: All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:When we parents were applying to college, few, if any kids did test prep and few, if any, kids selected extracurricular activities based on “what would look good on a college application.” It has become an arms race, with the new “normal” far exceeding what used to be stellar credentials. I feel sorry for kids today, especially those who were told that if they did X, Y, and Z they’d be competitive for colleges like A, B, and C.
I still believe kids and parents should focus on themselves and not on what others are doing. Do what’s best for your kid, and stop trying to keep up with the Joneses. Your child will find the right place. Also set the right expectations from the beginning.
This is just not how the process works. You don't choose what to do based on what college you want to attend. You choose what college to attend based on the choices you make up to that point. If you are not interested in, or motivated to do lots of things outside of regular academic work, than you won't fit in at colleges that are designed for people that do want to do all that. It would be a bad fit.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 12:42
Subject: All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
When we parents were applying to college, few, if any kids did test prep and few, if any, kids selected extracurricular activities based on “what would look good on a college application.” It has become an arms race, with the new “normal” far exceeding what used to be stellar credentials. I feel sorry for kids today, especially those who were told that if they did X, Y, and Z they’d be competitive for colleges like A, B, and C.
I still believe kids and parents should focus on themselves and not on what others are doing. Do what’s best for your kid, and stop trying to keep up with the Joneses. Your child will find the right place. Also set the right expectations from the beginning.
I still believe kids and parents should focus on themselves and not on what others are doing. Do what’s best for your kid, and stop trying to keep up with the Joneses. Your child will find the right place. Also set the right expectations from the beginning.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 12:42
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When applying to colleges and universities, applying to at least 3 safeties is the most important. If a student accurately identifies & applies to 3 safeties, then the number of apps to other schools should not be a concern.
If up to me, I would limit students to 12 applications although 10 is also a reasonable limit.
With high stats kids being yield protected from safeties, it doesn't seem like safeties exist anymore.
Not all schools yield protect. If it does, it's not a safety.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 12:27
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The implication when DCUM parents post that this year was a “bloodbath” (newsflash, I’ve been on here for 8 years and every year is the “hardest year ever”)
is that someone undeserving is taking their deserving kid’s spot.
8 years? Really? Post-Covid is nothing like pre-Covid. Nothing at all. I gave kids that applied before and after.
Test optional increased application numbers drastically. You now have 50k-90k applicants for an incoming class. Population is another issue. After 2026 the number of kids applying to college will drop off a cliff. It’s the wild Wild West right now.
+100
I can readily admit that I likely would not get into my alma mater if I were applying in 2022/23. And, it's doubtful my nephews that graduated from it in 2016/17 would get into it this year.
Not because you’re unqualified, but because they use a totally different criteria.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 12:22
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The implication when DCUM parents post that this year was a “bloodbath” (newsflash, I’ve been on here for 8 years and every year is the “hardest year ever”)
is that someone undeserving is taking their deserving kid’s spot.
8 years? Really? Post-Covid is nothing like pre-Covid. Nothing at all. I gave kids that applied before and after.
Test optional increased application numbers drastically. You now have 50k-90k applicants for an incoming class. Population is another issue. After 2026 the number of kids applying to college will drop off a cliff. It’s the wild Wild West right now.
+100
I can readily admit that I likely would not get into my alma mater if I were applying in 2022/23. And, it's doubtful my nephews that graduated from it in 2016/17 would get into it this year.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 11:58
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:When applying to colleges and universities, applying to at least 3 safeties is the most important. If a student accurately identifies & applies to 3 safeties, then the number of apps to other schools should not be a concern.
If up to me, I would limit students to 12 applications although 10 is also a reasonable limit.
With high stats kids being yield protected from safeties, it doesn't seem like safeties exist anymore.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 11:51
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The implication when DCUM parents post that this year was a “bloodbath” (newsflash, I’ve been on here for 8 years and every year is the “hardest year ever”)
is that someone undeserving is taking their deserving kid’s spot.
The implication is that uncertainty increased (as it has, every year for the last several years). Making lists going forward, and categorizing reaches, matches, and safeties, is more challenging than it used to be, particularly for high stats students.
People need to understand that it's a lottery. You have to have the high stats to qualify for the lottery, but after that, it's mostly luck. If a school has a single digit admission rate, it's not a "match" school for anyone. By all means, apply and hope for admission, but don't count on it. Luckily many schools below your matches will also take you, pick several of those and focus your efforts there.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 11:38
Subject: Re:All these rejections and deferrals reported on DCUM and CC are shocking and discouraging
Anonymous wrote:The implication when DCUM parents post that this year was a “bloodbath” (newsflash, I’ve been on here for 8 years and every year is the “hardest year ever”)
is that someone undeserving is taking their deserving kid’s spot.
The implication is that uncertainty increased (as it has, every year for the last several years). Making lists going forward, and categorizing reaches, matches, and safeties, is more challenging than it used to be, particularly for high stats students.