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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

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Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

DDOT conducted a study and asked the ANC's to weigh in on it. After the ANCs weighed in, the ANC's were given 4 options from DDOT and DDOT asked the ANCs to choose among the options. ALL of the ANCs asked for the same option.

What is the problem with that?

There is no problem with it, but it doesn’t represent anything other than the personal opinion of the ANC reps.

Who were elected by the community to represent them. Kinda like how a republic works, right? Is the US a republic? Is DC a representative from of government? If so, then what is the problem? Other than, you are in the minority of people who disagree with the ANC vote.

You don’t seem to understand that is not their role. Their role is to help to provide lines of communication between neighborhoods and government agencies and in some cases, build consensus with their neighbors and offer resolutions to DDOT on issues directly related to their neighborhood. Before the ANC reps involved identified to DDOT their preference, do you know if any of them engaged in a consensus building process with their neighbors? That was their job. Not substituting their opinion for the opinion of their neighbors.

It’s literally legally statutorily the ANC role to weigh in on traffic issues.

I think we are arguing with the same cuckoo person in this thread but in this case that is not necessarily true that it is a legal requirement that ANC's get notice about traffic issues. DDOT typically does give notice to ANC's about traffic and parking changes and does collect the comments and may even give the ANC comment great weight but AFAIK there is no legal requirement of notice and great weight around traffic issues like there is around a lot of other issues ANC's take up where the deciding agency is statutorily required to give notice and great weight.

No DC code says DDOT has to give ANC notice of changes to traffic controls and great weight. That means pretty much everything that involves installing new bike infrastructure, flexiposts, stop signs, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

ANC representatives need to stick to their lane. We're not interested in their opinions on how much the city should spend on Medicaid or what to do with parole violators or what environmental standards restaurants should follow or how much to tax businesses or how much to pay teachers or what they think about any form of transportation.

I see. You don’t like who your neighbors elected so you want to abolish the whole representative body.

We already have a mayor and a city council. If you want to make substantive decisions, you're free to run for one of those. But no one wants to hear what the 25 year old white guy who was elected ANC with 12 votes thinks.

It’s in the DC code. Just because you have some weird anti-ANC fixation doesn’t change the law.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

DDOT conducted a study and asked the ANC's to weigh in on it. After the ANCs weighed in, the ANC's were given 4 options from DDOT and DDOT asked the ANCs to choose among the options. ALL of the ANCs asked for the same option.

What is the problem with that?

There is no problem with it, but it doesn’t represent anything other than the personal opinion of the ANC reps.

Who were elected by the community to represent them. Kinda like how a republic works, right? Is the US a republic? Is DC a representative from of government? If so, then what is the problem? Other than, you are in the minority of people who disagree with the ANC vote.

You don’t seem to understand that is not their role. Their role is to help to provide lines of communication between neighborhoods and government agencies and in some cases, build consensus with their neighbors and offer resolutions to DDOT on issues directly related to their neighborhood. Before the ANC reps involved identified to DDOT their preference, do you know if any of them engaged in a consensus building process with their neighbors? That was their job. Not substituting their opinion for the opinion of their neighbors.

It’s literally legally statutorily the ANC role to weigh in on traffic issues.

I think we are arguing with the same cuckoo person in this thread but in this case that is not necessarily true that it is a legal requirement that ANC's get notice about traffic issues. DDOT typically does give notice to ANC's about traffic and parking changes and does collect the comments and may even give the ANC comment great weight but AFAIK there is no legal requirement of notice and great weight around traffic issues like there is around a lot of other issues ANC's take up where the deciding agency is statutorily required to give notice and great weight.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

ANC representatives need to stick to their lane. We're not interested in their opinions on how much the city should spend on Medicaid or what to do with parole violators or what environmental standards restaurants should follow or how much to tax businesses or how much to pay teachers or what they think about any form of transportation.

I see. You don’t like who your neighbors elected so you want to abolish the whole representative body.

We already have a mayor and a city council. If you want to make substantive decisions, you're free to run for one of those. But no one wants to hear what the 25 year old white guy who was elected ANC with 12 votes thinks.

Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to see all of the writing nominees?

Anonymous wrote:In its endorsement, GGWash told people to vote for McDuffie and Silverman to get Bonds off the Council, a profoundly stupid piece of advice.

https://twitter.com/CharlottesWWWeb/status/1590358378752053248?t=aKlTuIhbN7WoeInJtdUKpA&s=19

Their endorsements have become so ideologically incoherent that they need to stop doing them. They're actively hurting the candidates they support at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

DDOT conducted a study and asked the ANC's to weigh in on it. After the ANCs weighed in, the ANC's were given 4 options from DDOT and DDOT asked the ANCs to choose among the options. ALL of the ANCs asked for the same option.

What is the problem with that?

There is no problem with it, but it doesn’t represent anything other than the personal opinion of the ANC reps.

Who were elected by the community to represent them. Kinda like how a republic works, right? Is the US a republic? Is DC a representative from of government? If so, then what is the problem? Other than, you are in the minority of people who disagree with the ANC vote.

You don’t seem to understand that is not their role. Their role is to help to provide lines of communication between neighborhoods and government agencies and in some cases, build consensus with their neighbors and offer resolutions to DDOT on issues directly related to their neighborhood. Before the ANC reps involved identified to DDOT their preference, do you know if any of them engaged in a consensus building process with their neighbors? That was their job. Not substituting their opinion for the opinion of their neighbors.

It’s literally legally statutorily the ANC role to weigh in on traffic issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

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Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

ANC representatives need to stick to their lane. We're not interested in their opinions on how much the city should spend on Medicaid or what to do with parole violators or what environmental standards restaurants should follow or how much to tax businesses or how much to pay teachers or what they think about any form of transportation.

I see. You don’t like who your neighbors elected so you want to abolish the whole representative body.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

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All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

DDOT conducted a study and asked the ANC's to weigh in on it. After the ANCs weighed in, the ANC's were given 4 options from DDOT and DDOT asked the ANCs to choose among the options. ALL of the ANCs asked for the same option.

What is the problem with that?

There is no problem with it, but it doesn’t represent anything other than the personal opinion of the ANC reps.

Who were elected by the community to represent them. Kinda like how a republic works, right? Is the US a republic? Is DC a representative from of government? If so, then what is the problem? Other than, you are in the minority of people who disagree with the ANC vote.

You don’t seem to understand that is not their role. Their role is to help to provide lines of communication between neighborhoods and government agencies and in some cases, build consensus with their neighbors and offer resolutions to DDOT on issues directly related to their neighborhood. Before the ANC reps involved identified to DDOT their preference, do you know if any of them engaged in a consensus building process with their neighbors? That was their job. Not substituting their opinion for the opinion of their neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

DDOT conducted a study and asked the ANC's to weigh in on it. After the ANCs weighed in, the ANC's were given 4 options from DDOT and DDOT asked the ANCs to choose among the options. ALL of the ANCs asked for the same option.

What is the problem with that?

There is no problem with it, but it doesn’t represent anything other than the personal opinion of the ANC reps.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

Repost from page 2 of this thread:

Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

You, or another earlier poster, alleged that some unknown ANC had done something inappropriate.

You didn't offer any concrete example of something inappropriate and instead offered this vague complaint about some ANC conduct that doesn't really cover anything that is actually inappropriate or unethical.

So do you have an example?

I already pointed to one clear example: holding a vote on a transportation policy matter that has been presented as somehow reflecting some sort of democratic mandate. Can you point me to where in the legislation it authorizes such votes?

And here are ANC reps holding workshops with a registered lobbying organization on city-wide transportation policy issues. What that has to do with their role as an ANC rep? I have no idea.
https://waba.org/details/anc/

DDOT welcomes ANC resolutions that represent the “consensus” of the views of their communities on matters specifically in the districts.. Consensus is hard to achieve and none of the ANC activity that I am aware of has done anything to build consensus, which does not seem to stop ANC reps from presenting on behalf of their neighbors who don’t share their views.

So it is pretty accurate to say that ANC reps are acting well beyond their very limited mandates.

DDOT conducted a study and asked the ANC's to weigh in on it. After the ANCs weighed in, the ANC's were given 4 options from DDOT and DDOT asked the ANCs to choose among the options. ALL of the ANCs asked for the same option.

What is the problem with that?

There is no problem with it, but it doesn’t represent anything other than the personal opinion of the ANC reps.

Who were elected by the community to represent them. Kinda like how a republic works, right? Is the US a republic? Is DC a representative from of government? If so, then what is the problem? Other than, you are in the minority of people who disagree with the ANC vote.

This seems a little ridiculous. No one cares what ANCs think about public policy matters. That's not part of their job description.

ANCs weighing in on things like transportation policy seem a bit like interns at work volunteering their opinions to the president of the company and everyone is like "thanks, but no one is asking you."

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Anonymous wrote:Bike Lane mafia is not doing so great in Ward 3. Maybe time for a real conversation?

?

All of the ANC's will still be pro-bike lane.
Frumin out-polled Cheh and is pro-bike lane.

IOW, bike lanes are happening.

The ANC races are 50/50 on bike lanes. Siddiqui won by 6 votes. Tandaric lost. The neighbors are sharply divided, now they are actually paying attention. Time for a reset.

It appears the pro bike folks like both candidates in that race:

https://twitter.com/Ward3Bikes/status/1580940779853582336

And Siddiqui was the biggest pro-bike person on ANC 3C and he had an opponent that spent a lot of money and had a lot of support from the Macwood contingent and CPCA/CPHS crowd and still won.

So yeah I think the pro bike crowd is pretty happy with this outcome.

How can they be happy? The competitive races show the community its sharply divided. We can now dispense with the “wide community support” narrative. The bike crowd should be embarrassed for the scam they’ve run the past two years.

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Funny. I was just telling a friend today: "Next NIMBY talking point: elections don't really matter."

Quite the opposite. The elections DI matter. They show the community is split on the issue. We’re all neighbors and if we make policy on the basis of 51%-49% votes, this will not be a pleasant place to live. Now is the time to heal, come together, and find consensus on how to make Connecticut Ave safer: more enforcement, dedicated bus lanes, increased bike amenities around metro, etc. There are many places for agreement.

The decision had already been made by the mayor. Everything that has happened since, the petition, the lies on the neighborhood email lists, etc, are what is divisive. If you want to come together and heal, then the way to do it is to understand the bike lanes are happening and help make the design as good as possible. Neither the ANC, the Councilmember-Elect nor the Mayor are reversing the decision.

You're right. The lies have been what is so divisive. The lies about popularity. The lies about a mandate. The lies about community awareness. The lies about impact. We cannot come together until you all stop the lies.

Kind of looks like a mandate, given the many victories of bike lane proponents up and down the avenue.

This is just asinine. No one was even thinking about bike lanes in these elections. And the leading progressive on the city council was defeated. The city council is going to swing back towards the center after all this.

The republican candidate literally had it on his signs and he captured a few votes.
Several ANC Commissioners made opposing them the cornerstone of their campaigns, most of them lost.
There are at least two threads in this forum that talk about the bike lanes and the various candidates positions, and there is the Frumin v Krucoff thread that also talks about them.

But sure, no one was thinking about them. At all.

Pfft. Nobody cares about ANC races or any of the Republican candidates. The only thing that matters that happened yesterday was the Silverman, the queen of leftwing white people, was defeated in favor of a business friendly Democrat. That's a political earthquake.

I think most people think of ANC representatives as glorified 311 operators.

That is literally their job. Except there is somehow the belief among the urbanist crowd that ANCs have real political power and somehow winning an ANC election (or for the vast majority being uncontested) provides some sort of broad policy mandate. It’s totally crazy and honestly getting so out of control that they should just be abolished.

they have so little power that they are such a big risk that they should be abolished. makes sense!

You seem to lack comprehension. They are supposed to have a very limited role and are taking it upon themselves to try and go beyond that role. I do not think they are effective at shaping city policy, because why would they be? Regardless their chief role is supposed to be serving as an information conduit for their neighbors to understand what is going on in the community and interact with the government. It appears that they instead are trying to control the flow of information, which is sad. That is why they should be abolished. They are abusing their limited role, so what’s the point of having them?

Can you provide even a single example of your ANC controlling the flow of information?

Holding straw votes of ANC reps for policy questions is certainly outside of their role and mandate. Their role is to connect citizens with the government directly so that they can be engaged. Not to presume some sort of mandate on their behalf. That doesn’t serve neighbors and tries to stove pipe and control information flow to the government agencies.

Huh? You didn't answer the question.

I exactly did. Their role is to enhance and promote direct citizen engagement. Not to presume to be a small d democratic intermediary/middle man on their behalf. They are not some sort of sub-DC Council policy making body that can speak on behalf of their neighbors. The fact that many think that they are is bizarre and a strong reason for their abolishment.

ANC representatives need to stick to their lane. We're not interested in their opinions on how much the city should spend on Medicaid or what to do with parole violators or what environmental standards restaurants should follow or how much to tax businesses or how much to pay teachers or what they think about any form of transportation.