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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

It's called knowledge, resources, and evolvement. We used to do a lot of things that we no longer do. And people didn't live past their fifties, generally, sometimes not beyond 40. Again, very reductive and narrow comments that display your lack of intellectualism.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

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Anonymous wrote:Every vegan I know cheats when it suits them, but they won't eat what I serve at my house to make things easier. Even when I've tried -- "this has gluten! omg this has added sugar!" It's just an eating disorder for most people. If you're a vegan who wears leather, admit it, you don't actually give a crap about animals. If you're a vegan who binge eats chick fil A regularly and has the "occasional steak," you're not actually vegan and you can stop being difficult at dinners. If you're a vegan who eats fish, shrimp, and eggs, you're not vegan and you can eat the regular mayonnaise in my fridge instead of making me go to whole foods to get you vegannaise.

Sorry, I don't know part time vegans. At all. You are generalizing maybe one person. Come on

It’s not “one person” at all. Several of us have replied here and we know people just like this. I know more than one of the type someone referenced here: “Be a pain in the ass about vegan food to the waiter and expect nonvegan entrees to be tailored to them, then jump right into the nonvegan dessert when it arrives at the table.”

You are then referring to people who aren't vegan or vegetarian. So, you just have stupid friends, and maybe you have stupid friends because that is the kind of people you attract. You're all just shallow and immature. But your argument has nothing to do with a vegan or vegetarian person. It has to do with people who say they are vegan and aren't . This doesn't even belong in a thread about diets. It belongs in a thread about relationships.

Vegans and vegetarians don't eat food that isn't vegan or vegetarian. If they do, they aren’t vegan or vegetarian, and never have been. Maybe they consider themselves to be "more plant based" but your problems with them have nothing to do with a vegan diet, it has to do with them and either their choices or their hypocrisy. Or a communication problem between all of you. But- no, this is about being a vegan. It's really that simple.

Nope, sorry, if we must respect pronouns and gender identity, we also must respect Vegan Identity! Because how dare you call into question how someone else self-identifies? Definitions of veganism and vegetarian are apparently fluid, because when my sister was a vegetarian for 15 years, she still ate the occasional can of Chicken and Stars when she was sick, and ate meat in small portions on a few occasions while she was a visiting pastor in Mexico and didn’t want to offend people she visited.

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Anonymous wrote:Every vegan I know cheats when it suits them, but they won't eat what I serve at my house to make things easier. Even when I've tried -- "this has gluten! omg this has added sugar!" It's just an eating disorder for most people. If you're a vegan who wears leather, admit it, you don't actually give a crap about animals. If you're a vegan who binge eats chick fil A regularly and has the "occasional steak," you're not actually vegan and you can stop being difficult at dinners. If you're a vegan who eats fish, shrimp, and eggs, you're not vegan and you can eat the regular mayonnaise in my fridge instead of making me go to whole foods to get you vegannaise.

Sorry, I don't know part time vegans. At all. You are generalizing maybe one person. Come on

It’s not “one person” at all. Several of us have replied here and we know people just like this. I know more than one of the type someone referenced here: “Be a pain in the ass about vegan food to the waiter and expect nonvegan entrees to be tailored to them, then jump right into the nonvegan dessert when it arrives at the table.”

You are then referring to people who aren't vegan or vegetarian. So, you just have stupid friends, and maybe you have stupid friends because that is the kind of people you attract. You're all just shallow and immature. But your argument has nothing to do with a vegan or vegetarian person. It has to do with people who say they are vegan and aren't . This doesn't even belong in a thread about diets. It belongs in a thread about relationships.

Vegans and vegetarians don't eat food that isn't vegan or vegetarian. If they do, they aren’t vegan or vegetarian, and never have been. Maybe they consider themselves to be "more plant based" but your problems with them have nothing to do with a vegan diet, it has to do with them and either their choices or their hypocrisy. Or a communication problem between all of you. But- no, this is about being a vegan. It's really that simple.

Nope, sorry, if we must respect pronouns and gender identity, we also must respect Vegan Identity! Because how dare you call into question how someone else self-identifies? Definitions of veganism and vegetarian are apparently fluid, because when my sister was a vegetarian for 15 years, she still ate the occasional can of Chicken and Stars when she was sick, and ate meat in small portions on a few occasions while she was a visiting pastor in Mexico and didn’t want to offend people she visited.

Anonymous wrote:I'm vegetarian, not vegan, but I do eat a lot of vegan food. It's really not hard, people. Can't you make:

spaghetti with tomato sauce
pasta with veggies and olive oil
bean burritos
cauliflower tacos
lentil soup
bean chili
veggie fried rice with no egg
pasta salad

or a million other things?

I'm on dating apps and I see a lot of people say 'swipe left if you're vegetarian'. I think meat eaters are more judgmental, I've never seen a profile that says 'swipe left if you eat meat/aren't vegetarian/vegan'.

And no, I don't serve meat to anyone, including my son who eats meat. My kitchen is vegetarian. It's not a fair comparison - meat eaters can eat vegetarian/vegan food (and likely do all the time in addition to meat), and whether or not you agree with vegetarians/vegans, they can't or won't eat meat.

Anonymous wrote:Every vegan I know cheats when it suits them, but they won't eat what I serve at my house to make things easier. Even when I've tried -- "this has gluten! omg this has added sugar!" It's just an eating disorder for most people. If you're a vegan who wears leather, admit it, you don't actually give a crap about animals. If you're a vegan who binge eats chick fil A regularly and has the "occasional steak," you're not actually vegan and you can stop being difficult at dinners. If you're a vegan who eats fish, shrimp, and eggs, you're not vegan and you can eat the regular mayonnaise in my fridge instead of making me go to whole foods to get you vegannaise.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Anonymous wrote:Inspired by the other thread on having vegans over for thanksgiving:

I’m trying to understand the intensely personal dislike that some people seem to harbor toward vegans.

Is the problem that:
- you dislike it when vegans try to push their lifestyle onto you, or
- you have some problem with the actual diet itself, or
- something else

I write this as a vegan myself, but one who has no issue with others eating meat. You want your burger, eat your burger. Does not matter to me at all. Just as I respect others’ choices, why can they not respect mine?

Would you feel the same if you invited meat loving people and they demanded you cook them meat in YOUR home even though you are against eating meat? Going out to a restaurant, fine no problem but being invited to the biggest meat eating event and then forcing the hosts to create meals for you is too much.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.