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If he swims with masters 3 times/week he’s very strong. It’s long distance freestyle - breaking water with arms, kicking. Water is very heavy hard to move particular long distance

No doubt he's stronger than a woman, which is no great achievement, but 6'3" and 165 pounds means he isn't very strong at all by male strength standards. Basically he's a skinny dork.

First pp here with the dh. He's very strong. Sure, he's skinny (31 in pants) but he can lift a lot. No, he doesn't go to the gym, nor lift weights. He has a large chest and biceps.

I googled and Michael Phelps is 6'4 and weighed 165 lbs (although it says 194lbs now). My dh is no where near that muscled, but similar body.

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Anonymous wrote:42 year male, neither is attractive to me.
Ideal for me is 5’3-5’5
145-150 lbs
Saggy boobs
Nice but
Full bush
Some stretch marks
Great smile

This just tells me you're not slim or athletic either, and thus not too choosy.

You would be very wrong.
6’4 235 lbs, 13% body fat, 6 pack, PV, defined obliques, lift with trainer 2-3 days a week, do yoga 2 days a week, 20 min to an hour of cardio everyday.

I am choosy and this has almost always been my ideal woman.

At 6'4 nd 235 lbs you are ft yourself, thus your ideal woman is fat

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the guy is fat not fit, pardon

I am that guy. You don’t have a clue of what you are talking about. 6’4”, 235 lb witb 13% body fat is not even close to fat. You really don’t understand how that works?

Absolutely. My son is an athlete 6’4 weigh 190 pounds. ExH was about same as well. You are about 45 pounds overweight. All these machines give you automatic fat ratio - you need to look at your fat face and the mirror to see

Not that guy but height and weight are not the whole story. If he has got 30 pounds of fat and the rest is muscle then he is fit, but if it's 50 pounds of fat then he's overweight.

When Arnold won bodybuilding competitions he was 6' 2" and 235 - officially "obese" but in fact not even close to obese.

That's what I got for you. Officially overweight. You are not Arnold and he was on serious steroids (now overweight as this mass goes into fat once you stop taking steroids). If you don't believe CDC I don't know what to tell you.

For the information you entered:

Height: 6 feet, 4 inches

Weight: 235 pounds

Your BMI is 28.6, indicating your weight is in the Overweight category for adults of your height. BMI is a screening measure and is not intended to diagnose disease or illness. For more information, visit About Adult BMI.

Your info is exactly why everyone says BMI sucks. It was invented by insurance companies. I suppose you think Shaquille O’ Neal was obese during his playing days when he was solid muscle. Because he was the poster child then for why BMI is crap.

Are your “athletic” husband and son bicyclists by any chance? They always look kind of sinewy. Or runners? Also stringy.

I know pro sports well: many athletes are gaining a lot of weight after retiring from sports, with very few exceptions. They take enhancements, eat a lot of protein, fats and it's very hard to change diet after retirement. They end up fat after age 50, like Arnold.

It's inherently incorrect to compare an average Joe to Tom Brady. An average Joe who is 235 lbs is not a real athlete anywhere near national level. He's a regular overweight man, who continues eating, and added some hard muscles beneath his fat. Now he thinks it's an ok weight since Tom Brady is also 235 lbs. No, it's not.

He literally had a scan that showed 13 percent body fat. That is not what the ordinary average Joe does.

You’re wrong. Deal with it.

So when you show being at top 20 in your sport in your state then I would believe you. For now I tend to believe CDC

Guy that is 6’4” 235 here again. On days I don’t work out with trainer I use the Thrst app. The man who is behind the app is Mike Thurston. Using your logic he has BMI of 30 (5’11”, 215-220). Google him, then come back and tell us on a scale of 1-10 how obese he is. Anything above a zero will prove that you are insane.

My Dh is 6’3 165lbs. He is very athletic. Does master swim 3x a week, runs daily and bikes. He’s very muscular and not bony. It’s hard to imagine how someone could be 70lbs more and not fat. I’m picturing Jason Momoa (who isn’t obese but not thin)

Does he lift anything? All he does is cardio!

The 6'3"/165 lb. guy who exercises all the time is most likely, an excercise anorexic. That sounds very underweight for a man who is constantly exercising. A naturally "skinny" type dude wouldn't have to be doing all that cardio and jogging to keep his weight down. This is the male analog of the more typical female dietary anorexic, although both genders can be both kinds of anorexic, sometimes simultaneously.

"Fit and fat" is an oxymoron.

Every moderately intelligent person can draw the line when health fitness ends and vanity fitness starts. It starts looking odd because people get obsessed.

Short and slim people tend to live longer, which is a bigger benefit than vanity. Obviously, it would be an issue for person's vanity if they are 4 ft and emaciated but extremes are never good.

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You yourself have no clue about competitive sports. Fake steroid muscles don't mean strong. Swimmers, cyclists, other cardio sports athletes are very lean and strong:

Sure thing, yeah, go ahead and cite some Olympic athletes but the PPs husband is not an Olympic athlete he is just skinny and weak.

And you have the same weak muscles under steroid instigated layer of meat and fat.

You are just revealing your ignorance about me and about weightlifting. My muscles are strong because I squat and deadlift over 400lbs. No steroids were involved. And for those lifters who do use roids, which I do not, they do not get the injections and then the muscles magically pop out, which is what dumb people think, they still have to do the work and lift a lot of weights.

To most people healthy balance and activity is good. Artificially enhanced or built is unhealthy vanity. That being said, you do you. If you look fine to others but feel insecure and sad, go on and do whatever adds to your sense of self worth.

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen a thread on DCUM woth so much ignorance and mean-girl hate. Every thread has it - its like people come here to lash out at others from the safety and comfort of their keyboards. Its like anonymity allows people to be who they truly are, or want to be.

While I agree with your second sentence, I have seen MANY threads on DCUM like this. There was a thread last year about whether men are more attracted to very short women and it was INSANE. The issue is that all it takes is for a few people to post mean statements about certain body types, and this people will come back and be equally mean in response. Like a very common back and forth is something like:

1: Men like women who have some curves, really thin women are very unattractive.
2: Some curves, sure. But most men will prefer a thin woman over a heavy one. A lot of women are fooling themselves with "I'm curvy!" -- no, girl, you're fat.
3: Women with more fat age better. Thin women all look like shriveled, haggard, old women after the age of 40. Especially in the face.
4: Counterpoint: "curvy" women might look good in their 20s when it's easy to stay relatively thin, but they can't get the baby weight off. No one will care how youthful your face is when your carrying 40 extra pounds and your cut C cup is now a EE and shopping for clothes is impossible.

And so on. I used to think it was just fat shaming but I've seen people post really terrible, cruel things about thin women too. Actually I think the thin-woman hate on DCUM might be stronger than the fat shaming, even thought there is also plenty of fat shaming. Anyway, everyone feels implicated by these comments and they respond in kind. And the anonymity is a huge part of it. But I don't think this is who any of us truly is, or wants to be. I think most people who say these things don't even believe them, they are just feeling defensive and lashing out. Especially because a lot of the comments on here are just blatantly false. Not all curvy women are overweight, for instance. Not all thin women age poorly. There are many kinds of diverse beauty and people are attracted to all kinds of body types. It's just that if someone online is like "Everyone who has your body type is ugly, and also probably has either an overeating problem or is anorexic" it triggers this deep rage and makes people want to lash out.

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You yourself have no clue about competitive sports. Fake steroid muscles don't mean strong. Swimmers, cyclists, other cardio sports athletes are very lean and strong:

Sure thing, yeah, go ahead and cite some Olympic athletes but the PPs husband is not an Olympic athlete he is just skinny and weak.

And you have the same weak muscles under steroid instigated layer of meat and fat.

I think a young actress Keira Knightley I had a perfect physique back in the day.

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You yourself have no clue about competitive sports. Fake steroid muscles don't mean strong. Swimmers, cyclists, other cardio sports athletes are very lean and strong:

Sure thing, yeah, go ahead and cite some Olympic athletes but the PPs husband is not an Olympic athlete he is just skinny and weak.

I’ve never seen a thread on DCUM woth so much ignorance and mean-girl hate. Every thread has it - its like people come here to lash out at others from the safety and comfort of their keyboards. Its like anonymity allows people to be who they truly are, or want to be.

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Anonymous wrote:42 year male, neither is attractive to me.
Ideal for me is 5’3-5’5
145-150 lbs
Saggy boobs
Nice but
Full bush
Some stretch marks
Great smile

This just tells me you're not slim or athletic either, and thus not too choosy.

You would be very wrong.
6’4 235 lbs, 13% body fat, 6 pack, PV, defined obliques, lift with trainer 2-3 days a week, do yoga 2 days a week, 20 min to an hour of cardio everyday.

I am choosy and this has almost always been my ideal woman.

At 6'4 nd 235 lbs you are ft yourself, thus your ideal woman is fat

?

the guy is fat not fit, pardon

I am that guy. You don’t have a clue of what you are talking about. 6’4”, 235 lb witb 13% body fat is not even close to fat. You really don’t understand how that works?

Absolutely. My son is an athlete 6’4 weigh 190 pounds. ExH was about same as well. You are about 45 pounds overweight. All these machines give you automatic fat ratio - you need to look at your fat face and the mirror to see

Not that guy but height and weight are not the whole story. If he has got 30 pounds of fat and the rest is muscle then he is fit, but if it's 50 pounds of fat then he's overweight.

When Arnold won bodybuilding competitions he was 6' 2" and 235 - officially "obese" but in fact not even close to obese.

That's what I got for you. Officially overweight. You are not Arnold and he was on serious steroids (now overweight as this mass goes into fat once you stop taking steroids). If you don't believe CDC I don't know what to tell you.

For the information you entered:

Height: 6 feet, 4 inches

Weight: 235 pounds

Your BMI is 28.6, indicating your weight is in the Overweight category for adults of your height. BMI is a screening measure and is not intended to diagnose disease or illness. For more information, visit About Adult BMI.

Your info is exactly why everyone says BMI sucks. It was invented by insurance companies. I suppose you think Shaquille O’ Neal was obese during his playing days when he was solid muscle. Because he was the poster child then for why BMI is crap.

Are your “athletic” husband and son bicyclists by any chance? They always look kind of sinewy. Or runners? Also stringy.

I know pro sports well: many athletes are gaining a lot of weight after retiring from sports, with very few exceptions. They take enhancements, eat a lot of protein, fats and it's very hard to change diet after retirement. They end up fat after age 50, like Arnold.

It's inherently incorrect to compare an average Joe to Tom Brady. An average Joe who is 235 lbs is not a real athlete anywhere near national level. He's a regular overweight man, who continues eating, and added some hard muscles beneath his fat. Now he thinks it's an ok weight since Tom Brady is also 235 lbs. No, it's not.

He literally had a scan that showed 13 percent body fat. That is not what the ordinary average Joe does.

You’re wrong. Deal with it.

So when you show being at top 20 in your sport in your state then I would believe you. For now I tend to believe CDC

Guy that is 6’4” 235 here again. On days I don’t work out with trainer I use the Thrst app. The man who is behind the app is Mike Thurston. Using your logic he has BMI of 30 (5’11”, 215-220). Google him, then come back and tell us on a scale of 1-10 how obese he is. Anything above a zero will prove that you are insane.

My Dh is 6’3 165lbs. He is very athletic. Does master swim 3x a week, runs daily and bikes. He’s very muscular and not bony. It’s hard to imagine how someone could be 70lbs more and not fat. I’m picturing Jason Momoa (who isn’t obese but not thin)

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You didn't spend much time around athletes in college did you?

You yourself have no clue about competitive sports. Fake steroid muscles don't mean strong. Swimmers, cyclists, other cardio sports athletes are very lean and strong:

Michael Phelps 198 lbs 6'4
Duncan Scott 179 lbs 6'3
Michael Andrew 6'5 206lbs
Kevin Cordes 6'5 200 lbs

These are all world famous swimmers, who did serious strength/weight lifting training. At the state level, pre-trials pro swimmers are about 180-190 lbs with height over 6'3

I should have been more clear with what I was saying... You only spent time around the swimmers and other endurance athletes. I like how you took it straight to steroids though...so salty.

Swimming is actually non-endurance sport relative other sports. You took only one sport (weight lifting which is a very specific exception from most other sports) and said that other athletes are less strong than you. In reality, most sports are endurance related and require a lot of cardio training. Adding extra weight/bulk is a disaster for many sports - skiing, basketball, tennis, swimming etc. Mobility in all sports is very important.

If you look at top tennis players (Andre Agassi, Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic) they are between 6 ft - 6'3 ft tall and are all extremely light! Around 180-190 lbs at a max

Kobe Bryant was 6'6 210 pounds. It's the shortest basketball player I could find similar to your height and even him is way lighter than your 235 lbs! Other basketball players would be 7 ft tall to be your weight!

Completely different body type. Look at football players stats. You will find plenty that add 6’3” 235 lbs.

Maradona is 150 lbs, Ronaldo 180 lbs, Messi 157. When meatheads confuse sports with steroids 235 lbs of s…t happens. Body builders are showmen like porn stars with fake boobs. Majority of sports require light frame and no extra bulk which kills mobility

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Anonymous wrote:42 year male, neither is attractive to me.
Ideal for me is 5’3-5’5
145-150 lbs
Saggy boobs
Nice but
Full bush
Some stretch marks
Great smile

This just tells me you're not slim or athletic either, and thus not too choosy.

You would be very wrong.
6’4 235 lbs, 13% body fat, 6 pack, PV, defined obliques, lift with trainer 2-3 days a week, do yoga 2 days a week, 20 min to an hour of cardio everyday.

I am choosy and this has almost always been my ideal woman.

At 6'4 nd 235 lbs you are ft yourself, thus your ideal woman is fat

?

the guy is fat not fit, pardon

I am that guy. You don’t have a clue of what you are talking about. 6’4”, 235 lb witb 13% body fat is not even close to fat. You really don’t understand how that works?

Absolutely. My son is an athlete 6’4 weigh 190 pounds. ExH was about same as well. You are about 45 pounds overweight. All these machines give you automatic fat ratio - you need to look at your fat face and the mirror to see

Not that guy but height and weight are not the whole story. If he has got 30 pounds of fat and the rest is muscle then he is fit, but if it's 50 pounds of fat then he's overweight.

When Arnold won bodybuilding competitions he was 6' 2" and 235 - officially "obese" but in fact not even close to obese.

That's what I got for you. Officially overweight. You are not Arnold and he was on serious steroids (now overweight as this mass goes into fat once you stop taking steroids). If you don't believe CDC I don't know what to tell you.

For the information you entered:

Height: 6 feet, 4 inches

Weight: 235 pounds

Your BMI is 28.6, indicating your weight is in the Overweight category for adults of your height. BMI is a screening measure and is not intended to diagnose disease or illness. For more information, visit About Adult BMI.

Your info is exactly why everyone says BMI sucks. It was invented by insurance companies. I suppose you think Shaquille O’ Neal was obese during his playing days when he was solid muscle. Because he was the poster child then for why BMI is crap.

Are your “athletic” husband and son bicyclists by any chance? They always look kind of sinewy. Or runners? Also stringy.

I know pro sports well: many athletes are gaining a lot of weight after retiring from sports, with very few exceptions. They take enhancements, eat a lot of protein, fats and it's very hard to change diet after retirement. They end up fat after age 50, like Arnold.

It's inherently incorrect to compare an average Joe to Tom Brady. An average Joe who is 235 lbs is not a real athlete anywhere near national level. He's a regular overweight man, who continues eating, and added some hard muscles beneath his fat. Now he thinks it's an ok weight since Tom Brady is also 235 lbs. No, it's not.

He literally had a scan that showed 13 percent body fat. That is not what the ordinary average Joe does.

You’re wrong. Deal with it.

So when you show being at top 20 in your sport in your state then I would believe you. For now I tend to believe CDC

Guy that is 6’4” 235 here again. On days I don’t work out with trainer I use the Thrst app. The man who is behind the app is Mike Thurston. Using your logic he has BMI of 30 (5’11”, 215-220). Google him, then come back and tell us on a scale of 1-10 how obese he is. Anything above a zero will prove that you are insane.

My Dh is 6’3 165lbs. He is very athletic. Does master swim 3x a week, runs daily and bikes. He’s very muscular and not bony. It’s hard to imagine how someone could be 70lbs more and not fat. I’m picturing Jason Momoa (who isn’t obese but not thin)

NP
You didn't spend much time around athletes in college did you?

You yourself have no clue about competitive sports. Fake steroid muscles don't mean strong. Swimmers, cyclists, other cardio sports athletes are very lean and strong:

Michael Phelps 198 lbs 6'4
Duncan Scott 179 lbs 6'3
Michael Andrew 6'5 206lbs
Kevin Cordes 6'5 200 lbs

These are all world famous swimmers, who did serious strength/weight lifting training. At the state level, pre-trials pro swimmers are about 180-190 lbs with height over 6'3

I should have been more clear with what I was saying... You only spent time around the swimmers and other endurance athletes. I like how you took it straight to steroids though...so salty.

Swimming is actually non-endurance sport relative other sports. You took only one sport (weight lifting which is a very specific exception from most other sports) and said that other athletes are less strong than you. In reality, most sports are endurance related and require a lot of cardio training. Adding extra weight/bulk is a disaster for many sports - skiing, basketball, tennis, swimming etc. Mobility in all sports is very important.

If you look at top tennis players (Andre Agassi, Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic) they are between 6 ft - 6'3 ft tall and are all extremely light! Around 180-190 lbs at a max

Kobe Bryant was 6'6 210 pounds. It's the shortest basketball player I could find similar to your height and even him is way lighter than your 235 lbs! Other basketball players would be 7 ft tall to be your weight!

Completely different body type. Look at football players stats. You will find plenty that add 6’3” 235 lbs.

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Anonymous wrote:42 year male, neither is attractive to me.
Ideal for me is 5’3-5’5
145-150 lbs
Saggy boobs
Nice but
Full bush
Some stretch marks
Great smile

This just tells me you're not slim or athletic either, and thus not too choosy.

You would be very wrong.
6’4 235 lbs, 13% body fat, 6 pack, PV, defined obliques, lift with trainer 2-3 days a week, do yoga 2 days a week, 20 min to an hour of cardio everyday.

I am choosy and this has almost always been my ideal woman.

At 6'4 nd 235 lbs you are ft yourself, thus your ideal woman is fat

?

the guy is fat not fit, pardon

I am that guy. You don’t have a clue of what you are talking about. 6’4”, 235 lb witb 13% body fat is not even close to fat. You really don’t understand how that works?

Absolutely. My son is an athlete 6’4 weigh 190 pounds. ExH was about same as well. You are about 45 pounds overweight. All these machines give you automatic fat ratio - you need to look at your fat face and the mirror to see

Not that guy but height and weight are not the whole story. If he has got 30 pounds of fat and the rest is muscle then he is fit, but if it's 50 pounds of fat then he's overweight.

When Arnold won bodybuilding competitions he was 6' 2" and 235 - officially "obese" but in fact not even close to obese.

That's what I got for you. Officially overweight. You are not Arnold and he was on serious steroids (now overweight as this mass goes into fat once you stop taking steroids). If you don't believe CDC I don't know what to tell you.

For the information you entered:

Height: 6 feet, 4 inches

Weight: 235 pounds

Your BMI is 28.6, indicating your weight is in the Overweight category for adults of your height. BMI is a screening measure and is not intended to diagnose disease or illness. For more information, visit About Adult BMI.

Your info is exactly why everyone says BMI sucks. It was invented by insurance companies. I suppose you think Shaquille O’ Neal was obese during his playing days when he was solid muscle. Because he was the poster child then for why BMI is crap.

Are your “athletic” husband and son bicyclists by any chance? They always look kind of sinewy. Or runners? Also stringy.

I know pro sports well: many athletes are gaining a lot of weight after retiring from sports, with very few exceptions. They take enhancements, eat a lot of protein, fats and it's very hard to change diet after retirement. They end up fat after age 50, like Arnold.

It's inherently incorrect to compare an average Joe to Tom Brady. An average Joe who is 235 lbs is not a real athlete anywhere near national level. He's a regular overweight man, who continues eating, and added some hard muscles beneath his fat. Now he thinks it's an ok weight since Tom Brady is also 235 lbs. No, it's not.

He literally had a scan that showed 13 percent body fat. That is not what the ordinary average Joe does.

You’re wrong. Deal with it.

So when you show being at top 20 in your sport in your state then I would believe you. For now I tend to believe CDC

Guy that is 6’4” 235 here again. On days I don’t work out with trainer I use the Thrst app. The man who is behind the app is Mike Thurston. Using your logic he has BMI of 30 (5’11”, 215-220). Google him, then come back and tell us on a scale of 1-10 how obese he is. Anything above a zero will prove that you are insane.

My Dh is 6’3 165lbs. He is very athletic. Does master swim 3x a week, runs daily and bikes. He’s very muscular and not bony. It’s hard to imagine how someone could be 70lbs more and not fat. I’m picturing Jason Momoa (who isn’t obese but not thin)

NP
You didn't spend much time around athletes in college did you?

You yourself have no clue about competitive sports. Fake steroid muscles don't mean strong. Swimmers, cyclists, other cardio sports athletes are very lean and strong:

Michael Phelps 198 lbs 6'4
Duncan Scott 179 lbs 6'3
Michael Andrew 6'5 206lbs
Kevin Cordes 6'5 200 lbs

These are all world famous swimmers, who did serious strength/weight lifting training. At the state level, pre-trials pro swimmers are about 180-190 lbs with height over 6'3

I should have been more clear with what I was saying... You only spent time around the swimmers and other endurance athletes. I like how you took it straight to steroids though...so salty.

Swimming is actually non-endurance sport relative other sports. You took only one sport (weight lifting which is a very specific exception from most other sports) and said that other athletes are less strong than you. In reality, most sports are endurance related and require a lot of cardio training. Adding extra weight/bulk is a disaster for many sports - skiing, basketball, tennis, swimming etc. Mobility in all sports is very important.

If you look at top tennis players (Andre Agassi, Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic) they are between 6 ft - 6'3 ft tall and are all extremely light! Around 180-190 lbs at a max

Kobe Bryant was 6'6 210 pounds. It's the shortest basketball player I could find similar to your height and even him is way lighter than your 235 lbs! Other basketball players would be 7 ft tall to be your weight!