Anonymous wrote:Folks, remember when you read a lawsuit, you're only hearing one side of the story. The teacher may be 100% right or he may be completely lying. When MCPS comes back with its formal response and/or when and if this goes to trial, I assume we'll hear things that conflict with the teacher's allegations. I don't know who's right but I won't assume that the lawsuit provides the exact accurate rendition of the events in question.

Also, it's interesting to note that his lawsuit also contains the allegation that the principal took this action out of jealousy because the principal himself was such a failure and the teacher is such a popular success story. Something's a little off there.

There are some interesting inconsistencies if you read the whole suit and attachments.

Some paragraphs describe Engler as an “award-winning” IB teacher. It’s true he was an IB English teacher a few years ago, but according to the lawsuit, he was teaching “Health” not IB classes when this incident occurred. That’s pretty strange - an IB teacher doesn’t normally voluntarily go from teaching IB to teaching non-IB, non-Core classes like Health.

And, in the demand for the retraction, Engler’s lawyers write, “ It is our understanding that, prior to the start of the term, these students had informed the school administrators that they did not want to be in Mar. Engler’s class (something Mr. Engler did not know) because of an unrelated incident that had occurred in one of his classes the previous year.”

Knowing that there was a “previous incident,” makes me really wonder what other problems Engler had and makes me doubt (the somewhat over the top) paragraphs 96 & 97 of the complaint that describe Mooney as having a “personal dislike and animosity” and wanting to “interfere with the success of Engler’s teaching and coaching career and being “jealous”.

Granted, Mooney appears not to have handled this according to policy, but, as a PP notes, a pleading is a very one-sided document - it’s the plaintiff’s best characterization of the situation. If the Engler case moves to trial, more facts may come out.

The BCC principal sounds totally incompetent and unable to follow proper procedure.

Did the accused BCC teacher resign, or is he teaching elsewhere?

Anonymous wrote:Is Mooney still on leave?
https://bcctattler.org/2619/news/b-cc-principal-dr-mooney-out-on-medical-leave/

No.

The facts in the lawsuit are compelling. The fact that he was never subject to a disciplinary hearing, the fact that they couldn't find any students to corroborate what was said in the letter. That's something you don't forget.

Is Mooney still on leave?
https://bcctattler.org/2619/news/b-cc-principal-dr-mooney-out-on-medical-leave/

Anonymous wrote:Folks, remember when you read a lawsuit, you're only hearing one side of the story. The teacher may be 100% right or he may be completely lying. When MCPS comes back with its formal response and/or when and if this goes to trial, I assume we'll hear things that conflict with the teacher's allegations. I don't know who's right but I won't assume that the lawsuit provides the exact accurate rendition of the events in question.

Also, it's interesting to note that his lawsuit also contains the allegation that the principal took this action out of jealousy because the principal himself was such a failure and the teacher is such a popular success story. Something's a little off there.

That’s the whole point. Don’t overreact when you don’t know the full story. Hearing the teachers side is enough to show that the woke mob needs to slow its roll each and every time.

Anonymous wrote:Folks, remember when you read a lawsuit, you're only hearing one side of the story. The teacher may be 100% right or he may be completely lying. When MCPS comes back with its formal response and/or when and if this goes to trial, I assume we'll hear things that conflict with the teacher's allegations. I don't know who's right but I won't assume that the lawsuit provides the exact accurate rendition of the events in question.

Also, it's interesting to note that his lawsuit also contains the allegation that the principal took this action out of jealousy because the principal himself was such a failure and the teacher is such a popular success story. Something's a little off there.

given the bizarre over-reaction *even if he said that* I am inclined to believe the teacher.

Anyone know why the ask in the lawsuit is so low? This destroyed his career

Folks, remember when you read a lawsuit, you're only hearing one side of the story. The teacher may be 100% right or he may be completely lying. When MCPS comes back with its formal response and/or when and if this goes to trial, I assume we'll hear things that conflict with the teacher's allegations. I don't know who's right but I won't assume that the lawsuit provides the exact accurate rendition of the events in question.

Also, it's interesting to note that his lawsuit also contains the allegation that the principal took this action out of jealousy because the principal himself was such a failure and the teacher is such a popular success story. Something's a little off there.

Anonymous wrote:pretty sad to go back and read all the overreactions early in this thread.

Are you surprised? Citibike Karen was the same exact thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Then why is everyone telling the Asian parent not to be offended but just criticizing them for being "submissive"?

I guarantee you that if it was an Asian parent or child reporting that no one would care because I know children who have reported those types of incidents and no one gives a s---.

+100. South Asian here. It happens to my kids a few times a week. Noone is outraged. Know why ? It's our everyday existence. In fact, when non Indians don't mix up my kid with another Indian, I am basically surprised and assume the teacher involved is very evolved, or from California or something.
Why doesn't anyone report the mix ups? Its not submissiveness. It's just inefficient. We all know the drill - you don't care if we are offended so why bother. Nothing is going to change.
And the idea that anyone will get fired over Asians being mixed up is just laughable.

The teacher’s response

https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/08/breaking-bcc-high-school-teacher-sues.html?m=1

Everyone needs to read that complaint. All the teacher said was “if you don’t sit in your assigned seats I won’t be able to tell you apart” after the two students refused to comply with his seating chart.

If this turns out to be true, once again the DCUM “ruin a persons life, ask questions later” witch-hunt crowd has performed quite admirably.

The complaint says he was accused of saying that but that he denied making that statement.

Then that’s even worse. It wasn’t even a misconstrued statement. It was completely fabricated.

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Anonymous wrote:Then why is everyone telling the Asian parent not to be offended but just criticizing them for being "submissive"?

I guarantee you that if it was an Asian parent or child reporting that no one would care because I know children who have reported those types of incidents and no one gives a s---.

+100. South Asian here. It happens to my kids a few times a week. Noone is outraged. Know why ? It's our everyday existence. In fact, when non Indians don't mix up my kid with another Indian, I am basically surprised and assume the teacher involved is very evolved, or from California or something.
Why doesn't anyone report the mix ups? Its not submissiveness. It's just inefficient. We all know the drill - you don't care if we are offended so why bother. Nothing is going to change.
And the idea that anyone will get fired over Asians being mixed up is just laughable.

The teacher’s response

https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/08/breaking-bcc-high-school-teacher-sues.html?m=1

Everyone needs to read that complaint. All the teacher said was “if you don’t sit in your assigned seats I won’t be able to tell you apart” after the two students refused to comply with his seating chart.

If this turns out to be true, once again the DCUM “ruin a persons life, ask questions later” witch-hunt crowd has performed quite admirably.

The complaint says he was accused of saying that but that he denied making that statement.

pretty sad to go back and read all the overreactions early in this thread.

If it is true that Engler never said what he's accused of saying, and yet he was falsely accused by the principal and students of doing so, then I hope he wins the lawsuit.

Also, that is reprehensible that the two students refused the teacher's reasonable ask that they sit in their assigned seats.

If what is written in the lawsuit is correct, the teacher deserves some pretty big apologies from MCPS. Seating charts are nothing new. Taking a couple of weeks to learn 150 names is nothing new. If it was not a race issue and was announced as a hate crime with police involved, that’s just disgusting. I am tired of kids being able to say whatever they want without any consequences!