Anonymous
01/05/2023 14:42
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously, do you not get your work emails pushed to your phone? I find it astonishing that any white collar professional does not and if a direct report told me they don’t I would really change my view of them.
OP here. I do, but I don’t actively check them at 9pm. Moreover, I have childcare commitments in the morning. I cannot devote 24/7 to my job.
You don’t look at the alerts on your screen when you wake up?
Unless you have a work-provided cellphone or computer - with the expectation of being available 24/7- this is not reasonable. I do not have my work email on my personal phone. I have a dedicated app that rings if someone calls me during my working hours. Outside of those hours, it goes to voicemail. My direct supervisors all have my personal number should an emergency pop up specific to my job and we receive notices for emergency closing of buildings or issues with connectivity.
We have no issues meeting deliverables and are rated exceptional in every contract we have. If your company requires a response or your attention to a matter, no matter the time of day, they need shifts or a change in management.
"If your company requires a response or your attention to a matter, no matter the time of day, they need shifts or a change in management."
This is so naive, as are so many of the comments in this thread. You all are just commenting based on your narrow life experiences. Right or wrong, there are millions of people in roles where the expectation is essentially 24/7. People pursue these jobs because they usually pay a sh*t ton of money, they're adrenaline junkies, whatever. They're free to quit if they don't like it.
Whether or not it's reasonable to schedule an 8 am meeting at 9 pm or check emails outside of certain "work" hours depends entirely on industry and workplace culture.
For a person that didn't even need to be in the meeting, my point stands. OP missed the meeting , which caused no issues, and her involvement was not crucial (why even invite her if it wasnt in the first place?). Execs, management, etc. are at different levels. Their participation- as decision-makers- is required and decisions need to be made 24/7. But OPs 160k salary does not indicate that type of position to me, if she is in the DC area. Unless she is a Fed
Anonymous
01/05/2023 14:02
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously, do you not get your work emails pushed to your phone? I find it astonishing that any white collar professional does not and if a direct report told me they don’t I would really change my view of them.
OP here. I do, but I don’t actively check them at 9pm. Moreover, I have childcare commitments in the morning. I cannot devote 24/7 to my job.
You don’t look at the alerts on your screen when you wake up?
Unless you have a work-provided cellphone or computer - with the expectation of being available 24/7- this is not reasonable. I do not have my work email on my personal phone. I have a dedicated app that rings if someone calls me during my working hours. Outside of those hours, it goes to voicemail. My direct supervisors all have my personal number should an emergency pop up specific to my job and we receive notices for emergency closing of buildings or issues with connectivity.
We have no issues meeting deliverables and are rated exceptional in every contract we have. If your company requires a response or your attention to a matter, no matter the time of day, they need shifts or a change in management.
"If your company requires a response or your attention to a matter, no matter the time of day, they need shifts or a change in management."
This is so naive, as are so many of the comments in this thread. You all are just commenting based on your narrow life experiences. Right or wrong, there are millions of people in roles where the expectation is essentially 24/7. People pursue these jobs because they usually pay a sh*t ton of money, they're adrenaline junkies, whatever. They're free to quit if they don't like it.
Whether or not it's reasonable to schedule an 8 am meeting at 9 pm or check emails outside of certain "work" hours depends entirely on industry and workplace culture.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:58
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously, do you not get your work emails pushed to your phone? I find it astonishing that any white collar professional does not and if a direct report told me they don’t I would really change my view of them.
OP here. I do, but I don’t actively check them at 9pm. Moreover, I have childcare commitments in the morning. I cannot devote 24/7 to my job.
You don’t look at the alerts on your screen when you wake up?
Unless you have a work-provided cellphone or computer - with the expectation of being available 24/7- this is not reasonable. I do not have my work email on my personal phone. I have a dedicated app that rings if someone calls me during my working hours. Outside of those hours, it goes to voicemail. My direct supervisors all have my personal number should an emergency pop up specific to my job and we receive notices for emergency closing of buildings or issues with connectivity.
We have no issues meeting deliverables and are rated exceptional in every contract we have. If your company requires a response or your attention to a matter, no matter the time of day, they need shifts or a change in management.
Exactly. I received the highest ratings last year of anyone on my team and still managed to keep work-life balance boundaries intact. Being a good worker does not mean checking email at all hours.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:53
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously, do you not get your work emails pushed to your phone? I find it astonishing that any white collar professional does not and if a direct report told me they don’t I would really change my view of them.
OP here. I do, but I don’t actively check them at 9pm. Moreover, I have childcare commitments in the morning. I cannot devote 24/7 to my job.
You don’t look at the alerts on your screen when you wake up?
Unless you have a work-provided cellphone or computer - with the expectation of being available 24/7- this is not reasonable. I do not have my work email on my personal phone. I have a dedicated app that rings if someone calls me during my working hours. Outside of those hours, it goes to voicemail. My direct supervisors all have my personal number should an emergency pop up specific to my job and we receive notices for emergency closing of buildings or issues with connectivity.
We have no issues meeting deliverables and are rated exceptional in every contract we have. If your company requires a response or your attention to a matter, no matter the time of day, they need shifts or a change in management.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:19
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Ah, but there was notice. You just did not check for the notice outside of your time clock in/ clock out mentality.
No one cares that you’re a workaholic. Your company doesn’t think more of you.
Struck a nerve.
Not a workaholic, but someone who check email outside of 9-4 (or whatever work to the clock 8 hours you select).
In this case the email was sent at 9pm. If you consider it necessary to check email at/after 9pm, you do you I guess.
Yes, I will do me. I'm not a corporate stooge.
Doth protest too much.
Says the person manically checking their email every hour, lest they receive a missive from their overlord.
????? I never said anything of the sort.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:18
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Ah, but there was notice. You just did not check for the notice outside of your time clock in/ clock out mentality.
No one cares that you’re a workaholic. Your company doesn’t think more of you.
Struck a nerve.
Not a workaholic, but someone who check email outside of 9-4 (or whatever work to the clock 8 hours you select).
In this case the email was sent at 9pm. If you consider it necessary to check email at/after 9pm, you do you I guess.
Yes, I will do me. I'm not a corporate stooge.
Doth protest too much.
Says the person manically checking their email every hour, lest they receive a missive from their overlord.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:16
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously, do you not get your work emails pushed to your phone? I find it astonishing that any white collar professional does not and if a direct report told me they don’t I would really change my view of them.
OP here. I do, but I don’t actively check them at 9pm. Moreover, I have childcare commitments in the morning. I cannot devote 24/7 to my job.
You don’t look at the alerts on your screen when you wake up?
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:10
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Ah, but there was notice. You just did not check for the notice outside of your time clock in/ clock out mentality.
No one cares that you’re a workaholic. Your company doesn’t think more of you.
Struck a nerve.
Not a workaholic, but someone who check email outside of 9-4 (or whatever work to the clock 8 hours you select).
In this case the email was sent at 9pm. If you consider it necessary to check email at/after 9pm, you do you I guess.
Yes, I will do me. I'm not a corporate stooge.
Doth protest too much.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:09
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Ah, but there was notice. You just did not check for the notice outside of your time clock in/ clock out mentality.
No one cares that you’re a workaholic. Your company doesn’t think more of you.
Struck a nerve.
Not a workaholic, but someone who check email outside of 9-4 (or whatever work to the clock 8 hours you select).
In this case the email was sent at 9pm. If you consider it necessary to check email at/after 9pm, you do you I guess.
Yes, I will do me. I'm not a corporate stooge.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:08
Subject: Re:Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.
I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.
I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.
I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.
Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!
You asked for this by begging to work from home. Enjoy!
How does WAH vs WOH change a 9pm email?
Because she's be at work at 8 am otherwise, not dropping off her kid. You don't get work-life balance working from home, sorry!
Says who? Very few people I know begin work at 8. I start at 8:30 and am the earliest one I know--many people I know don't begin until 10. And of course you get work life balance when you work from home. What a corporate brownnoser you are.
I still don’t get this. I see people at work log in before kid wakes up and often do meeting while walking kids to school or in car. What does one have to do with another.
What is so precious about 8am? I mean I dropped my kid off at practice every Monday at 330 pm. I got blue tooth and WiFi in car. I can do it and drop off kid same time. I have a 730 am meeting tomorrow. I can do it and still put breakfast out.
When you do things like this you are not fully present either for your child or your job.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:06
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Ah, but there was notice. You just did not check for the notice outside of your time clock in/ clock out mentality.
No one cares that you’re a workaholic. Your company doesn’t think more of you.
Struck a nerve.
Not a workaholic, but someone who check email outside of 9-4 (or whatever work to the clock 8 hours you select).
In this case the email was sent at 9pm. If you consider it necessary to check email at/after 9pm, you do you I guess.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 13:04
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Ah, but there was notice. You just did not check for the notice outside of your time clock in/ clock out mentality.
No one cares that you’re a workaholic. Your company doesn’t think more of you.
Struck a nerve.
Not a workaholic, but someone who check email outside of 9-4 (or whatever work to the clock 8 hours you select).
Anonymous
01/05/2023 12:56
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Ah, but there was notice. You just did not check for the notice outside of your time clock in/ clock out mentality.
No one cares that you’re a workaholic. Your company doesn’t think more of you.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 12:55
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Ah, but there was notice. You just did not check for the notice outside of your time clock in/ clock out mentality.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 12:54
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
My husband makes $320K + bonus and several million in stock. He works roughly from 8/8:30am-6pm. He sometimes checks email after hours, but it’s rare. He never works on the weekend.
So someone making $160K being expected to check email after hours regularly, solely due to salary, seems odd.
Cool story. He must be in a high demand niche.