Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:52
Subject: Re:BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.
Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.
Agree. Time to move on. Including lifting isolations and quarantines for kids at school, camps, activists and people at work unless they are symptomatic. Same with testing. No more testing unless people are sick.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:51
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.
Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.
It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.
LOL!!!!!! That worked real well in 2020, eh?
What? We didn't have widely available N95s or home tests in 2020 so you 6 exclamation points cackle doesn't make any sense.
DP. Other countries did though. And they had the same outcomes.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:50
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.
Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.
It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.
LOL!!!!!! That worked real well in 2020, eh?
What? We didn't have widely available N95s or home tests in 2020 so you 6 exclamation points cackle doesn't make any sense.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:44
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.
Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.
It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.
There is no evidence for a causal connection between your prescriptions and this outcome.
You just sound like a libertarian punk pretending to be a university professor. You sound like you want chaos and mass illness while pretending to want accuracy. You sound like Steve Bannon too.
And you sound like you really need some help.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:43
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.
Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.
It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.
LOL!!!!!! That worked real well in 2020, eh?
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:41
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.
Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.
It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.
Ok, you haven’t articulated a plausible alternative. Or even one that would actually prevent people from getting covid. We did masks and and high levels of testing, and 75% of the population still got covid.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:38
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.
Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.
It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.
There is no evidence for a causal connection between your prescriptions and this outcome.
You just sound like a libertarian punk pretending to be a university professor. You sound like you want chaos and mass illness while pretending to want accuracy. You sound like Steve Bannon too.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:30
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
This ain’t it. We need indoor mask mandates until our HVAC systems and buildings are brought up to speed. That can happen; it just requires everyone turning away from hygiene theater and the pretense that vaccines alone have solved the problem.
Either you’re being sarcastic or you don’t understand HVAC systems and building construction.
Oh, no--I understand them well. It's going to take tons of money and investment, changes to building codes--it will be years.
In the meanwhile all public spaces should be required to monitor and make available in real time their CO2 levels as a proxy for rebreathed air fraction, so people at least have a fighting chance of making the "individual risk calculations" we're all encouraged to make. That's not crazy expensive and it's done in other countries; they just don't want to do it here because of what it's going to reveal about how bad the air is.
And in the meanwhile we need mask mandates in indoor spaces, for high-quality masks on which fit information is widely distributed.
Do mask mandates "work"? Yes, it's completely clear that when mandates are in place, many many more people wear masks. If we upgraded those masks and made any effort at all at teaching people how to use them correctly, we'd be a lot closer to being able to "live with COVID".
-1. Your evidence mask mandates "work" and should exist is more people obey them if they are in place? That is circular logic. One should establish if they work, then one should establish benefits vs. costs, and then put these mandates up for vote by lawmakers and not just imposed by public health officials and/or governors. The vast majority of people are not signing up to be forever maskers just because there is a virus with a low mortality in vaccinated people circulating. If some people feel it's necessary to mask they can have at it.
Well said.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:29
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.
Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.
It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.
There is no evidence for a causal connection between your prescriptions and this outcome.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:24
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
This ain’t it. We need indoor mask mandates until our HVAC systems and buildings are brought up to speed. That can happen; it just requires everyone turning away from hygiene theater and the pretense that vaccines alone have solved the problem.
Either you’re being sarcastic or you don’t understand HVAC systems and building construction.
Oh, no--I understand them well. It's going to take tons of money and investment, changes to building codes--it will be years.
In the meanwhile all public spaces should be required to monitor and make available in real time their CO2 levels as a proxy for rebreathed air fraction, so people at least have a fighting chance of making the "individual risk calculations" we're all encouraged to make. That's not crazy expensive and it's done in other countries; they just don't want to do it here because of what it's going to reveal about how bad the air is.
And in the meanwhile we need mask mandates in indoor spaces, for high-quality masks on which fit information is widely distributed.
Do mask mandates "work"? Yes, it's completely clear that when mandates are in place, many many more people wear masks. If we upgraded those masks and made any effort at all at teaching people how to use them correctly, we'd be a lot closer to being able to "live with COVID".
Yes to all of this.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:21
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
Mask indoors when outside your home. Done.
N95 do work.
Home tests do work.
Yes, you can't see each other's smiles, yes indoor dining is out, yes kids should mask in school, yes indoor swimming is out. But then, no mass disabling event, yay.
It isn't that complicated, it isn't that onerous.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 16:07
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
This ain’t it. We need indoor mask mandates until our HVAC systems and buildings are brought up to speed. That can happen; it just requires everyone turning away from hygiene theater and the pretense that vaccines alone have solved the problem.
Either you’re being sarcastic or you don’t understand HVAC systems and building construction.
Oh, no--I understand them well. It's going to take tons of money and investment, changes to building codes--it will be years.
In the meanwhile all public spaces should be required to monitor and make available in real time their CO2 levels as a proxy for rebreathed air fraction, so people at least have a fighting chance of making the "individual risk calculations" we're all encouraged to make. That's not crazy expensive and it's done in other countries; they just don't want to do it here because of what it's going to reveal about how bad the air is.
And in the meanwhile we need mask mandates in indoor spaces, for high-quality masks on which fit information is widely distributed.
Do mask mandates "work"? Yes, it's completely clear that when mandates are in place, many many more people wear masks. If we upgraded those masks and made any effort at all at teaching people how to use them correctly, we'd be a lot closer to being able to "live with COVID".
-1. Your evidence mask mandates "work" and should exist is more people obey them if they are in place? That is circular logic. One should establish if they work, then one should establish benefits vs. costs, and then put these mandates up for vote by lawmakers and not just imposed by public health officials and/or governors. The vast majority of people are not signing up to be forever maskers just because there is a virus with a low mortality in vaccinated people circulating. If some people feel it's necessary to mask they can have at it.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 15:58
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
This ain’t it. We need indoor mask mandates until our HVAC systems and buildings are brought up to speed. That can happen; it just requires everyone turning away from hygiene theater and the pretense that vaccines alone have solved the problem.
Either you’re being sarcastic or you don’t understand HVAC systems and building construction.
Oh, no--I understand them well. It's going to take tons of money and investment, changes to building codes--it will be years.
In the meanwhile all public spaces should be required to monitor and make available in real time their CO2 levels as a proxy for rebreathed air fraction, so people at least have a fighting chance of making the "individual risk calculations" we're all encouraged to make. That's not crazy expensive and it's done in other countries; they just don't want to do it here because of what it's going to reveal about how bad the air is.
And in the meanwhile we need mask mandates in indoor spaces, for high-quality masks on which fit information is widely distributed.
Do mask mandates "work"? Yes, it's completely clear that when mandates are in place, many many more people wear masks. If we upgraded those masks and made any effort at all at teaching people how to use them correctly, we'd be a lot closer to being able to "live with COVID".
You can keep saying mandates work, but you don't have any evidence to back it up, neither high-quality studies nor real life data. Some countries (like Germany) had a "high-quality" mask mandate in some regions and there was no evidence that they fared any better than the regions that didn't.
Here is a good article that explains why mandates have not been shown to work while high-quality masks worn correctly can protect the individual while they are wearing it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/briefing/masks-mandates-us-covid.html
I know this situation is mind-boggling to many, but it is what the evidence has shown.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 15:40
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
This ain’t it. We need indoor mask mandates until our HVAC systems and buildings are brought up to speed. That can happen; it just requires everyone turning away from hygiene theater and the pretense that vaccines alone have solved the problem.
Either you’re being sarcastic or you don’t understand HVAC systems and building construction.
Oh, no--I understand them well. It's going to take tons of money and investment, changes to building codes--it will be years.
In the meanwhile all public spaces should be required to monitor and make available in real time their CO2 levels as a proxy for rebreathed air fraction, so people at least have a fighting chance of making the "individual risk calculations" we're all encouraged to make. That's not crazy expensive and it's done in other countries; they just don't want to do it here because of what it's going to reveal about how bad the air is.
And in the meanwhile we need mask mandates in indoor spaces, for high-quality masks on which fit information is widely distributed.
Do mask mandates "work"? Yes, it's completely clear that when mandates are in place, many many more people wear masks. If we upgraded those masks and made any effort at all at teaching people how to use them correctly, we'd be a lot closer to being able to "live with COVID".
Anonymous
07/09/2022 15:11
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can’t “live with” a virus that you can be reinfected by within weeks. The long term health costs of this are going to be astronomical. This is a mass disabling event, and doctors and epidemiologists are screaming it.
You still have not articulated an alternative
This ain’t it. We need indoor mask mandates until our HVAC systems and buildings are brought up to speed. That can happen; it just requires everyone turning away from hygiene theater and the pretense that vaccines alone have solved the problem.
Either you’re being sarcastic or you don’t understand HVAC systems and building construction.