Anonymous
07/14/2022 08:56
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It isn't actually about hearing what you want to hear and affirming whatever makes you feel good, though. There are plenty of Jewish people who do believe this kind of thing, but these are ideas that don't come from Jewish thought and in many cases run really contrary to it.
Jewish thought is a loaded concept. The Torah indicates patrilineal descent, rather than matrilineal. Ethiopian Jews practice patrilineal, Indian Jews, Karite, etc., until crack-down by ultra-orthodox authorities in state of Israel. Modern orthodox or non-haredi orthodoxy traditionally practiced giyur katan very liberally until be threatened with loss of credentials by Israeli rabbinate. The reality is that many Jews worldwide are living fully Jewish lives in Israel and globally without converting. Conversion in the Torah and even in the Talmud was not difficult. With the haredization of Judaism post-Shoah, this had lead to a lot of prejudice, abuse/exploitation of converts/conversion process, which itself is a perversion of “Jewish thought” and practice. Conversion only matters for purposes of marriage and burial with certain streams of Judaism. If you don’t care, the vast majority of Jews don’t care. Are there sincere believers and/or bigots like PP who cast aspersions on your Judaism? Sure, but you don’t need their good opinion to be a good Jew. Moreover, you are free to cast aspersions on their Judaism and Jewish practice.
+100
Anonymous
07/14/2022 08:55
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:It isn't actually about hearing what you want to hear and affirming whatever makes you feel good, though. There are plenty of Jewish people who do believe this kind of thing, but these are ideas that don't come from Jewish thought and in many cases run really contrary to it.
Nobody made you the end authority on Jewish thought, you hateful poster.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 08:22
Subject: Re:Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are congregations of Jewish Christians. I think they’re called Messianic Jews, but I’m not sure. I really don’t know much about their churches, but it might be an option for you.
No such thing as a Jewish Christian that is absurd.
Jesus?
Jesus was Christ
A Christian is someone who believes in Christ
Buddha could not have been a Buddhist because he was Buddha
There are atheist Jews, but I do not think you can convert and become an atheist Jew
Anonymous
07/14/2022 05:53
Subject: Re:Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are congregations of Jewish Christians. I think they’re called Messianic Jews, but I’m not sure. I really don’t know much about their churches, but it might be an option for you.
No such thing as a Jewish Christian that is absurd.
Jesus?
Anonymous
07/14/2022 05:35
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:It isn't actually about hearing what you want to hear and affirming whatever makes you feel good, though. There are plenty of Jewish people who do believe this kind of thing, but these are ideas that don't come from Jewish thought and in many cases run really contrary to it.
Jewish thought is a loaded concept. The Torah indicates patrilineal descent, rather than matrilineal. Ethiopian Jews practice patrilineal, Indian Jews, Karite, etc., until crack-down by ultra-orthodox authorities in state of Israel. Modern orthodox or non-haredi orthodoxy traditionally practiced giyur katan very liberally until be threatened with loss of credentials by Israeli rabbinate. The reality is that many Jews worldwide are living fully Jewish lives in Israel and globally without converting. Conversion in the Torah and even in the Talmud was not difficult. With the haredization of Judaism post-Shoah, this had lead to a lot of prejudice, abuse/exploitation of converts/conversion process, which itself is a perversion of “Jewish thought” and practice. Conversion only matters for purposes of marriage and burial with certain streams of Judaism. If you don’t care, the vast majority of Jews don’t care. Are there sincere believers and/or bigots like PP who cast aspersions on your Judaism? Sure, but you don’t need their good opinion to be a good Jew. Moreover, you are free to cast aspersions on their Judaism and Jewish practice.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 23:03
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Jews for Jesus
Anonymous
07/13/2022 13:22
Subject: Jewish curious ….
It isn't actually about hearing what you want to hear and affirming whatever makes you feel good, though. There are plenty of Jewish people who do believe this kind of thing, but these are ideas that don't come from Jewish thought and in many cases run really contrary to it.
Anonymous
07/10/2022 23:34
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I did not convert but I happily raise my kids Jewish for my observant Jewish husband. I have no religious affiliation (raised Methodist).
How can your kids be Jewish if you are not? Have you heard of the halacha
I would be more impressed if you were not so submissive
DP. Patrilineal Jews are considered Jewish by the Reform movement as long as they are raised Jewish.
Same with most Conservative Jews.
But the Conservative movement doesn't officially recognize it that way.
I don’t really care. I’m a Jewish woman who is Jewish due to my father being Jewish. I spoke directly with my rabbi about this and she said she considers me just as Jewish as my husband whose mother is Jewish.
That’s all I needed to hear.
Anonymous
07/10/2022 10:30
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Raised Catholic. Grew up in a Jewish area so I’m somewhat familiar with the faith.
If I was interested in learning more and possibly joining the Jewish faith, where would I go? I live in Montgomery County.
This thread is ridiculous.
OP yeas plenty of learning available.
Reform will be the most accepting.
Orthodox is a cult just like any other overly religious group. Ask me how I know?
If that is what you are looking for check out some Chabad.
Anonymous
07/10/2022 10:27
Subject: Re:Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:There are congregations of Jewish Christians. I think they’re called Messianic Jews, but I’m not sure. I really don’t know much about their churches, but it might be an option for you.
No such thing as a Jewish Christian that is absurd.
Anonymous
07/10/2022 10:16
Subject: Re:Jewish curious ….
Also I recognize that poster. She comes into every thread on Judaism to tell people that they aren’t really Jewish or doing it right. Or maybe there’s more than one or two bitter harpies here.
Anonymous
07/10/2022 10:15
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I did not convert but I happily raise my kids Jewish for my observant Jewish husband. I have no religious affiliation (raised Methodist).
How can your kids be Jewish if you are not? Have you heard of the halacha
I would be more impressed if you were not so submissive
DP. Patrilineal Jews are considered Jewish by the Reform movement as long as they are raised Jewish.
+1 pp is arguing in bad faith if he or she doesn’t know this. And just because she doesn’t consider them Jewish doesn’t mean others don’t.
Or, pp is not Reform.
Even if PP is not reform and does not consider Jewish people of patrilineal lineage Jewish, surely he or she must have a smattering of knowledge of different branches of Judaism to see why others would. He or she is lashing out and just taking cheap shots at others.
But perhaps OP needs to know that your message of universal acceptance isn’t quite accurate, either.
Those of Reform Judaism are well aware some others don’t accept their Judaism. However that poster wasn’t nicely educating, she basically snapped back a barb being rude to someone raising her child Jewish. She can save the snark. Mean and bitter is mean and bitter.
Anonymous
07/10/2022 08:43
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I did not convert but I happily raise my kids Jewish for my observant Jewish husband. I have no religious affiliation (raised Methodist).
How can your kids be Jewish if you are not? Have you heard of the halacha
I would be more impressed if you were not so submissive
DP. Patrilineal Jews are considered Jewish by the Reform movement as long as they are raised Jewish.
Same with most Conservative Jews.
But the Conservative movement doesn't officially recognize it that way.
Anonymous
07/08/2022 18:49
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And you cannot share history. Doesn’t work like that.
Why are you so set on this? So immigrants to the US - American history doesn’t belong to them? Tell that to the thousands of immigrants who have fought and died for this country. Oh, but they’re not “ethnically” American, so it doesn’t count!
Also- Being of Ashkenazi descent is not the only way to be Jewish, “ethnically”’or otherwise. Tell that to those of Sephardic descent, Mitzrahi descent, as well as those who are descended from people who converted many generations ago (and are not white / Ashkenazi). But that’s ok, keep harping on white “ethnic Jews.” Omg, I hope you do not belong to my temple, but I’m sure there are your kind there.
I think the poster meant Ashkenazi have identifiable genes or markers that maybe the Sephardi and Mizrahi don't.
I’m that PP. I never said Ashkenazi is the only way to be Jewish. I know Ashkenazim have distinct genetic markers. Sephardim and Mizrahim might also. My overall point is that the vast majority of Jews are ethnically Jewish. They might or might not practice the religion.
Anonymous
07/08/2022 18:47
Subject: Jewish curious ….
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I did not convert but I happily raise my kids Jewish for my observant Jewish husband. I have no religious affiliation (raised Methodist).
How can your kids be Jewish if you are not? Have you heard of the halacha
I would be more impressed if you were not so submissive
DP. Patrilineal Jews are considered Jewish by the Reform movement as long as they are raised Jewish.
Same with most Conservative Jews.