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Anonymous wrote:Full time nanny with a stay at home mom.

Yes, but this is the definition. Where I am if there are two kids and mom works then there are two Nannies. I’ve also seen variations of this- three kids, two Nannie’s, SAHM mom.

I’m a sahm and had a ft nanny with 3 kids. This was not a big deal.

Working mom with multiple nannies does not signal UC to me at all. This signals mom works a lot. I feel UC moms don’t work a lot.

We live in an affluent neighborhood. Most of the moms don’t work. The husbands all must earn seven or eight figures. In many homes, both the husband and wife don’t seem to have real jobs.

Ha! Maybe we live in your neighborhood. It doesn't seem like we work, but we do! We just have very flexible jobs that allow us to work around school schedules, charity luncheons, etc. We also are always out in the neighborhood running for scooting with the kids. Had a FT nanny until the youngest was 6 and she retired. I guarantee you we work hard though, just mostly from home.... maybe I go to the office twice a month. DH goes to the office 2x/wk.

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Anonymous wrote:Full time nanny with a stay at home mom.

Yes, but this is the definition. Where I am if there are two kids and mom works then there are two Nannies. I’ve also seen variations of this- three kids, two Nannie’s, SAHM mom.

I’m a sahm and had a ft nanny with 3 kids. This was not a big deal.

Working mom with multiple nannies does not signal UC to me at all. This signals mom works a lot. I feel UC moms don’t work a lot.

We live in an affluent neighborhood. Most of the moms don’t work. The husbands all must earn seven or eight figures. In many homes, both the husband and wife don’t seem to have real jobs.

Anonymous wrote:Full time nanny with a stay at home mom.

Yes, but this is the definition. Where I am if there are two kids and mom works then there are two Nannies. I’ve also seen variations of this- three kids, two Nannie’s, SAHM mom.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you asking about upper class, or wealthy? Because these can be 2 different things.

Yes, I agree they are different. The question was about "signaling upper class". People can do this without being upperclassmen, if they know what those signals are. Similarly, some UC people may choose not to signal. The question was what are those signals?

Generally for women:
Manners
Weight/fitness
Travel
Education
Types of hobbies
Taste in clothes, food, decor, etc.

And about a thousand other little things.

I can’t stand people who try to act and only do things that they think appear UC.

We have a seven figure income and UC in terms of wealth. We know lots of wealthy people. I find the classiest and richest don’t signal anything. They are often confident and don’t need to impress others. They do have good manners and a wide range of interests.

My kids have expensive hobbies. They also have cheap and free ones.

We live in a beautiful home. Maybe we are new money flashy but we have a beautiful house. I won’t try to live in a shack to be understated wealth.

Similar to you I find some signal some don't. We have some Hallmarks, like house in Vail and a nice primary home in NW but we drive old cars and don't spend much on clothes. My younger kids wear hand me downs from my older ones (even uniforms), so some of our behaviors and taste is very middle class.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you asking about upper class, or wealthy? Because these can be 2 different things.

Yes, I agree they are different. The question was about "signaling upper class". People can do this without being upperclassmen, if they know what those signals are. Similarly, some UC people may choose not to signal. The question was what are those signals?

Generally for women:
Manners
Weight/fitness
Travel
Education
Types of hobbies
Taste in clothes, food, decor, etc.

And about a thousand other little things.

I can’t stand people who try to act and only do things that they think appear UC.

We have a seven figure income and UC in terms of wealth. We know lots of wealthy people. I find the classiest and richest don’t signal anything. They are often confident and don’t need to impress others. They do have good manners and a wide range of interests.

My kids have expensive hobbies. They also have cheap and free ones.

We live in a beautiful home. Maybe we are new money flashy but we have a beautiful house. I won’t try to live in a shack to be understated wealth.

Anonymous wrote:People conflate upper class with WASP. It's not the same.

Well, even the Kennedys lived a WASP culture and they were catholic, so the lifestyle is upper class.

People conflate upper class with WASP. It's not the same.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you asking about upper class, or wealthy? Because these can be 2 different things.

Yes, I agree they are different. The question was about "signaling upper class". People can do this without being upperclassmen, if they know what those signals are. Similarly, some UC people may choose not to signal. The question was what are those signals?

Generally for women:
Manners
Weight/fitness
Travel
Education
Types of hobbies
Taste in clothes, food, decor, etc.

And about a thousand other little things.

Sorry stupid autocorrect upperclass not upperclassmen, totally different

Anonymous wrote:Are you asking about upper class, or wealthy? Because these can be 2 different things.

Yes, I agree they are different. The question was about "signaling upper class". People can do this without being upperclassmen, if they know what those signals are. Similarly, some UC people may choose not to signal. The question was what are those signals?

Generally for women:
Manners
Weight/fitness
Travel
Education
Types of hobbies
Taste in clothes, food, decor, etc.

And about a thousand other little things.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know many, many moms who come from UMC who aren't trim, put together, don't drive nice cars, etc. I find women who come from poorer backgrounds but have made it to the UMC are more apt to cling to outward virtue signaling.

As for kids, I have known some lower middle class kids who are well spoken, confident, insightful vs some UMC children who are bratty, entitled, etc.

The question isn't about UMC, it is in regards to UC. To which no, there are not many UC obese women in their 20s-40s.

I AM ONE. SUCK IT JEALOUS B_TCHES!

Your language just told us that your not. Thanks for playing.

NP but do you really think that just because someone is so-called "upper class", that they all look and speak the same way and they all buy the same things? I don't understand the people on this board who are obsessed with being "upper class" or wealthy. There is seriously something wrong with you. Be happy with what you have and stop putting people that are wealthier than you or you feel have some kind of status up on a pedestal. This is like the whole false idolatry thing. Stop worshiping something you know nothing about, ladies. It's pretty pathetic, to be honest.

The question is about culture, so yes generalizations can be made. Yes there will be exceptions.

To put into context - Generally speaking Americans speak a version of English, shop at similar sorts of stores. e.g., somewhere that sells Tide or Nike, and are distinguishable from most other nations. Generally speaking, Germans speak German, shop at similar stores, e.g., somewhere that sells Persil or Adidas, and are distinguishable from most other nations. We can do this forever, and subcultures within those cultures exist, including class cultures. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it less true.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know many, many moms who come from UMC who aren't trim, put together, don't drive nice cars, etc. I find women who come from poorer backgrounds but have made it to the UMC are more apt to cling to outward virtue signaling.

As for kids, I have known some lower middle class kids who are well spoken, confident, insightful vs some UMC children who are bratty, entitled, etc.

The question isn't about UMC, it is in regards to UC. To which no, there are not many UC obese women in their 20s-40s.

Ina Garten ?

She’s old. She gets a pass

+1

Had to Google her, but yes, I agree 50+ gets a free pass. Especially if you've had kids.

Are you asking about upper class, or wealthy? Because these can be 2 different things.

I'm confused, are you talking about net worth as the definition, or things we would consider "signaling" upper class, regardless of someone's actual net worth?

I have a friend who is worth around $100M (all stemming from her dad) and she is overweight. She has struggled with her weight ever since having kids. Before that, she was thin. She went to Choate and said everybody had an eating disorder there, even her, and it really messed with her relationship with food.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know many, many moms who come from UMC who aren't trim, put together, don't drive nice cars, etc. I find women who come from poorer backgrounds but have made it to the UMC are more apt to cling to outward virtue signaling.

As for kids, I have known some lower middle class kids who are well spoken, confident, insightful vs some UMC children who are bratty, entitled, etc.

The question isn't about UMC, it is in regards to UC. To which no, there are not many UC obese women in their 20s-40s.

I AM ONE. SUCK IT JEALOUS B_TCHES!

Your language just told us that your not. Thanks for playing.

NP but do you really think that just because someone is so-called "upper class", that they all look and speak the same way and they all buy the same things? I don't understand the people on this board who are obsessed with being "upper class" or wealthy. There is seriously something wrong with you. Be happy with what you have and stop putting people that are wealthier than you or you feel have some kind of status up on a pedestal. This is like the whole false idolatry thing. Stop worshiping something you know nothing about, ladies. It's pretty pathetic, to be honest.

+1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know many, many moms who come from UMC who aren't trim, put together, don't drive nice cars, etc. I find women who come from poorer backgrounds but have made it to the UMC are more apt to cling to outward virtue signaling.

As for kids, I have known some lower middle class kids who are well spoken, confident, insightful vs some UMC children who are bratty, entitled, etc.

The question isn't about UMC, it is in regards to UC. To which no, there are not many UC obese women in their 20s-40s.

Ina Garten ?

She’s old. She gets a pass