Anonymous
Post 07/01/2022 13:29     Subject: Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:I’m not upset prisoners have this option.

I’m upset non-prisoners don’t


How do "non prisoners" not have this option?
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2022 13:07     Subject: Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:Any economist would probably point out this program is a good thing if you look at the big picture. It costs $35,000 per year to keep somebody in prison. The US has a high rate of recidivism - 77% are reearrested within 5 years. So, if somebody returns to prison for say a 3 year sentence, it will cost the taxpayer $105,000, for 5 years it would cost $175,000. However, if you invest a much lower amount in educating that person, there is a greater chance they will not return to prison, saving not only further imprisonment costs but also possibly resulting in that person paying taxes for the rest of their lives and their families possibly receiving no or less welfare. Better outcome for everybody.


Amen
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2022 13:03     Subject: Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
It's 100000% not fair. They should not be using tax payers $$$ to fund criminals college degrees. This country is discusting.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2022 13:16     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
RiCh KidS GeT FReE CoLLeGE.... I mean do we really think rich parents just go outside and pick the money off a tree? Some of you people are insufferable.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2022 12:58     Subject: Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Any economist would probably point out this program is a good thing if you look at the big picture. It costs $35,000 per year to keep somebody in prison. The US has a high rate of recidivism - 77% are reearrested within 5 years. So, if somebody returns to prison for say a 3 year sentence, it will cost the taxpayer $105,000, for 5 years it would cost $175,000. However, if you invest a much lower amount in educating that person, there is a greater chance they will not return to prison, saving not only further imprisonment costs but also possibly resulting in that person paying taxes for the rest of their lives and their families possibly receiving no or less welfare. Better outcome for everybody.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2022 12:40     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
.[/quote wrote:

The right-wing is correct. Higher education is an indoctrination factory. [/quote


Time to turn off brain dead Fox News dummy.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2022 12:37     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Blame religion-

A partnership between Calvin University and Calvin Theological Seminary, the Calvin Prison Initiative (CPI) is a unique program that provides a Christian liberal arts education to inmates at the Richard A. Handlon Correctional Facility in Ionia, MI. This five-year program results in a bachelor of arts degree from Calvin University in Faith and Community Leadership.


Who cares what it's in, a bachelor's is a bachelor's for most entry-level professional jobs. I'm sure a lot of their full time students would choose the same program/degree if the college told them it was free of charge.


The right-wing is correct. Higher education is an indoctrination factory.


I agree. Because facts have a liberal bias.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2022 19:04     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:


The right-wing is correct. Higher education is an indoctrination factory.


Said the college dropout. Where do you think Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley + other nuts went to school? Hint...not community college, not state schools but Ivies. Hypocrites! They know you and others are dumb enough to believe them!



Relax bro. Whoosh.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2022 18:36     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college


The right-wing is correct. Higher education is an indoctrination factory.


Said the college dropout. Where do you think Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley + other nuts went to school? Hint...not community college, not state schools but Ivies. Hypocrites! They know you and others are dumb enough to believe them!

Anonymous
Post 06/27/2022 17:01     Subject: Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:I’m not upset prisoners have this option.

I’m upset non-prisoners don’t

don't they work for like $2 an hours or even just for cents? I'd be upset someone gets free labor. I'm sure they have worked enough to pay for college, but someone took the money.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2022 16:58     Subject: Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:Calvin University is a private college in western Michigan. Tuition and fees are $38,370, so even if the prisoners get full $6,895 year pell grant, that's a lot of free scholarships or however it's provided.

In other words, convicted criminals get free college and rich kids get free college from their parents, of course, while low and middle class kid are soaked with an average of $30,000 in student loans for a state university degree (it's about $35,000 for a private bachelor's). This seems extremely unfair, yet the media champions it.



Detroit Free Press: Caps, gowns and barbed wire: First-ever college graduation in prison was joyous celebration
https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2022/05/09/prison-graduation-handlon-correctional-facility/9708357002/


Worry about yourself. Don't worry about what is and isn't fair. You're just making yourself bitter.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2022 16:56     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
"It's not fair"

Nothing about college scholarship awarding is "fair," OP. Nor is it designed to be...

A private college could give a full merit scholarship to anyone with the first name Elizabeth if they decided they want to...

Or any kid who grew up in Chappaqua, New York...

Or any kid with a perfect SAT score....

Or any kid who is a really talented pianist....

Or any kid who is really good at playing soccer.

As long as the institution isn't misusing federal funding on said scholarship, or engaging in what is illegal discrimination*, they are free to award $$ however they wish. Whether that is to people in prison. Or girls named Elizabeth. Or kids from Westchester. Or perfect test-takers. Or musicians. Or athletes.

*e.g. awarded solely on the basis of race. SCOTUS has ruled this illegal.

Anonymous
Post 06/26/2022 16:48     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Blame religion-

A partnership between Calvin University and Calvin Theological Seminary, the Calvin Prison Initiative (CPI) is a unique program that provides a Christian liberal arts education to inmates at the Richard A. Handlon Correctional Facility in Ionia, MI. This five-year program results in a bachelor of arts degree from Calvin University in Faith and Community Leadership.


Who cares what it's in, a bachelor's is a bachelor's for most entry-level professional jobs. I'm sure a lot of their full time students would choose the same program/degree if the college told them it was free of charge.


The right-wing is correct. Higher education is an indoctrination factory.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2022 15:34     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:If you read the article you linked you would know that its 60% pell grants (low-income) and the rest are private donations.

They are serving their time. What else do you want from them? Its obviously not enough that these prisoners have decided to educate themselves or in the words of one of the graduates ""It's just another opportunity for me to learn," he said. "The more I learn, the better it makes me as a person."

These are the good things in the world we can and should do. Do I roll my eyes at the ministry part- yes, but I also know that recidivism is hard and that people are capable of turning their lives around.


X10000
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2022 15:32     Subject: Re:Isn't this unfair? Prisoners getting free bachelor's degrees from a private college
Anonymous wrote:Blame religion-

A partnership between Calvin University and Calvin Theological Seminary, the Calvin Prison Initiative (CPI) is a unique program that provides a Christian liberal arts education to inmates at the Richard A. Handlon Correctional Facility in Ionia, MI. This five-year program results in a bachelor of arts degree from Calvin University in Faith and Community Leadership.


Who cares what it's in, a bachelor's is a bachelor's for most entry-level professional jobs. I'm sure a lot of their full time students would choose the same program/degree if the college told them it was free of charge.