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Anonymous wrote:Its not going to be easy for you to take a boy away from a personality cult so not much point in trying and ruining your relationship.

Request some neutral person whom he respects to take him out for lunch (so he is captive audience for a while) and discuss this topic.

Good advice. Find someone around his age he looks up to and he may listen to him.

Anonymous wrote:OP here again. I have done a ton of reading about this to understand where my ds is coming from.

This is a timely piece from WP this week:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/10/christine-emba-masculinity-new-model/

And this also helped things make more sense:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-tate-jail-investigation.html

The last one may have been posted already. I can't remember.

Anonymous wrote:I am posting here about this because I am at my wit's end with my 18yo college freshman ds.

Over the break he has been questioning the point of college. He has started an 'online business' that I have through my research/snooping learned that it is some sort of scammy ecommerce website and he has joined an online community/learning group started by Andrew Tate call the Real World, which 'educates' people on how to do this. He doesn't know I know about the group he joined but no knowing what it is about is making the things ds has been saying/doing make sense.

Ds has also been echoing some of the other things Tate says about depression (that it is not real) and about the role of women in a relationship.

He has always been a gym person so I think this is where the AT attraction started with him this summer and it has spiraled in college as he is trying to figure out things. I honestly liken it to a cult. I need help figuring out how to get my ds to snap out of this. He goes to a great school, is very smart and driven. He needs redirecting but I am concerned voicing my real concerns about this will push him further into it. He is saying he wants to take a break from school and I think it is partly to see if he can get this 'business' going.

Is anyone else dealing with this? I feel like there needs to be an online support group out there of concerned moms bc from what I can tell my ds is not alone. I just think he is more into it than others. Tate is a pretty terrible person so I think there is some shame in this on my part as well and maybe others who don't want to talk about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have advice OP but my heart breaks for you. I have lost my husband to Joe Rogan. I despair for my son.

Are you serious about your husband and Joe Rogan? Have you spent any actual time listening to his podcasts and guests? And by serious time I mean beyond who the guest is? As in the entirety of a 3 hour podcast with said guests? I doubt it. It you’re an intelligent person you can glean a lot from them and the guests. You need to use your brain, take in the information and form your own opinion but if you think he’s some type of villain then you’re not paying attention. Maybe engage your husband in what he’s learning/hearing. If I had to venture a guess I’d say maybe your husband questioned the covid vaccine (maybe even for your kids given this is a mom forum). During the pandemic he had guests on from both sides of the debate. But what you didn’t have was censorship and shutting down of information- which is why the left hates him. It’s not that he’s on the right or pushing an agenda it’s that he believes the only way to push through as a country is open dialogue. You won’t see that length of discussion anywhere in mainstream media. Maybe talk with your husband about what it is about Rogan that he finds appealing or refreshing from other sources of information? You might be surprised to find a lot of left leaning people have also gravitated toward his platform.

Lord, I am so tired of people claiming that caring about facts somehow makes me close-minded.

I hear you. But facts come in all shapes and sizes and from a wide range of sources. Is there a fact or topic you think he’s been disingenuous about in particular?

"facts come in all shapes and sizes" -- What does that even mean?

And let's not call someone who uses the n-word "disingenuous." Let's not act like someone who panders to the anti-vax crowd is just encouraging open discussion. If you're not qualified to speak on something, admit it and then don't talk about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have advice OP but my heart breaks for you. I have lost my husband to Joe Rogan. I despair for my son.

Are you serious about your husband and Joe Rogan? Have you spent any actual time listening to his podcasts and guests? And by serious time I mean beyond who the guest is? As in the entirety of a 3 hour podcast with said guests? I doubt it. It you’re an intelligent person you can glean a lot from them and the guests. You need to use your brain, take in the information and form your own opinion but if you think he’s some type of villain then you’re not paying attention. Maybe engage your husband in what he’s learning/hearing. If I had to venture a guess I’d say maybe your husband questioned the covid vaccine (maybe even for your kids given this is a mom forum). During the pandemic he had guests on from both sides of the debate. But what you didn’t have was censorship and shutting down of information- which is why the left hates him. It’s not that he’s on the right or pushing an agenda it’s that he believes the only way to push through as a country is open dialogue. You won’t see that length of discussion anywhere in mainstream media. Maybe talk with your husband about what it is about Rogan that he finds appealing or refreshing from other sources of information? You might be surprised to find a lot of left leaning people have also gravitated toward his platform.

Lord, I am so tired of people claiming that caring about facts somehow makes me close-minded.

I hear you. But facts come in all shapes and sizes and from a wide range of sources. Is there a fact or topic you think he’s been disingenuous about in particular?

"facts come in all shapes and sizes" -- What does that even mean?

And let's not call someone who uses the n-word "disingenuous." Let's not act like someone who panders to the anti-vax crowd is just encouraging open discussion. If you're not qualified to speak on something, admit it and then don't talk about it.

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AT is in jail, so yeah, very successful … please, someone update his wikipedia page

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65959097

Controversial influencer Andrew Tate has been charged in Romania with rape, human trafficking and forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have advice OP but my heart breaks for you. I have lost my husband to Joe Rogan. I despair for my son.

Are you serious about your husband and Joe Rogan? Have you spent any actual time listening to his podcasts and guests? And by serious time I mean beyond who the guest is? As in the entirety of a 3 hour podcast with said guests? I doubt it. It you’re an intelligent person you can glean a lot from them and the guests. You need to use your brain, take in the information and form your own opinion but if you think he’s some type of villain then you’re not paying attention. Maybe engage your husband in what he’s learning/hearing. If I had to venture a guess I’d say maybe your husband questioned the covid vaccine (maybe even for your kids given this is a mom forum). During the pandemic he had guests on from both sides of the debate. But what you didn’t have was censorship and shutting down of information- which is why the left hates him. It’s not that he’s on the right or pushing an agenda it’s that he believes the only way to push through as a country is open dialogue. You won’t see that length of discussion anywhere in mainstream media. Maybe talk with your husband about what it is about Rogan that he finds appealing or refreshing from other sources of information? You might be surprised to find a lot of left leaning people have also gravitated toward his platform.

Lord, I am so tired of people claiming that caring about facts somehow makes me close-minded.

I hear you. But facts come in all shapes and sizes and from a wide range of sources. Is there a fact or topic you think he’s been disingenuous about in particular?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have advice OP but my heart breaks for you. I have lost my husband to Joe Rogan. I despair for my son.

Are you serious about your husband and Joe Rogan? Have you spent any actual time listening to his podcasts and guests? And by serious time I mean beyond who the guest is? As in the entirety of a 3 hour podcast with said guests? I doubt it. It you’re an intelligent person you can glean a lot from them and the guests. You need to use your brain, take in the information and form your own opinion but if you think he’s some type of villain then you’re not paying attention. Maybe engage your husband in what he’s learning/hearing. If I had to venture a guess I’d say maybe your husband questioned the covid vaccine (maybe even for your kids given this is a mom forum). During the pandemic he had guests on from both sides of the debate. But what you didn’t have was censorship and shutting down of information- which is why the left hates him. It’s not that he’s on the right or pushing an agenda it’s that he believes the only way to push through as a country is open dialogue. You won’t see that length of discussion anywhere in mainstream media. Maybe talk with your husband about what it is about Rogan that he finds appealing or refreshing from other sources of information? You might be surprised to find a lot of left leaning people have also gravitated toward his platform.

Lord, I am so tired of people claiming that caring about facts somehow makes me close-minded.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have advice OP but my heart breaks for you. I have lost my husband to Joe Rogan. I despair for my son.

Are you serious about your husband and Joe Rogan? Have you spent any actual time listening to his podcasts and guests? And by serious time I mean beyond who the guest is? As in the entirety of a 3 hour podcast with said guests? I doubt it. It you’re an intelligent person you can glean a lot from them and the guests. You need to use your brain, take in the information and form your own opinion but if you think he’s some type of villain then you’re not paying attention. Maybe engage your husband in what he’s learning/hearing. If I had to venture a guess I’d say maybe your husband questioned the covid vaccine (maybe even for your kids given this is a mom forum). During the pandemic he had guests on from both sides of the debate. But what you didn’t have was censorship and shutting down of information- which is why the left hates him. It’s not that he’s on the right or pushing an agenda it’s that he believes the only way to push through as a country is open dialogue. You won’t see that length of discussion anywhere in mainstream media. Maybe talk with your husband about what it is about Rogan that he finds appealing or refreshing from other sources of information? You might be surprised to find a lot of left leaning people have also gravitated toward his platform.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have advice OP but my heart breaks for you. I have lost my husband to Joe Rogan. I despair for my son.