Anonymous wrote:Lots of people are making lots of money off this stuff.

No kidding!!!

Anonymous wrote:Love how OP "doesn't want to do DEI at work" and how that's basically the same as people who "don't want to feel marginalized or discriminated against at work." Except those people have no choice, and OP has no idea their view is offensive.

This entire post is a microagression.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

If you are white and straight (or perceived of as such) you actually, truly have no idea what your colleagues that don’t present like you deal with

This. I'm a white woman but married to a minority, which many of my colleagues don't know. It's astounding the number of casual comments I hear that are discriminatory, slurs, or just plain rude because they don't think before they speak--and that's clearly what they think or feel or whatever.

And what do you do about it? Are you an ally or do you take the easy way out?

Lots of people are making lots of money off this stuff.

If you work for one of these companies you may be in luck, OP

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11724079/Goodbye-anti-bias-training-DEI-teams-axed-diversity-RECKONING.html

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Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.

Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.

I agree that having a diverse and equitable workforce is good. We have a very diverse staff, and people are treated pretty fairly overall. That's not what I'm referring to. Our company is having external facilitators come in and force us to have awkward and uncomfortable conversations with probing questions that I truly don't feel comfortable sharing with my colleagues. I don't want to share "the moment that I felt discriminated against" or "the moment I did something discriminatory to someone else" or "my family background and structure". None of these things contribute to me doing my job well.

NP. I 100% agree with you, on all points. I was interviewing recently and thought it went pretty well. Then the last question: "Who is the most inclusive person you know, and why?" Nothing at all to do with the job or my experience. I was completely floored and it showed. I made up some BS answer but I knew that was it. Because of some absurd, virtue-signaling question, I did not get a job I was fully qualified for.

DEI is a farce and I look forward to the day more people realize this.

Well they thought answering that question well was part of being qualified. So NO, you were not fully qualified.

Yeah, but it was a dumbass clown question. PP dodged a bullet.

It was a softball question. Any clown should have been able to answer it. Who is against managers being inclusive? That's not a race thing per se. I could be introvert/extrovert, accessibility issues, virtual/in person, so many things.

It was a softball question (NP). I mentally answered it as I was reading it. But we don't know what kind of a response they were looking for.

I still don’t understand the question? I would have taken it literally as “ inclusive” meaning a friend, neighbor, manager who makes everyone always feel welcome no matter the circumstance. Or, we’re you to name someone of color, gender, trait. I’m confused!

There's no "right" answer but there are definite wrong answers. It's more about demonstrating that you've given some thought to what being inclusive means and that you can value inclusiveness in your office/team/job. A good example of inclusive behavior would be a team leader who makes sure everyone on the team is heard from rather than listening only to the loudest voices in the room. While not explicitly about gender or race, this example does have a gender and race component in that people who are "onlys" in the room are often less empowered to speak up even when they have something valuable to contribute. From a business perspective, organizations that are inclusive are less likely to make costly mistakes and are less likely to have disengaged or actively disengaged employees.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

I’m sorry, punctuality is a problem in the work place? I think we’re all rather peeved when our meal takes 1.5 hours to come out at a restaurant or our Amazon shipment is 4 days late…

Punctuality is a result of the move towards industrial organization. Nobody, I repeat, nobody likes it on the producer side - no matter what industry you’re in, but to imply that it’s somehow prejudice is a difficult concept for me to understand. Could you please elaborate?

https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_bias_of_professionalism_standards

n a world driven by capitalism, professionalism is based on a monochronic relationship to timeliness and work style. It centers productivity over people, values time commitments, accomplishes tasks in a linear fashion, and often favors individuals who are white and Western. In contrast, polychronic cultures, while still able to get tasks completed, prioritize socialization and familial connections over economic labor. Within black and immigrant communities, there is often a deep ancestral connection to polychronic cultural orientation.

Your job will require you to adhere to the capitalistic values of productivity and timeliness. That’s just the way it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

Punctuality? because every white person has a chauffeur and limo or pent house next door and all POCs are taking 6 buses, right? 🙄

How on earth are punctuality and perfectionism racist issues??

Could it be the same way that literacy tests were racist?

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Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.

Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.

I agree that having a diverse and equitable workforce is good. We have a very diverse staff, and people are treated pretty fairly overall. That's not what I'm referring to. Our company is having external facilitators come in and force us to have awkward and uncomfortable conversations with probing questions that I truly don't feel comfortable sharing with my colleagues. I don't want to share "the moment that I felt discriminated against" or "the moment I did something discriminatory to someone else" or "my family background and structure". None of these things contribute to me doing my job well.

NP. I 100% agree with you, on all points. I was interviewing recently and thought it went pretty well. Then the last question: "Who is the most inclusive person you know, and why?" Nothing at all to do with the job or my experience. I was completely floored and it showed. I made up some BS answer but I knew that was it. Because of some absurd, virtue-signaling question, I did not get a job I was fully qualified for.

DEI is a farce and I look forward to the day more people realize this.

Well they thought answering that question well was part of being qualified. So NO, you were not fully qualified.

Yeah, but it was a dumbass clown question. PP dodged a bullet.

It was a softball question. Any clown should have been able to answer it. Who is against managers being inclusive? That's not a race thing per se. I could be introvert/extrovert, accessibility issues, virtual/in person, so many things.

It was a softball question (NP). I mentally answered it as I was reading it. But we don't know what kind of a response they were looking for.

I still don’t understand the question? I would have taken it literally as “ inclusive” meaning a friend, neighbor, manager who makes everyone always feel welcome no matter the circumstance. Or, we’re you to name someone of color, gender, trait. I’m confused!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

I’m sorry, punctuality is a problem in the work place? I think we’re all rather peeved when our meal takes 1.5 hours to come out at a restaurant or our Amazon shipment is 4 days late…

Punctuality is a result of the move towards industrial organization. Nobody, I repeat, nobody likes it on the producer side - no matter what industry you’re in, but to imply that it’s somehow prejudice is a difficult concept for me to understand. Could you please elaborate?

https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_bias_of_professionalism_standards

n a world driven by capitalism, professionalism is based on a monochronic relationship to timeliness and work style. It centers productivity over people, values time commitments, accomplishes tasks in a linear fashion, and often favors individuals who are white and Western. In contrast, polychronic cultures, while still able to get tasks completed, prioritize socialization and familial connections over economic labor. Within black and immigrant communities, there is often a deep ancestral connection to polychronic cultural orientation.

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I'm pretty woke, but now I've heard it all. Expecting punctuality and professionalism is racist? Come on, now. I think we do a disservice to POC by focusing on these complaints. Everyone would be better off just focusing on the skills that they bring to the workplace. I work for an AA VP at my company, and he's a rock star (age 48). He's very capable and competent. Everyone agrees that he deserves to be the boss.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

If you are white and straight (or perceived of as such) you actually, truly have no idea what your colleagues that don’t present like you deal with

This. I'm a white woman but married to a minority, which many of my colleagues don't know. It's astounding the number of casual comments I hear that are discriminatory, slurs, or just plain rude because they don't think before they speak--and that's clearly what they think or feel or whatever.

It sounds like you're working at a place with trashy people. There are plenty of places to work where people do not talk like that, and are not trashy.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

I’m sorry, punctuality is a problem in the work place? I think we’re all rather peeved when our meal takes 1.5 hours to come out at a restaurant or our Amazon shipment is 4 days late…

Punctuality is a result of the move towards industrial organization. Nobody, I repeat, nobody likes it on the producer side - no matter what industry you’re in, but to imply that it’s somehow prejudice is a difficult concept for me to understand. Could you please elaborate?

https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_bias_of_professionalism_standards

n a world driven by capitalism, professionalism is based on a monochronic relationship to timeliness and work style. It centers productivity over people, values time commitments, accomplishes tasks in a linear fashion, and often favors individuals who are white and Western. In contrast, polychronic cultures, while still able to get tasks completed, prioritize socialization and familial connections over economic labor. Within black and immigrant communities, there is often a deep ancestral connection to polychronic cultural orientation.

"OP, you are under no obligation to share this kind of information - in fact, I think your company is opening themselves up to legal challenges if they force discussion about this kind of thing at work."

In fact the company is doing the complete opposite, which is covering their asses when someone does pose a legal challenge to something that is likely going on under the radar that you are unaware of.

Anonymous wrote:At the large (Fortune 100) corporation where I work, this is a huge priority and we receive constant updates from management on this.

It seems off to me to constantly discuss race, especially at work. But it is the new normal.

same here, consultants claim that it will help attract younger genz entry level people. i don't know it seems that its just attracting the troubled ones that don't do work and hide behind their equity conditions when being written up by performance

None of us do. We have no choice.