Anonymous
Post 02/27/2023 09:25     Subject: Re:Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

I used to live in Kensington, right next to the Wheaton border. Id go to the Wheaton Plaza Giant and Target all the time.

But if theres been seven car jackings there in 3 months? Forget it.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2023 09:11     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.


The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.




No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.


That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.


How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.


No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.


These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."


They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!


They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2023 09:09     Subject: Re:Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true there have been SEVEN car jackings at Wheaton Plaza, just in 2023?? Thats insane.


Wheaton is an absolute cesspool. I was arguing this a few years ago and all these people were coming out of the woodwork acting like I was crazy and it's such a nice area. WTF is nice about it unless crime counts as a bonus in your mind
these people consider that to make an area “vibrant”. Now that democrats have fled, ruined frederick their next target is WV
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2023 09:06     Subject: Re:Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:Is it true there have been SEVEN car jackings at Wheaton Plaza, just in 2023?? Thats insane.


Wheaton is an absolute cesspool. I was arguing this a few years ago and all these people were coming out of the woodwork acting like I was crazy and it's such a nice area. WTF is nice about it unless crime counts as a bonus in your mind
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2023 09:01     Subject: Re:Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Is it true there have been SEVEN car jackings at Wheaton Plaza, just in 2023?? Thats insane.
Anonymous
Post 02/26/2023 20:33     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.


The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.




No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.


That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.


How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.


No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.


These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."


They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!
Anonymous
Post 02/26/2023 20:20     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:Things won’t get better if Mink and Jawando’s bill passes.

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/02/24/jawando-and-mink-introduce-bill-to-limit-traffic-stops/

Those two sick puppies apparently want to increase crime.
Anonymous
Post 02/26/2023 20:18     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous
Post 02/26/2023 20:15     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.


The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.




No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.


That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.


How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.


No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.


These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."


They may be poor, but that's NOT the reason they are carjacking.

Exactly. Income level is a tired excuse. TONS of people are poor and do NOT become criminals.
Anonymous
Post 02/26/2023 20:11     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.


The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.




No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.


That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.


How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.


No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.


These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."


They may be poor, but that's NOT the reason they are carjacking.
Anonymous
Post 02/26/2023 20:10     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.


The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.




No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.


That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.


How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.


No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.


These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."
Anonymous
Post 02/25/2023 19:43     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.


The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.




No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.


That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.


How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.


No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.
Anonymous
Post 02/25/2023 19:33     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Re-fund the police


+1000


The police were never defunded in MoCo. Try again.


Let’s be clear about this. They defunded the SRO program, and then brought back CEOs when they realized that was a mistake. They also disbanded the auto theft unit, and then brought that back when they realized their mistake. They just got rid of the community engagement division. (For how long?) I also guess they don’t need to defund since they aren’t paying a ton of salaries since they can’t fill vacancies.


Your post is about as clear as mud. Nothing but innuendo.

The fact is that MoCo has increased funding for the police. Period. In light of that fact, all of your rhetoric about “defunding” is blatantly disingenuous.


They have cut staff and services. Funding has gone up because compensation has gone up. Nothing else.


This.
And that package only took MCPD to the middle of the pack in the region in compensation.
Anonymous
Post 02/25/2023 19:33     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.


The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.




No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.


That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.


How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.
Anonymous
Post 02/25/2023 19:26     Subject: Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.


The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.




No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.


That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.


Lay that out in more detail


I did and I'm sorry it disappeared. Thomas Abt's book Bleeding Out is the best primer for it. But go to google scholar (not google) and search for violence prevention, and you will find evidence based best practices.