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Anonymous wrote:He's going to run for President, so he's applying for the job he wants and quiet quitting the job he has. He is not focused whatsoever on Virginia state agendas unless they also are national spotlight agendas.

He did run a spectacular gubernatorial campaign compared to McAullife. But once he won that race, his eyes got wider and he is now laser focused on becoming the Republican nominee in 2024. So now he will bend and pivot to whatever will get him that nom. Virginia got screwed by both sides: 1) by the left for shoving down our throat's Terry McAullife as the savior for the democratic nominee when there were other well qualified candidates, and 2) by the moderates who claimed Youngkin was his own brand, was a moderate and would focus on Virginia issues. McAullife handed Youngkin the election in the debate when he said that parents should not be involved in their children's public school education. Politico did a 15 min podcast re this campaign, that moment and how Youngkin won. It's worth listening to because I am sure he's got the same people working on this next campaign.

The sad thing is McAuliffe was 100% correct about parents’ role in public education. There already exist myriad ways to have input — but they absolutely do not get to dictate what happens in the actual classroom or schools.

Why can't parents have a larger role in what happens in public school classrooms? Who gets to decide?

How is it fair that the rich can spend tens of thousands of dollars per year on private school tuition and be treated as a partner with the school on their child's education, but parents who can't afford to be treated like high end consumers are denied substantive input into their child's education?

Parents have many avenues for influencing classroom curriculum: Electing school boards and state governments who appoint state boards. There are usually comment periods before big changes. This is how representative democracy works. There are also PTAs. And they certainly can advocate for their own child‘s individual needs one-on-one with a teacher.

What they *don’t* get to do is argue with the collective decisions of those policy bodies, especially using straw man arguments (for example, railing against the phantom menace of CRT) and grandstand and use physical intimidation to try to force radical visions of what should or should not be taught (see the disgusting displays at school board meetings the summer before last, many of which were attended by adults without children in our schools, including some some adults from other states entirely). They don’t get to do things like say they don’t like masks being worn during a deadly pandemic no one initially understood and so they will pitch a screaming fit to demand no child wear a mask. They don’t get to denigrate educators who are doing their best. They certainly don’t get to demand school underfunding and then complain about outcomes.

This mentality that they should have all this say is entitlement. Public schools don’t exist to teach your child what you want them to know, they exist to teach your child what society needs for them to know.

And I think you have a weird idea of how private schools work. Paying tuition doesn’t bestow dictatorial powers on parents there.

Bottom line: Parents have a role in education. They are one of many stakeholders, but they are hardly the most important one.

NP: Just to add: Parents can volunteer. They can help chaperone school trips, provide assistance in classrooms, attend assemblies, and offer expertise in many areas with even more direct involvement than many PTA /PTO organizations often have. If the parents screaming about “CRT” had actually spent time in their children’s schools they would have known that what they were claiming to be protesting didn’t actually exist.
Yet another suggestion that what they’re really screaming about is their own brands of MAGA entitlement.

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The loudest MAGA complainers at our school had only been inside the school a handful of times before the pandemic.

They have zero idea about what is being taught and willfully just pushed GOP propaganda about CRT, etc.

This is such utter BS, I can't believe you think anyone is going to believe you.
DP

+1000. Everyone else figured out a long time ago that the issue wasn't whether CRT was being taught in classrooms, but rather whether CRT-influenced pedagogy, with its de-emphasis of concepts of achievement and merit in favor of promoting "equity" over everything else, was taking hold.

When the progressives keep screaming that CRT is always a college or graduate-level course, and never taught in the lower grades, it just shows how out of touch they are with reality.

Yes. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/11/governor-glenn-youngkin-responds-to-backlash-over-virginias-proposed-school-history-standards/
Younkin's education team put together history standards that downplay slavery as the cause of the Civil War, call American Indians "immigrants" and generally doesn't teach history.

Sounds like you missed some woke training. There are no American Indians. You also cherry picked things from the DOE draft to get in a snit about.

Time to move to Maryland. I hear they still have American Indians there

"American Indian" is the common term outside the US, where "Native American" denotes a person born in the US, not necessarily Indigenous. As another poster pointed out with the link to the Smithsonian, there are many different acceptable terms. Regardless "immigrants" is not one of them.

Here is another article from Axios with a link to the proposed curriculum, if you'd like another summary of it and to see it yourself in full: https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2022/11/18/youngkin-history-virginia-standards

Even the Museum of the American Indian has extensive information on the migration of people to what is now the United States before predominantly European explorers discovered what is now the United States.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignorant PP likes to complain about manufactured “woke training”.

https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/informational/impact-words-tips

Gosh, the "Museum of the American Indian" likes the terms "American Indian." Can't imagine why -- just thinking of the rebranding costs alone.

Are you kidding me, think of the number of studies and job creation that this would provide!

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Anonymous wrote:Ignorant PP likes to complain about manufactured “woke training”.

https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/informational/impact-words-tips

Gosh, the "Museum of the American Indian" likes the terms "American Indian." Can't imagine why -- just thinking of the rebranding costs alone.

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Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/11/governor-glenn-youngkin-responds-to-backlash-over-virginias-proposed-school-history-standards/
Younkin's education team put together history standards that downplay slavery as the cause of the Civil War, call American Indians "immigrants" and generally doesn't teach history.

Sounds like you missed some woke training. There are no American Indians. You also cherry picked things from the DOE draft to get in a snit about.

Time to move to Maryland. I hear they still have American Indians there

"American Indian" is the common term outside the US, where "Native American" denotes a person born in the US, not necessarily Indigenous. As another poster pointed out with the link to the Smithsonian, there are many different acceptable terms. Regardless "immigrants" is not one of them.

Here is another article from Axios with a link to the proposed curriculum, if you'd like another summary of it and to see it yourself in full: https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2022/11/18/youngkin-history-virginia-standards

Anonymous wrote:Ignorant PP likes to complain about manufactured “woke training”.

https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/informational/impact-words-tips

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Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/11/governor-glenn-youngkin-responds-to-backlash-over-virginias-proposed-school-history-standards/
Younkin's education team put together history standards that downplay slavery as the cause of the Civil War, call American Indians "immigrants" and generally doesn't teach history.

Sounds like you missed some woke training. There are no American Indians. You also cherry picked things from the DOE draft to get in a snit about.

Time to move to Maryland. I hear they still have American Indians there

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Anonymous wrote:He's going to run for President, so he's applying for the job he wants and quiet quitting the job he has. He is not focused whatsoever on Virginia state agendas unless they also are national spotlight agendas.

He did run a spectacular gubernatorial campaign compared to McAullife. But once he won that race, his eyes got wider and he is now laser focused on becoming the Republican nominee in 2024. So now he will bend and pivot to whatever will get him that nom. Virginia got screwed by both sides: 1) by the left for shoving down our throat's Terry McAullife as the savior for the democratic nominee when there were other well qualified candidates, and 2) by the moderates who claimed Youngkin was his own brand, was a moderate and would focus on Virginia issues. McAullife handed Youngkin the election in the debate when he said that parents should not be involved in their children's public school education. Politico did a 15 min podcast re this campaign, that moment and how Youngkin won. It's worth listening to because I am sure he's got the same people working on this next campaign.

The sad thing is McAuliffe was 100% correct about parents’ role in public education. There already exist myriad ways to have input — but they absolutely do not get to dictate what happens in the actual classroom or schools.

Why can't parents have a larger role in what happens in public school classrooms? Who gets to decide?

How is it fair that the rich can spend tens of thousands of dollars per year on private school tuition and be treated as a partner with the school on their child's education, but parents who can't afford to be treated like high end consumers are denied substantive input into their child's education?

Parents have many avenues for influencing classroom curriculum: Electing school boards and state governments who appoint state boards. There are usually comment periods before big changes. This is how representative democracy works. There are also PTAs. And they certainly can advocate for their own child‘s individual needs one-on-one with a teacher.

What they *don’t* get to do is argue with the collective decisions of those policy bodies, especially using straw man arguments (for example, railing against the phantom menace of CRT) and grandstand and use physical intimidation to try to force radical visions of what should or should not be taught (see the disgusting displays at school board meetings the summer before last, many of which were attended by adults without children in our schools, including some some adults from other states entirely). They don’t get to do things like say they don’t like masks being worn during a deadly pandemic no one initially understood and so they will pitch a screaming fit to demand no child wear a mask. They don’t get to denigrate educators who are doing their best. They certainly don’t get to demand school underfunding and then complain about outcomes.

This mentality that they should have all this say is entitlement. Public schools don’t exist to teach your child what you want them to know, they exist to teach your child what society needs for them to know.

And I think you have a weird idea of how private schools work. Paying tuition doesn’t bestow dictatorial powers on parents there.

Bottom line: Parents have a role in education. They are one of many stakeholders, but they are hardly the most important one.

NP: Just to add: Parents can volunteer. They can help chaperone school trips, provide assistance in classrooms, attend assemblies, and offer expertise in many areas with even more direct involvement than many PTA /PTO organizations often have. If the parents screaming about “CRT” had actually spent time in their children’s schools they would have known that what they were claiming to be protesting didn’t actually exist.
Yet another suggestion that what they’re really screaming about is their own brands of MAGA entitlement.

x1 billion

The loudest MAGA complainers at our school had only been inside the school a handful of times before the pandemic.

They have zero idea about what is being taught and willfully just pushed GOP propaganda about CRT, etc.

This is such utter BS, I can't believe you think anyone is going to believe you.
DP

+1000. Everyone else figured out a long time ago that the issue wasn't whether CRT was being taught in classrooms, but rather whether CRT-influenced pedagogy, with its de-emphasis of concepts of achievement and merit in favor of promoting "equity" over everything else, was taking hold.

When the progressives keep screaming that CRT is always a college or graduate-level course, and never taught in the lower grades, it just shows how out of touch they are with reality.

Yes. Thank you.

100% this.

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Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/11/governor-glenn-youngkin-responds-to-backlash-over-virginias-proposed-school-history-standards/
Younkin's education team put together history standards that downplay slavery as the cause of the Civil War, call American Indians "immigrants" and generally doesn't teach history.

Sounds like you missed some woke training. There are no American Indians. You also cherry picked things from the DOE draft to get in a snit about.

Time to move to Maryland. I hear they still have American Indians there

Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/virginia/2022/11/governor-glenn-youngkin-responds-to-backlash-over-virginias-proposed-school-history-standards/
Younkin's education team put together history standards that downplay slavery as the cause of the Civil War, call American Indians "immigrants" and generally doesn't teach history.

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Anonymous wrote:He's going to run for President, so he's applying for the job he wants and quiet quitting the job he has. He is not focused whatsoever on Virginia state agendas unless they also are national spotlight agendas.

He did run a spectacular gubernatorial campaign compared to McAullife. But once he won that race, his eyes got wider and he is now laser focused on becoming the Republican nominee in 2024. So now he will bend and pivot to whatever will get him that nom. Virginia got screwed by both sides: 1) by the left for shoving down our throat's Terry McAullife as the savior for the democratic nominee when there were other well qualified candidates, and 2) by the moderates who claimed Youngkin was his own brand, was a moderate and would focus on Virginia issues. McAullife handed Youngkin the election in the debate when he said that parents should not be involved in their children's public school education. Politico did a 15 min podcast re this campaign, that moment and how Youngkin won. It's worth listening to because I am sure he's got the same people working on this next campaign.

The sad thing is McAuliffe was 100% correct about parents’ role in public education. There already exist myriad ways to have input — but they absolutely do not get to dictate what happens in the actual classroom or schools.

Why can't parents have a larger role in what happens in public school classrooms? Who gets to decide?

How is it fair that the rich can spend tens of thousands of dollars per year on private school tuition and be treated as a partner with the school on their child's education, but parents who can't afford to be treated like high end consumers are denied substantive input into their child's education?

Parents have many avenues for influencing classroom curriculum: Electing school boards and state governments who appoint state boards. There are usually comment periods before big changes. This is how representative democracy works. There are also PTAs. And they certainly can advocate for their own child‘s individual needs one-on-one with a teacher.

What they *don’t* get to do is argue with the collective decisions of those policy bodies, especially using straw man arguments (for example, railing against the phantom menace of CRT) and grandstand and use physical intimidation to try to force radical visions of what should or should not be taught (see the disgusting displays at school board meetings the summer before last, many of which were attended by adults without children in our schools, including some some adults from other states entirely). They don’t get to do things like say they don’t like masks being worn during a deadly pandemic no one initially understood and so they will pitch a screaming fit to demand no child wear a mask. They don’t get to denigrate educators who are doing their best. They certainly don’t get to demand school underfunding and then complain about outcomes.

This mentality that they should have all this say is entitlement. Public schools don’t exist to teach your child what you want them to know, they exist to teach your child what society needs for them to know.

And I think you have a weird idea of how private schools work. Paying tuition doesn’t bestow dictatorial powers on parents there.

Bottom line: Parents have a role in education. They are one of many stakeholders, but they are hardly the most important one.

NP: Just to add: Parents can volunteer. They can help chaperone school trips, provide assistance in classrooms, attend assemblies, and offer expertise in many areas with even more direct involvement than many PTA /PTO organizations often have. If the parents screaming about “CRT” had actually spent time in their children’s schools they would have known that what they were claiming to be protesting didn’t actually exist.
Yet another suggestion that what they’re really screaming about is their own brands of MAGA entitlement.

x1 billion

The loudest MAGA complainers at our school had only been inside the school a handful of times before the pandemic.

They have zero idea about what is being taught and willfully just pushed GOP propaganda about CRT, etc.

This is such utter BS, I can't believe you think anyone is going to believe you.
DP

+1000. Everyone else figured out a long time ago that the issue wasn't whether CRT was being taught in classrooms, but rather whether CRT-influenced pedagogy, with its de-emphasis of concepts of achievement and merit in favor of promoting "equity" over everything else, was taking hold.

When the progressives keep screaming that CRT is always a college or graduate-level course, and never taught in the lower grades, it just shows how out of touch they are with reality.

Yes. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:He's going to run for President, so he's applying for the job he wants and quiet quitting the job he has. He is not focused whatsoever on Virginia state agendas unless they also are national spotlight agendas.

He did run a spectacular gubernatorial campaign compared to McAullife. But once he won that race, his eyes got wider and he is now laser focused on becoming the Republican nominee in 2024. So now he will bend and pivot to whatever will get him that nom. Virginia got screwed by both sides: 1) by the left for shoving down our throat's Terry McAullife as the savior for the democratic nominee when there were other well qualified candidates, and 2) by the moderates who claimed Youngkin was his own brand, was a moderate and would focus on Virginia issues. McAullife handed Youngkin the election in the debate when he said that parents should not be involved in their children's public school education. Politico did a 15 min podcast re this campaign, that moment and how Youngkin won. It's worth listening to because I am sure he's got the same people working on this next campaign.

The sad thing is McAuliffe was 100% correct about parents’ role in public education. There already exist myriad ways to have input — but they absolutely do not get to dictate what happens in the actual classroom or schools.

Why can't parents have a larger role in what happens in public school classrooms? Who gets to decide?

How is it fair that the rich can spend tens of thousands of dollars per year on private school tuition and be treated as a partner with the school on their child's education, but parents who can't afford to be treated like high end consumers are denied substantive input into their child's education?

Parents have many avenues for influencing classroom curriculum: Electing school boards and state governments who appoint state boards. There are usually comment periods before big changes. This is how representative democracy works. There are also PTAs. And they certainly can advocate for their own child‘s individual needs one-on-one with a teacher.

What they *don’t* get to do is argue with the collective decisions of those policy bodies, especially using straw man arguments (for example, railing against the phantom menace of CRT) and grandstand and use physical intimidation to try to force radical visions of what should or should not be taught (see the disgusting displays at school board meetings the summer before last, many of which were attended by adults without children in our schools, including some some adults from other states entirely). They don’t get to do things like say they don’t like masks being worn during a deadly pandemic no one initially understood and so they will pitch a screaming fit to demand no child wear a mask. They don’t get to denigrate educators who are doing their best. They certainly don’t get to demand school underfunding and then complain about outcomes.

This mentality that they should have all this say is entitlement. Public schools don’t exist to teach your child what you want them to know, they exist to teach your child what society needs for them to know.

And I think you have a weird idea of how private schools work. Paying tuition doesn’t bestow dictatorial powers on parents there.

Bottom line: Parents have a role in education. They are one of many stakeholders, but they are hardly the most important one.

NP: Just to add: Parents can volunteer. They can help chaperone school trips, provide assistance in classrooms, attend assemblies, and offer expertise in many areas with even more direct involvement than many PTA /PTO organizations often have. If the parents screaming about “CRT” had actually spent time in their children’s schools they would have known that what they were claiming to be protesting didn’t actually exist.
Yet another suggestion that what they’re really screaming about is their own brands of MAGA entitlement.

x1 billion

The loudest MAGA complainers at our school had only been inside the school a handful of times before the pandemic.

They have zero idea about what is being taught and willfully just pushed GOP propaganda about CRT, etc.

This is such utter BS, I can't believe you think anyone is going to believe you.
DP

+1000. Everyone else figured out a long time ago that the issue wasn't whether CRT was being taught in classrooms, but rather whether CRT-influenced pedagogy, with its de-emphasis of concepts of achievement and merit in favor of promoting "equity" over everything else, was taking hold.

When the progressives keep screaming that CRT is always a college or graduate-level course, and never taught in the lower grades, it just shows how out of touch they are with reality.

If parents were involved in their kids' schools pre-pandemic and/or listening during virtual school, they would know that CRT did NOT "seep into every aspect of the curriculum".

You were fleeced.

DP. No one was fleeced. Gaslit - absolutely. By people like you. Interesting that the links on this page no longer work. Guess they took down their "Anti-Racism, Anti-Bias Education Policy" information. Shocker!

https://www.fcps.edu/node/43411#:~:text=One%20key%20strategy%20to%20achieve%20educational%20equity%20is,developing%20a%20new%20Anti-Racism%2C%20Anti-Bias%20Education%20Curriculum%20Policy.

A survey asking "all stakeholders (students, families, educators, and community)" for input for possible changes to the curriculum. How could CRT have "seeped into every aspect of the curriculum" if they were just starting to discuss anti-racism?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's going to run for President, so he's applying for the job he wants and quiet quitting the job he has. He is not focused whatsoever on Virginia state agendas unless they also are national spotlight agendas.

He did run a spectacular gubernatorial campaign compared to McAullife. But once he won that race, his eyes got wider and he is now laser focused on becoming the Republican nominee in 2024. So now he will bend and pivot to whatever will get him that nom. Virginia got screwed by both sides: 1) by the left for shoving down our throat's Terry McAullife as the savior for the democratic nominee when there were other well qualified candidates, and 2) by the moderates who claimed Youngkin was his own brand, was a moderate and would focus on Virginia issues. McAullife handed Youngkin the election in the debate when he said that parents should not be involved in their children's public school education. Politico did a 15 min podcast re this campaign, that moment and how Youngkin won. It's worth listening to because I am sure he's got the same people working on this next campaign.

The sad thing is McAuliffe was 100% correct about parents’ role in public education. There already exist myriad ways to have input — but they absolutely do not get to dictate what happens in the actual classroom or schools.

Why can't parents have a larger role in what happens in public school classrooms? Who gets to decide?

How is it fair that the rich can spend tens of thousands of dollars per year on private school tuition and be treated as a partner with the school on their child's education, but parents who can't afford to be treated like high end consumers are denied substantive input into their child's education?

Parents have many avenues for influencing classroom curriculum: Electing school boards and state governments who appoint state boards. There are usually comment periods before big changes. This is how representative democracy works. There are also PTAs. And they certainly can advocate for their own child‘s individual needs one-on-one with a teacher.

What they *don’t* get to do is argue with the collective decisions of those policy bodies, especially using straw man arguments (for example, railing against the phantom menace of CRT) and grandstand and use physical intimidation to try to force radical visions of what should or should not be taught (see the disgusting displays at school board meetings the summer before last, many of which were attended by adults without children in our schools, including some some adults from other states entirely). They don’t get to do things like say they don’t like masks being worn during a deadly pandemic no one initially understood and so they will pitch a screaming fit to demand no child wear a mask. They don’t get to denigrate educators who are doing their best. They certainly don’t get to demand school underfunding and then complain about outcomes.

This mentality that they should have all this say is entitlement. Public schools don’t exist to teach your child what you want them to know, they exist to teach your child what society needs for them to know.

And I think you have a weird idea of how private schools work. Paying tuition doesn’t bestow dictatorial powers on parents there.

Bottom line: Parents have a role in education. They are one of many stakeholders, but they are hardly the most important one.

NP: Just to add: Parents can volunteer. They can help chaperone school trips, provide assistance in classrooms, attend assemblies, and offer expertise in many areas with even more direct involvement than many PTA /PTO organizations often have. If the parents screaming about “CRT” had actually spent time in their children’s schools they would have known that what they were claiming to be protesting didn’t actually exist.
Yet another suggestion that what they’re really screaming about is their own brands of MAGA entitlement.

The thing is that parents actually spent time in their children’s s hooks during virtual learning in which teaching was done by parents. This is when parents actually heard what teachers were jabbering about.

Care to share some actual proof of that?